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Title: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nick on February 12, 2020, 19:50:35 PM
I see a new release is upcoming next month with the below bonus disc. Looks quite tasty..TSOR is already up on Spotify/Amazon etc.

1. Beneath, Between & Behind (Live in Manchester) 
2. By-Tor & The Snow Dog (Live in London)
3. Xanadu (Live in London)
4. The Spirit Of Radio (Live in Manchester) 
5. Natural Science (Live in Manchester) 
6. A Passage to Bangkok (Live in Manchester)
7. The Trees (Live in Manchester)
8. Cygnus X-1 (Live in London) 
9. Cygnus X-1 Book II (Live in London)
10. Closer To The Heart (Live in Manchester)
11. Jacob's Ladder (Live in Missouri) 
12. Freewill (Live in London)
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: pxr5 on February 12, 2020, 20:34:02 PM
I was at one of the Permanent Waves nights at the Manchester Apollo in 1980 - might hear myself cheering lol
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on February 13, 2020, 01:20:43 AM
Another recreated cover...

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81aNCOfJn2L._SS500_.jpg)

You can now assemble a complete live setlist for the PW tour, if you buy 3 different CDs!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bez on February 13, 2020, 08:27:16 AM
Agree that it looks good and I have to admit to being surprised that they haven't used the kiel Auditorium radio broadcast as the bonus material.

Just a bit underwhelmed that if they have this much audio sitting in a vault somewhere that they can't stretch to a full setlist over 2 discs... :-\

Will there be a 5.1 version? I'd pay for that!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on February 13, 2020, 09:21:13 AM
Quote from: Bez on February 13, 2020, 08:27:16 AMAgree that it looks good and I have to admit to being surprised that they haven't used the kiel Auditorium radio broadcast as the bonus material.

Just a bit underwhelmed that if they have this much audio sitting in a vault somewhere that they can't stretch to a full setlist over 2 discs... :-\
That's my view too. I've already got a ver nice double vinyl of Kiel so I'm not interested in that. I'm not really into all this re-packaged stuff tbh but I saw a mate's Hemispheres 40th anniversary vinyl package the other day and it's quite nice. They changed the artwork inside the gatefold so it does not contain the lyrics. I didn't see a lyric sheet. Massive oversight if there isn't one.
Wouldn't pay full price for any of this though.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: captainkurtz on February 13, 2020, 10:38:07 AM
Lifeson has commented that the master tapes have deteriorated to such a state they are unusable, so no 5.1.  Or something like that, anyway.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nick on February 13, 2020, 11:50:26 AM
I think he said the masters were at Trident studios in London who went bust and the tapes were lost. Shame as NS and JL in 5.1 would have been amazing.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: captainkurtz on February 13, 2020, 14:04:05 PM
It's astonishing to me that something so valuable can just go missing...
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Slim on February 13, 2020, 14:05:40 PM
Interesting, that is a shame. Which means that there's no pristine quality remaster of the studio work then presumably, and I probably won't be shelling out. I like the cover. I wish they'd put as much care into the Hemispheres reissue as they have into the artwork of this one.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: 26thApril on February 17, 2020, 21:14:37 PM
Should have been the full Glasgow gigs........

As regards the master tapes I have the Mobile Fidelity CD from 2007 which was remastered or mastered again if you like....also I think it suggests this is the 2015 download version which I didn't get at the time-so not sure what the source for that was.....
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thenop on March 26, 2020, 17:33:32 PM
Release pushed out to the 29th of May..
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nick on March 31, 2020, 18:45:10 PM
Natural Science is up on spotify etc
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: The Letter R on April 01, 2020, 17:03:52 PM
May edition of Classic Rock has PW on the cover plus an article on the making of the album.
My copy also came with a Starman Sticker but not sure if that is a subscription only extra .....
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: captainkurtz on April 02, 2020, 18:06:50 PM
Quote from: The Letter R on April 01, 2020, 17:03:52 PMMay edition of Classic Rock has PW on the cover plus an article on the making of the album.
My copy also came with a Starman Sticker but not sure if that is a subscription only extra .....
Picked it up from Sainsburys....Sticker included....didn't find the article particularly illuminating or interesting, tbh...
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Stewart on May 22, 2020, 15:00:55 PM
I think release has been pushed even more, Amazon now saying "Pending release date" :(

Shall email Pegi to ask.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on May 22, 2020, 15:02:40 PM
Quote from: captainkurtz on April 02, 2020, 18:06:50 PMPicked it up from Sainsburys....Sticker included....didn't find the article particularly illuminating or interesting, tbh...
Luckily I was given it by a mate who had bought it. Same old photos and nothing new, at least, to most who frequent this site.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on May 22, 2020, 15:07:42 PM
This album anniversary racket is turning into a staple part of the revenue stream for record labels, isn't it?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on May 29, 2020, 17:53:20 PM
listening on Google Play as we speak.

What a band this lot used to be! Making me feel very nostalgic for that era again.

And the bass tone/sound!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on May 30, 2020, 01:36:47 AM
Just listened on Qobuz, great stuff. Sounds so much better thas ESL.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on May 30, 2020, 10:26:48 AM
Quote from: DavidL on May 30, 2020, 01:36:47 AMJust listened on Qobuz, great stuff. Sounds so much better thas ESL.
Just not possible mate!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on May 30, 2020, 10:28:10 AM
Quote from: Jonners on May 29, 2020, 17:53:20 PMlistening on Google Play as we speak.

What a band this lot used to be! Making me feel very nostalgic for that era again.

And the bass tone/sound!
Steady on mate, you're tarnishing your reputation by saying something positive about them 😉.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on May 30, 2020, 11:18:24 AM
Quote from: zoony on May 30, 2020, 10:26:48 AMJust not possible mate!
Get yourself to the doctor's and have your lug holes syringed! 😉
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on May 30, 2020, 15:12:04 PM
Quote from: DavidL on May 30, 2020, 11:18:24 AMGet yourself to the doctor's and have your lug holes syringed! 😉
I have on several occasions mate! Apparently I'm a prolific earwax producer.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on May 31, 2020, 11:27:24 AM
Gave the live disc a spin last night.
I'd never heard a recording of The Trees from that tour so I found it the most interesting, with the precursor to Broon's Bane intro, as well as the riff at the end which was clearly put in the bank and withdrawn during the writing of The Camera Eye :)

I prefer the versions of The Voyage and Hemispheres from previous tours when they were played in their entirety.  Maybe one day a live version of the complete Cygnus story will be formally released?  :(
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bisto on May 31, 2020, 11:47:46 AM
Quote from: Thailand Express on May 31, 2020, 11:27:24 AMGave the live disc a spin last night.
I'd never heard a recording of The Trees from that tour so I found it the most interesting, with the precursor to Broon's Bane intro, as well as the riff at the end which was clearly put in the bank and withdrawn during the writing of The Camera Eye :)

I prefer the versions of The Voyage and Hemispheres from previous tours when they were played in their entirety.  Maybe one day a live version of the complete Cygnus story will be formally released?  :(

I have the "Cygnus X story" boot, which is great (imho) but apparently the one to have is; "A Desert Passage"
Does anybody here have a copy to confirm this?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on May 31, 2020, 11:55:54 AM
Quote from: Bisto on May 31, 2020, 11:47:46 AMI have the "Cygnus X story" boot, which is great (imho) but apparently the one to have is; "A Desert Passage"
Does anybody here have a copy to confirm this?
That's the one from Tucson? If so I can confirm, it's a classic recording, soundboard quality.  The events around the show with the stage threatening to collapse give it an added edge. They're all now available on certain popular video streaming sites anyway ;)
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bisto on May 31, 2020, 14:30:47 PM
Quote from: Thailand Express on May 31, 2020, 11:55:54 AMThat's the one from Tucson? If so I can confirm, it's a classic recording, soundboard quality.  The events around the show with the stage threatening to collapse give it an added edge. They're all now available on certain popular video streaming sites anyway ;)
Yes, they're both from Tucson...there are others from the same show too, and many other from the same tour, but not as good (in terms of audio quality) as; "The Desert Passage" ... apparently.

Wouldn't mind owing a copy if anyone knows of a legit supplier they could point me towards please?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bez on May 31, 2020, 15:04:46 PM
Quote from: Bisto on May 31, 2020, 14:30:47 PMYes, they're both from Tucson...there are others from the same show too, and many other from the same tour, but not as good (in terms of audio quality) as; "The Desert Passage" ... apparently.

Wouldn't mind owing a copy if anyone knows of a legit supplier they could point me towards please?
There are no "legit" copies, mate. The old "silver" pressed versions were the closest that you'll come to and reading up you already have one of those in "Cygnus X Story"

With popular shows like the Tuscon one you'll find multiple versions, all with different names, many of which claim to be sourced from the lowest generation tape or have the best remaster / speed correction etc....

Here's the list form the DRE (now defunkt Digitalrushexperience.com listing datbase. There are still plenty of reviews and opinions on there) of the Tuscon show. If there's a particular version thatv you're interested in let me know and I'll see if I can dig up a copy for you...:

A Desert Passage (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=963)
Cygnus X Story (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=983)
La Villa Stransoundboard (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=1569)
"Storm" Over Tucson" Remaster (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=964)
Cygnus - Gold Edition (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=984)
Brainwaves (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=1540)
First Time In Tucson (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=1817)
A Desert Passage - Platinum Edition (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=31)
Cygnus (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=965)
Black Hole Of "Cygnus X-1" (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=969)
Every Soul A Battlefield (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=982)
A Single Perfect Sphere V1.1

 (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=1648)
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on May 31, 2020, 15:15:45 PM
Never understood why they culled 2112 from that gig for the Hemispheres 40th edition but didn't use the complete version of Cygnus X1 Book II.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bez on May 31, 2020, 16:27:29 PM
Quote from: Nick on February 12, 2020, 19:50:35 PMI see a new release is upcoming next month with the below bonus disc. Looks quite tasty..TSOR is already up on Spotify/Amazon etc.

1. Beneath, Between & Behind (Live in Manchester)
2. By-Tor & The Snow Dog (Live in London)
3. Xanadu (Live in London)
4. The Spirit Of Radio (Live in Manchester)
5. Natural Science (Live in Manchester)
6. A Passage to Bangkok (Live in Manchester)
7. The Trees (Live in Manchester)
8. Cygnus X-1 (Live in London)
9. Cygnus X-1 Book II (Live in London)
10. Closer To The Heart (Live in Manchester)
11. Jacob's Ladder (Live in Missouri)
12. Freewill (Live in London)
Playing the live disc for the first time and APtB has been dropped from the final release.

Sounds pretty nice, for the most part, but it's still a missed opportunity not to have released the full PeW setlist across 2 discs...
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on May 31, 2020, 17:15:12 PM
Quote from: Bez on May 31, 2020, 16:27:29 PMPlaying the live disc for the first time and APtB has been dropped from the final release.

Sounds pretty nice, for the most part, but it's still a missed opportunity not to have released the full PeW setlist across 2 discs...
It's on the vinyl and download versions.
Presumably wouldn't fit on a single CD.

Agree it's a missed opportunity, it was a great setlist. Hopefully amends are made for the MP/ESL anniversary, that tour was probably the best set they ever put together.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on May 31, 2020, 19:28:19 PM
Well I've listened to quite a few of the live versions on YouTube, and they're nothing special in my opinion. Certainly not as good as good as E...SL or Pink pop if I had to choose.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bisto on May 31, 2020, 21:08:19 PM
Quote from: Bez on May 31, 2020, 15:04:46 PMThere are no "legit" copies, mate. The old "silver" pressed versions were the closest that you'll come to and reading up you already have one of those in "Cygnus X Story"

With popular shows like the Tuscon one you'll find multiple versions, all with different names, many of which claim to be sourced from the lowest generation tape or have the best remaster / speed correction etc....

Here's the list form the DRE (now defunkt Digitalrushexperience.com listing datbase. There are still plenty of reviews and opinions on there) of the Tuscon show. If there's a particular version thatv you're interested in let me know and I'll see if I can dig up a copy for you...:

A Desert Passage (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=963)
Cygnus X Story (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=983)
La Villa Stransoundboard (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=1569)
"Storm" Over Tucson" Remaster (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=964)
Cygnus - Gold Edition (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=984)
Brainwaves (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=1540)
First Time In Tucson (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=1817)
A Desert Passage - Platinum Edition (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=31)
Cygnus (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=965)
Black Hole Of "Cygnus X-1" (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=969)
Every Soul A Battlefield (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=982)
A Single Perfect Sphere V1.1

 (https://digitalrushexperience.com/database/review.php?RecordingID=1648)

Thanks mate, much appreciated (as always) will pm you
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 01, 2020, 12:26:11 PM
Quote from: zoony on May 31, 2020, 19:28:19 PMWell I've listened to quite a few of the live versions on YouTube, and they're nothing special in my opinion. Certainly not as good as good as E...SL or Pink pop if I had to choose.
Different setlist to ESL, but the quality and production is miles ahead, simply miles.

Its very live as well, with a few glitches and bum notes, Geddy does a wonderful off the cuff "yea" at about 1m30s on the first track as well
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 01, 2020, 13:02:56 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 01, 2020, 12:26:11 PMDifferent setlist to ESL, but the quality and production is miles ahead, simply miles.


No it isn't!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on June 01, 2020, 13:23:32 PM
Quote from: zoony on May 31, 2020, 19:28:19 PMWell I've listened to quite a few of the live versions on YouTube, and they're nothing special in my opinion. Certainly not as good as good as E...SL or Pink pop if I had to choose.
You're not going to get any idea of sound quality from a YouTube clip, tbh
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 01, 2020, 14:00:03 PM
Quote from: zoony on June 01, 2020, 13:02:56 PMNo it isn't!
Do you have a different copy of ESL to the rest of the world?

How can you even compare the sound production on the two releases?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bisto on June 01, 2020, 14:34:27 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 01, 2020, 14:00:03 PMDo you have a different copy of ESL to the rest of the world?

How can you even compare the sound production on the two releases?
No he's just got a different perspective*...could be just making a tongue-in-cheek comment of course

* Much like we both have with other albums compared to a lot of folk here
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 01, 2020, 15:35:37 PM
Quote from: Bisto on June 01, 2020, 14:34:27 PMNo he's just got a different perspective*...could be just making a tongue-in-cheek comment of course

* Much like we both have with other albums compared to a lot of folk here
Fair point about perspectives, but I question whether the big feller has his stereo set up quite right if ESL sounds better than the 40th release
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bez on June 01, 2020, 16:47:09 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 01, 2020, 15:35:37 PMFair point about perspectives, but I question whether the big feller has his stereo set up quite right if ESL sounds better than the 40th release
It'll depend on loads of factors....what type of platform Zoony is listening from, what your ears are used to will have a huge impact as well.

I really like ESL, could it be better, probably, but that doesn't stop it from being a fine piece of work..
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on June 01, 2020, 16:58:42 PM
Quote from: Bez on June 01, 2020, 16:47:09 PMIt'll depend on loads of factors....what type of platform Zoony is listening from, what your ears are used to will have a huge impact as well.

I really like ESL, could it be better, probably definitely, but that doesn't stop it from being a fine piece of work..
Fixed  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 01, 2020, 19:27:42 PM
Quote from: Bez on June 01, 2020, 16:47:09 PMIt'll depend on loads of factors....what type of platform Zoony is listening from, what your ears are used to will have a huge impact as well.

I really like ESL, could it be better, probably, but that doesn't stop it from being a fine piece of work..
Its a really good live album, there is no doubt, but it could have been spoken of in the same phrases as Live and Dangerous, Unleashed in the East (studio), Live after Death etc if it hadnt been mixed in a vat of custard
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nick on June 01, 2020, 21:05:18 PM
Has ESL ever had the remix (or whatever they do)?

Great album but I wonder if Steven Wilson could recover it from the sludge production.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 10:31:47 AM
Quote from: Nick on June 01, 2020, 21:05:18 PMHas ESL ever had the remix (or whatever they do)?

Great album but I wonder if Steven Wilson could recover it from the sludge production.
Not sure I want him touching anything again after hearing his Home shopping travesty
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 02, 2020, 11:21:57 AM
Quote from: Jonners on June 01, 2020, 14:00:03 PMDo you have a different copy of ESL to the rest of the world?

How can you even compare the sound production on the two releases?
It seems to me that I obviously have never had as good a sound system, or pay as much attention to production and sound quality as a lot of you guys on here. When I first bought E...SL on vinyl back in 82, I had a little old Binatone record player. Over the years, I never had a different record player, and have only ever played any of my music on cassette on car stereos, and then "normal' CD players, and in car CD players. Now you all know I much I worship E...SL, in my opinion the best album of all time, and yes, I will agree that it doesn't sound as "live" as most other live albums, but I've never had a problem with that, or the sound quality of it. In fact, I have never heard better live versions of Xanadu or LVS than the ones on E...SL, even though I accept that a lot of you will have listened to many more different versions than me. So there you go, that's where I stand on this issue, and I'm very happy and contented about it 🙂.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: captainkurtz on June 02, 2020, 11:46:44 AM
A lot of love for these records really hinges on where we were in our respective lives when we heard and bought them.  That goes a long way towards why i love Hemispheres/MP/Signals so much - because they REALLY take me back to '78, '81 and '82.

That and the fact that they have the best songs....😀
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 02, 2020, 11:57:10 AM
Quote from: captainkurtz on June 02, 2020, 11:46:44 AMA lot of love for these records really hinges on where we were in our respective lives when we heard and bought them.  That goes a long way towards why i love Hemispheres/MP/Signals so much - because they REALLY take me back to '78, '81 and '82.

That and the fact that they have the best songs....😀
Yes mate, back in those days we never had the responsibilities that most of us have nowadays, and music was a lot higher up the list of priorities.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 12:23:13 PM
Agreed.

And I think you are absolutely right, the versions of LVS and Xanadu are absolutely oustanding, the best I have heard definitely although I do have a soft spot for the R30 version.
I do also love the LVS on the SHow of hands DVD, there is something about the breakdown bit in the middle when Alex is soloing and the sound builds and builds with the synths that I always find mesmerising. seems to fit well with that rather bright/tinny sound that he had back then.

Unlike Many on here, I discoverd Rush Backwards, so I found MP one day, then went to the record Library and the guy behind the counter then let me borrow ESL, then PeW and work my way backwards, as he thought as a 11 year old I might struggle jumping straight to Caress!

What a journey, and I can't imagine ever having that with a band ever again.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 02, 2020, 12:37:18 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 12:23:13 PMUnlike Many on here, I discoverd Rush Backwards, so I found MP one day, then went to the record Library and the guy behind the counter then let me borrow ESL, then PeW and work my way backwards, as he thought as a 11 year old I might struggle jumping straight to Caress!

What a journey, and I can't imagine ever having that with a band ever again.
We are very similar in that respect then mate. E...SL was the first RUSH album that I bought back in 82, and within a few weeks it had got such a hold of me, that I just knew that this was MY band, and within a couple of months, I'd got the back catalogue of all their previous albums. And I categorically know that NO band or artist will ever have that impact on me again.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thenop on June 02, 2020, 17:06:14 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 12:23:13 PMAgreed.

And I think you are absolutely right, the versions of LVS and Xanadu are absolutely oustanding, the best I have heard definitely although I do have a soft spot for the R30 version.
I do also love the LVS on the SHow of hands DVD, there is something about the breakdown bit in the middle when Alex is soloing and the sound builds and builds with the synths that I always find mesmerising. seems to fit well with that rather bright/tinny sound that he had back then.

Unlike Many on here, I discoverd Rush Backwards, so I found MP one day, then went to the record Library and the guy behind the counter then let me borrow ESL, then PeW and work my way backwards, as he thought as a 11 year old I might struggle jumping straight to Caress!

What a journey, and I can't imagine ever having that with a band ever again.
Also has a lot to do with the fact you are not 11 anymore. I had the same with various bands including Kiss, Maiden and yes, Rush. I had an album that included the AtWaS versions of FBN & Working Man. Also an album that had the Analog Kid. Til this day AtWaS is one of my favorite live albums of all time due to this and tAG one of my 'special' songs. 

On topic: I think the show(s)  sound outstanding and am very happy to have this. Also really looking forward to the MP anniversary editions!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 02, 2020, 18:29:26 PM
Quote from: Thenop on June 02, 2020, 17:06:14 PMAlso really looking forward to the MP anniversary editions!
Thinking ahead to 2025 and the 40th anniversary of Power Windows. I was listening to a video on YouTube a few months ago that had early recorded versions of the tracks on that album that were very different to the final versions. I wonder if they'd release those as part of the package?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nick on June 02, 2020, 18:33:45 PM
Yes that sounded very interesting
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 20:41:07 PM
I am already sweating in anticipation of Signals 40 and GUP 40.

PW could send me over the edge!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 02, 2020, 21:31:09 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 20:41:07 PMI am already sweating in anticipation of Signals 40 and GUP 40.

PW could send me over the edge!
3 great albums, but I wouldn't describe any of them as being amongst the bands heaviest. As most of the other bands that you like are what I would describe as really heavy, I was interested as to what your reasons are for liking the RUSH albums that you've mentioned so much?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 21:47:47 PM
Quote from: zoony on June 02, 2020, 21:31:09 PM3 great albums, but I wouldn't describe any of them as being amongst the bands heaviest. As most of the other bands that you like are what I would describe as really heavy, I was interested as to what your reasons are for liking the RUSH albums that you've mentioned so much?
weird isn't it.

heavy isnt always good chez Miller. my first real bands that I loved were The Police and Tubeway Army. I see massive synergies between those bands and that 1980-88 Rush era.

I think what Peart said in BTLS is nearly true for me, the Band only really arrived at Moving Pictures, though I would take him back one more album myself.PeW is class.

I think that stretch of 6 records from PeW to HYF is as good as it gets. Musicality, technical excellence, tunes, hooks, groove, some outstanding lyrics, Geddys voice had mellowed, great production, strong imagery both on and off the covers.

I could go on! so I will. 

while that stretch of 2112, F2K and Hem is arguably stronger, I dont think it has aged too well for me, and it's well documented that I think Hemispheres is rescued by side 2. 

really are a band of 4 distinct eras for me, and 3 and 4 really dont work for me anymore, and in some cases never have
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bisto on June 02, 2020, 22:09:59 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 21:47:47 PM(Rush) really are a band of 4 distinct eras for me, and 3 and 4 really dont work for me anymore, and in some cases never have.
Another post of yours I find myself nodding in agreement with, although I'm a little curious
as to where 3 starts and finishes for you?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: pdw1 on June 02, 2020, 22:44:53 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 20:41:07 PMI am already sweating in anticipation of Signals 40 and GUP 40.

PW could send me over the edge!
What I find strange is that the management have let all the radio show recordings (that many of us have as ROIOs) fall out of copyright so that some shady record company can release ropey copies rather than giving them a nice official release. They seem to have gone for squeezing every other dollar possible from the fans.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Matt2112 on June 02, 2020, 23:44:58 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 21:47:47 PMI think that stretch of 6 records from PeW to HYF is as good as it gets. Musicality, technical excellence, tunes, hooks, groove, some outstanding lyrics, Geddys voice had mellowed, great production, strong imagery both on and off the covers.
A zillion likes.

Though, you may part with me here, when Clockwork Angels came out I thought it was the best album  they'd done since HYF.  Still do, in fact, and for me there isn't a duffer on it; cracking songs and riffs, loads of melody and hooks, inspired performances, lots of little unique subtleties you only get with Rush, power, precision, fire, grace, beauty...it's got the lot!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 03, 2020, 00:03:24 AM
Quote from: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 21:47:47 PMweird isn't it.

heavy isnt always good chez Miller. my first real bands that I loved were The Police and Tubeway Army. I see massive synergies between those bands and that 1980-88 Rush era.

I think what Peart said in BTLS is nearly true for me, the Band only really arrived at Moving Pictures, though I would take him back one more album myself.PeW is class.

I think that stretch of 6 records from PeW to HYF is as good as it gets. Musicality, technical excellence, tunes, hooks, groove, some outstanding lyrics, Geddys voice had mellowed, great production, strong imagery both on and off the covers.

I could go on! so I will.

while that stretch of 2112, F2K and Hem is arguably stronger, I dont think it has aged too well for me, and it's well documented that I think Hemispheres is rescued by side 2.

really are a band of 4 distinct eras for me, and 3 and 4 really dont work for me anymore, and in some cases never have
Nice one. If pushed, I would say the run of 7 from AFTK through to PW is the best, with the icing on the cake, E...SL coming pretty much in the middle of all those absolute gems.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 03, 2020, 10:05:32 AM
Quote from: Matt2112 on June 02, 2020, 23:44:58 PMA zillion likes.

Though, you may part with me here, when Clockwork Angels came out I thought it was the best album  they'd done since HYF.  Still do, in fact, and for me there isn't a duffer on it; cracking songs and riffs, loads of melody and hooks, inspired performances, lots of little unique subtleties you only get with Rush, power, precision, fire, grace, beauty...it's got the lot!
CA May well have been their best album for a while, but that doesnt mean to these ears its any good of course.
No use me dredging up my thoughts on VT and Snakes yet again, but my dislike for t4e, Counterparts and RTB is so strong that I literally cant listen to them now. At all. 

I dont have any thoughts on Presto either way, its so bland and innofensive it would be like me saying I hate digestive biscuits
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 03, 2020, 10:09:51 AM
Quote from: Bisto on June 02, 2020, 22:09:59 PMAnother post of yours I find myself nodding in agreement with, although I'm a little curious
as to where 3 starts and finishes for you?
3 starts at Presto and Finishes at T4E (for me)

Presto was supposed to be the slimmed down, rockier, back to basics answer to the 80's synth stuff. But all they did was take out the synths and leave a massive gap filled with nothingness. 
And then T4E seems like a natural end, mainly due to personal circumstances and an enforced hiatus, but also because while I find it a dissapointing listen all round, it still sounded like Rush.

Then era 4 begins.........
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on June 03, 2020, 11:38:40 AM
Quote from: Jonners on June 03, 2020, 10:05:32 AMCA May well have been their best album for a while, but that doesnt mean to these ears its any good of course.

CA may well have been better than the previous two, but it wasn't great. Nowhere near a return to form. Don't think I've listened to it since the Cockwork Angles tour. I occasionally give VT a spin, purely because I still can't believe how bad it is.

QuoteI don't have any thoughts on Presto either way, its so bland and inoffensive it would be like me saying I hate digestive biscuits
Digestives* are fine when covered in chocolate. Plain chocolate. Presto sorely lacks a chocolate coating.

*McVities are nowhere near as good as they used to be.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 03, 2020, 12:05:43 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 03, 2020, 10:05:32 AMCA May well have been their best album for a while, but that doesnt mean to these ears its any good of course.
No use me dredging up my thoughts on VT and Snakes yet again, but my dislike for t4e, Counterparts and RTB is so strong that I literally cant listen to them now. At all.

I dont have any thoughts on Presto either way, its so bland and innofensive it would be like me saying I hate digestive biscuits
Now I don't dislike it, but Presto has always been my least favourite RUSH album. I do enjoy all of the 90s albums though, and in my opinion, these are the albums where Geddy's vocals are at there best.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: GlezgaRed on June 03, 2020, 14:05:59 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 02, 2020, 20:41:07 PMI am already sweating in anticipation of Signals 40 and GUP 40.

PW could send me over the edge!

Same here, really hoping what has gone before with these 40th releases is what we'll get with Signals  to Hold Your Fire.
I will happily go for the top package on all of them.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on June 04, 2020, 01:50:06 AM
Listened to the live disc again there, nice and loud with the headphones on. 
Dodgy editing aside it's tremendous stuff, the playing is phenomenal and intense. They were blazing on that tour, and to have then come up with Moving Pictures within a few months, well, what a time to be a Rush fan it must've been.
Unfortunately I was a 10 year old obsessed with Madness around then, but I can appreciate it now :)
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on June 04, 2020, 10:10:07 AM
^^^ It's also apparent how much amazing material was left off of Exit Stage Left. Could've easily been a triple album!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 04, 2020, 10:24:15 AM
Quote from: Thailand Express on June 04, 2020, 10:10:07 AM^^^ It's also apparent how much amazing material was left off of Exit Stage Left. Could've easily been a triple album!
Absolutely!

I could never fathom why songs like limelight got the heave ho.

But then again what would you leave off ESL? I know a few people arent fans of Jacobs Ladder. I cant remember, does it have a drum solo on?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on June 04, 2020, 10:47:07 AM
Quote from: Jonners on June 04, 2020, 10:24:15 AMAbsolutely!

I could never fathom why songs like limelight got the heave ho.

But then again what would you leave off ESL? I know a few people arent fans of Jacobs Ladder. I cant remember, does it have a drum solo on?
Bizarrely, the drum solo comes on side one during YYZ.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bez on June 04, 2020, 14:37:08 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 04, 2020, 10:24:15 AMAbsolutely!

I could never fathom why songs like limelight got the heave ho.

But then again what would you leave off ESL? I know a few people arent fans of Jacobs Ladder. I cant remember, does it have a drum solo on?
I've always really liked JL....
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 04, 2020, 16:29:45 PM
Me too. Think I may have to have a little ESL session, all this love for it has to be for a reason....
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bez on June 04, 2020, 16:31:00 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 04, 2020, 16:29:45 PMMe too. Think I may have to have a little ESL session, all this love for it has to be for a reason....
Don't play a version with the commentary!
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 04, 2020, 16:32:39 PM
eh? does such a thing exist?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: zoony on June 04, 2020, 18:19:57 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 04, 2020, 10:24:15 AMI could never fathom why songs like limelight got the heave ho.


RUSH are one of those bands who have the ability to make most of their live versions of songs sound very similar to the studio versions. Unfortunately, I think that Limelight has always been one of the songs that does sound a lot different live, and I don't think it would have made E...SL any better. If I could have had one more track on that album, it would have been Natural Science, and then that would have made up "The holy trinity" along with Xanadu and LVS.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on June 04, 2020, 20:23:03 PM
I've decided my disc 3 of Exit Stage Left would have Cygnus X1 Books 1 and 2 from the Permanent Waves tour on one side, then Camera Eye and Natural Science on the other side.
Truly epic 8)
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nick on June 04, 2020, 20:23:54 PM
Really enjoying this on headphones. One question though, why did they always drop the "Hymn of triumph" guitar solo at the end of By-Tor? I've always really enjoyed that segment, not even sure it exists live.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on June 04, 2020, 23:04:30 PM
Quote from: Nick on June 04, 2020, 20:23:54 PMReally enjoying this on headphones. One question though, why did they always drop the "Hymn of triumph" guitar solo at the end of By-Tor? I've always really enjoyed that segment, not even sure it exists live.

The full By-Tor experience is on ATWAS.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bez on June 04, 2020, 23:52:38 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 04, 2020, 16:32:39 PMeh? does such a thing exist?
Yep, they exist alright....It would be a rip from the video (VHS) / Laserdisc

I think that the Laserdisc has an extra track or 2...don't quote me on that, though...
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 05, 2020, 09:56:37 AM
is that the solo that comes after the really long drum roll bit?
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Bez on June 05, 2020, 12:02:26 PM
I can't remember, to be honest...
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2020, 15:38:50 PM
Quote from: Jonners on June 05, 2020, 09:56:37 AMis that the solo that comes after the really long drum roll bit?
Yes
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Jonners on June 05, 2020, 16:07:00 PM
its definitely on the ATWAS version
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2020, 18:34:38 PM
My brains shot...they dropped it when they played By_Tor on the later tours, always my favourite bit.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Thailand Express on June 05, 2020, 21:39:22 PM
Quote from: Nick on June 05, 2020, 18:34:38 PMMy brains shot...they dropped it when they played By_Tor on the later tours, always my favourite bit.

I believe the "Hymn Of Triumph" solo was last played live in Liverpool, 13th June 1977.

After that the quiet section of By-Tor was replaced with the intro to Xanadu.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on June 05, 2020, 22:05:10 PM
Quote from: Thailand Express on June 05, 2020, 21:39:22 PMI believe the "Hymn Of Triumph" solo was last played live in Liverpool, 13th June 1977.

After that the quiet section of By-Tor was replaced with the intro to Xanadu.
Bad decision IMO
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: daveogg on June 10, 2020, 22:02:21 PM
Been reminded today it's 40 years since I attended the Glasgow Apollo gigs and was part of the Glaswegian chorus on Closer To The Heart  :o
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: DavidL on June 10, 2020, 22:24:19 PM
Quote from: The Old Dog on June 10, 2020, 22:02:21 PMBeen reminded today it's 40 years since I attended the Glasgow Apollo gigs and was part of the Glaswegian chorus on Closer To The Heart  :o
You deserved a better mixing job  ;D
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: daveogg on June 11, 2020, 20:11:38 PM
Quote from: DavidL on June 10, 2020, 22:24:19 PMYou deserved a better mixing job  ;D
Have the boots from both nights which although not great ( understatement ) give a better rendition than ESL but as the lp was from mulltiple sources a normalization would have been done to make them sound the same hence why it sounded muddy .Hopefully Broon would  be allowed to work on  at least a couple of the UK shows but that depends on ole if it won't turn a profit for them nothing will happen
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Slim on June 16, 2020, 14:15:55 PM
Quote from: Thailand Express on June 05, 2020, 21:39:22 PMI believe the "Hymn Of Triumph" solo was last played live in Liverpool, 13th June 1977.

After that the quiet section of By-Tor was replaced with the intro to Xanadu.

Fantastic nerd snippet, never knew that. So I was at the antepenultimate performance, two nights earlier.
Title: Re: Permanent Waves 40th anniversary edition.
Post by: Slim on May 05, 2021, 22:53:36 PM
Quote from: Slim on February 13, 2020, 14:05:40 PMInteresting, that is a shame. Which means that there's no pristine quality remaster of the studio work then presumably, and I probably won't be shelling out. I like the cover. I wish they'd put as much care into the Hemispheres reissue as they have into the artwork of this one.

So: I'd forgotten about this, until Pete Pardo mentioned it on his YouTube channel the other day for some reason. Ordered it from Amazon (£9.99) and it arrived today; the basic 2 CD version. So I did shell out, after all.

First impressions:

The 2015 remaster of the studio album doesn't actually sound better than the '90s remaster. I think it's a little quieter, not that that's a bad thing in itself - the process of making CDs louder can be to the detriment of the fidelity of the recording, of course. But here I don't find it any more revealing. In fact if anything, the '90s remaster sounds a bit crisper to me.

The live material is a bit mixed. I've only dipped into a few tunes. The London recording of Hemispheres sounds fine, and it's a spirited performance, nice to have. The Manchester recording of Beneath, Between & Behind sounds a bit like an audience recording, a bit muddy. Like ESL. Oddly, The Trees, also from Manchester and presumably the same night, sounds great.

Really nice version of Free Will (Freewill if you insist) from London.

The booklet is nothing special, barely worth having. I like the cover art.

Was it worth £9.99? Just about.