Started by rufus the dawg, February 28, 2020, 20:23:30 pm
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Quote from: DavidL on March 26, 2020, 11:57:26 amWhilst considering hindsight:It seems obvious now that our love of winter sports has greatly exacerbated the CV-19 crisis (the Austrian resort of Ischgl has been cited as an epicentre of infection). Ski resorts are, perhaps, uniquely designed to do the virus's work. A coming together of people from all around Europe to spend time packed into cable cars and gondolas and then return whence they came, mostly using a flying test tube that helps to germinate the seeds of the disease. What could have been done?Identify all who had spent time in a European ski resort in the last three months and ensure they were tested? Would those people have voluntarily come forward, knowing the implications? Perhaps they could have been ordered to present themselves at a clinic for testing and escorted by police had they refused. Undoubtedly this approach allied to contact tracing would have helped. I believe, Ischgl exported the disease to Germany, Iceland, Norway and Denmark. As it is a popular destination for Brits, the UK can surely be added to that list too but our lack of testing means it has not been included. A criminal investigation is currently underway after suggestions that infection in the resort was covered up.https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/03/24/criminal-investigation-austria-ski-resort-hundreds-infected/Is it also time to question the wisdom of 'cheek by jowl' living in large cities? For years the government has allowed more and more people to pour into the capital city with no thought as to the consequences (majority of immigration has been to the capital). Transport is overburdened with passengers, who have no choice but to inhale the germs of others everyday. Expansion without any form of control is clearly dangerous. London, New York, Madrid etc. All these overcrowded cities will be hardest hit. Is there ever a time when the number of people living in the same space is considered a major health risk?Wake-up time for humanity.
Quote from: Bisto on March 26, 2020, 12:44:22 pmI think so too...but what do you propose we do about it when modern, Western style societies, cultures and economies aren't designed or structured to function in any other way?
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on March 26, 2020, 11:10:49 amMeanwhile, in Chesterfield, Police were called to break up a House Party last night.
Quote from: DavidL on March 26, 2020, 09:08:30 amThe government's response to lack of equipment and testing kits is woeful. Matt Hancock appears to be lying to try to reassure people whilst covering up the true situation.Nadhim Zahawi was on Newsnight last night and it was one of the worst performances by a governmemt minister I've ever seen. He could not provide any certainty on deliyery of ventilators. Same with test kits, same with PPE
Quote from: zoony on March 26, 2020, 15:27:30 pmI think they need to clarify more regarding this one period of exercise that people are allowed. Some people may go out for a long walk, or a bike ride that could take up to 3 hours. Some people who walk their dogs 3 times a day for half an hour at a time, are out there for half the time than the first group of people I mentioned.
Quote from: Slim on March 26, 2020, 15:28:01 pmPerhaps Nadhim was not actually able to provide any certainty - you can't blame the government for circumstances that no-one could have predicted or even imagined a few weeks ago. Or perhaps we should be ramping up manufacture of crystal balls, once we're done with ventilators and face masks.
Quote from: Slim on March 26, 2020, 15:23:27 pmRufus either never bothers to read the refutations to the nonsense he types, or he doesn't want to learn. But for those without their eyes closed and their metaphorical fingers jammed in their ears: rest assured, as the Health Secretary stated very clearly, indeed as I transcribed in this very thread:We have a plan, based on the expertise of world-leading scientists. Herd immunity is not a part of it. That is a scientific concept, not a goal or a strategy. Our goal is to protect life from this virus, our strategy is to protect the most vulnerable and protect the NHS through contain, delay, research and mitigate.We are working through our clear action plan. Like all our decisions, the plan is based on the bedrock of the science, with maximum transparency. We will do the right thing at the right time, based on the best available science.It must be very frustrating to keep sniping at a government that keeps winning.Meanwhile, a thought occurred to me a while ago: there's going to come a point when a substantial number of people have recovered from COVID-19, while a substantial percentage of the population still needs to be protected. Nadine Dorries sat next to Matt Hancock in the Commons on her return to work, on the basis that she is presumed immune; she couldn't infect him or be infected.But I suspect all of us are still going to be subjected to social distancing in the queue at Tesco and whatever other rules might be in effect, aren't we? Even if we've tested positive for the antibodies. Unless there's going to be some sort of immunity ID card you can apply for, but the logistics for that might be prohibitive. Also it might encourage a few people to try to contract the infection, to get it over with and continue as normal. And actually that might be very beneficial at the moment, in terms of wider society. Interesting one.
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