General Election 2019

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rufus the dawg

Quote from: Slim on December 10, 2019, 13:42:47 pmGame changer, possibly: Labour's own Shadow Health Minister admits, in (what he thought was) private, that the civil service would have to move quickly to defend national security from Corbyn in the event that he became PM.

https://order-order.com/2019/12/10/ashworth-civil-service-machine-will-move-quickly-safeguard-national-security-corbyn/

In a telephone conversation, Ashworth tries to reassure his Conservative-supporting friend that Corbyn won't be able to take power and do the damage he fears. Astonishing.

Interesting to see what Corbyn does about this - nothing, probably. Better for him not to start digging at the moment.
Isn't it interesting you are more interested in gossip and yet the CONservatives have cut 17,000 NHS beds since 2010. My mind boggles to think what fakebook pages you read and are a part off.AND now the irony... Yet you do not care that the Chinese are building UK power stations and setting up communications services and foreign owners run our utilities. All done in CONservatives name and the free market. Have sold your mother yet? How much did she get on ebay?
Bond, Rufus, Dash and Blaize.

Bisto

Quote from: rufus the dawg on December 10, 2019, 17:43:41 pmIsn't it interesting you are more interested in gossip and yet the CONservatives have cut 17,000 NHS beds since 2010. My mind boggles to think what fakebook pages you read and are a part off.AND now the irony... Yet you do not care that the Chinese are building UK power stations and setting up communications services and foreign owners run our utilities. All done in CONservatives name and the free market. Have sold your mother yet? How much did she get on ebay?
Rufus.... Do not feed the CONtroll freak
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rufus the dawg

Quote from: Bisto on December 10, 2019, 17:56:31 pmRufus.... Do not feed the CONtroll freak
I like reading his reactions, because he is often very rude and completely ruins his argument, if he had one, because of it.
Bond, Rufus, Dash and Blaize.

Nïckslïkk2112

Quote from: rufus the dawg on December 10, 2019, 17:43:41 pmIsn't it interesting you are more interested in gossip and yet the CONservatives have cut 17,000 NHS beds since 2010.
This might be of interest:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50727790
 
Quoteyou do not care that the Chinese are building UK power stations and setting up communications services and foreign owners run our utilities. All done in CONservatives name and the free market
Free Market might give a bit of a clue as to why it's happening. The only problem is the UK is the only country in the world which believed in Free Markets.

Personally I wonder if both you and James are products of the same student collective.
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zoony

I think I will have to vote Conservative, as much as to stop any of the others getting in as really wanting them to to be honest. They're the only ones who are offering a Brexit of sorts, although it isn't a proper one. Labour are just unelectable with Corbyn at the helm, and the liberals don't respect democracy. So there you go, that's my view on things.

DavidL

Quote from: zoony on December 10, 2019, 20:49:02 pmI think I will have to vote Conservative, as much as to stop any of the others getting in as really wanting them to to be honest. They're the only ones who are offering a Brexit of sorts, although it isn't a proper one. Labour are just unelectable with Corbyn at the helm, and the liberals don't respect democracy. So there you go, that's my view on things.
Pretty much sums me up too!

Bisto

POSTED ONMAY 22, 2017BY NOLAN JAZIMREG
When Brussels decided to end tax avoiding practices within its member states, Britain decided to leave the EU.

"The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country... It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

Edward L. Bernays
David Cameron wanted the Great Britain to remain in the European Union, however, his frail campaign failed because he never informed the British voters of the biggest advantage of staying, which is EU's new Anti Tax Avoidance Directive.


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To convince the British people to vote remain, Mr Cameron had to remind them that by staying in the EU, his government would have had to implement EU's Anti Tax Avoidance Directive by the year 2019, by enacting new laws and collecting taxes from everyone, including our tax-dodging billionaires.
However, throughout his political career, Mr Cameron wasn't keen on ending extreme austerity measures by collecting taxes from the wealthy elite registered in tax havens.
Every time the EU undertook momentous actions to end tax-avoidance amongst its member states, Mr Cameron responded by issuing his momentous announcements regarding the British EU referendum.
In January of 2013, Brussels produced a concrete action plan for a new EU directive that would end tax-avoiding practices amongst its member states, and within a month, Mr Cameron confirmed that he favours an EU-referendum, stating:


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"And I want us to be pushing to exempt Europe's smallest entrepreneurial companies from more EU Directives."
Within that year, Mr Cameron undertook his first push to exempt Europe's smallest entrepreneurial companies from more EU Directives, by requesting from the President of the European Council to exclude offshore trusts from the EU's new Anti Tax  Avoidance Directive.
"David Cameron intervened personally to prevent offshore trusts from being dragged into an EU-wide crackdown on tax avoidance, it has emerged. In a 2013 letter to the then president of the European council, Herman Van Rompuy, the prime minister said that trusts should not automatically be subject to the same transparency requirements as companies."


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Mr Cameron announced the date for the EU referendum soon after the exact details of the EU's Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive were revealed.
The European Commission presented its proposal for the Anti-Tax Avoidance Directive on January 28th of 2016, and within a month, Mr Cameron announced the date for the EU referendum.
Shortly afterwards, Theresa Villiers, Priti Patel, Michael Gove, Iain Duncan Smith, Chris Grayling, and John Whittingdale appeared at the Vote Leave headquarters, holding a banner with a slogan "Let's take back control". Speaking on behalf of six Tory Brexiteers, Grayling explained that they want to restore the sovereignty of the British nation.
Backed by The Sun, Daily Mail, Sunday Times, Daily Express and Telegraph, which are owned by tax-avoiding media tycoons, Tory Brexiteers managed to protect the sovereignty of our wealthy tax-dodgers from the new EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive.


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At Prime Minister's Questions, Mr Cameron defended the offshore low tax rates, claiming:
"We're happy to support blacklists but we don't think we should draw up a blacklist solely on the basis of a territory raising a low tax rate - we don't think that's the right approach."
In fact, ever since he announced his U-turn on the EU-referendum in 2013, Mr Cameron spent his time exclusively in the company of executive officials of the British pro-Brexit press, which are owned by wealthy tax-avoiding billionaires who felt threatened by the new EU Directive intended to bring an end to their tax avoiding practices.
According to Press Gazette throughout 2013, 2014 and 2015, Mr Cameron and George Osborne intensified their discussions with the pro-Brexit press.


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"Of the 23 meetings between October 2014 and September 2015, eight were with News Corporation executives, five with the BBC or BBC Trust and four with Telegraph Media Group."
As someone who campaigned to remain in the EU, one might have expected that Mr Cameron would coordinate his campaign and meet with the pro-EU press, such as the Independent, Guardian, Financial Times, etc. Instead, Mr Cameron spent most of his time in the company of the executive officials of the pro-Brexit press, as follows:
News Coorp., which controls The Times, The Sunday Times and The Sun
  • February 2015, Mr Cameron met with Robert Thomson, News Corporation chief executive, general discussion
  • July 2015 - Mr Cameron met with Robert Thomson, general discussion


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Telegraph Media Group, which controls The Daily Telegraph and The Sunday Telegraph
  • February 2013 -  Mr Cameron met with Murdoch MacLennan, Guy Black (with John Witherow and Lionel Barber), to discuss Leveson Report
  • April 2013 -  Mr Cameron met with Aidan Barclay, general discussion
  • September 2013 -  Mr Cameron met with Murdoch MacLennan (with Tony Gallagher and Ian MacGregor), general discussion
  • November 2013 -  Mr Cameron met with Sir David Barclay, Telegraph owner, dinner
  • May 2014 -  Mr Cameron met with Aidan Barclay, general discussion
  • October 2014 - Mr Cameron met with Aidan Barclay (with Fizzy Barclay), dinner
  • January 2015 -  Mr Cameron met with Aidan Barclay, general discussion
Express newspapers, which controls the Daily Star and Daily Express
  • October 2013 -  Mr Cameron met with Richard Desmond, general discussion
  • January 2015 -  Mr Cameron met with Richard Desmond, general discussion


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Daily Mail
  • October 2014 -  Mr Cameron met with Lord Rothermere (with Paul Dacre), chairman and owner of Daily Mail and General Trust, dinner
David Cameron is a classic Jekyll & Hyde example, publicly campaigning to remain in the EU and secretly spending most of his time with people who campaigned to leave the EU.
On March 25th of 2015, Members of European Parliament representing Mr Cameron's party, UKIP and DUP voted against EU's plans to crack down on corporate tax-dodging, by making companies report where they make their profits and pay taxes.
"From Britain, Conservative, UKIP, and DUP MEPs voted against the report, though many did not show up or not vote."


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Even Mr Farage's UKIP, the party who rambled on as being the only UK party to speak out for Britain's little people, in the European Parliament, instead of the people they pledged to represent, they voted to protect the vested interests of the wealthy elite, who refuse to pay their tax contributions.
Apparently, Mr Farage also tried to avoid paying his taxes through an offshore trust fund.
"The 49-year-old paid a tax adviser to create the Farage Family Educational Trust 1654 in the tax haven - which he intended to channel funds through."
Reflecting on Supreme Court's decision that the British Parliament must decide whether or not to trigger Article 50, Mr Farage revealed the crucial aspect of his Brexit campaign, stating:


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"Well, we would be half-Brexiting is my guess - is that legally we may get out of some aspects of EU membership, but if we stay in the single market, we finish up with all our businesses being regulated somewhere else and indeed a court in Luxembourg that can overrule our own Supreme Court and if that happens it will a supreme act of betrayal."
The European Court of Justice in Luxembourg is responsible for ensuring that EU directives are interpreted and applied in the same way in every member state, including EU's Anti Tax Avoidance Directive.
For comprehensive insights on the tax avoidance scam driving the UK out of the EU, please visit Nolan Jazimreg's other site:
https://isairi.com/category/brexit/



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The following link has been added on June 21, 2018, to clarify that compared to British tax havens, the new EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive will not have much impact on Luxembourg's and Malta's tax havens.
Here in an extract of the link provided:
"Of course, Brexiteers continue to argue that the President of the European Commission, Jean-Claude Juncker, attempted to block EU's clampdown on tax avoidance... However, once he became the President of the European Commission in 2013, Juncker's institution has been actively engaged in drafting new legal framework to tackle the increasing and aggressive tax avoidance... Besides, compared to the British tax havens that are mostly used by the British greedy wealthy elite, Luxembourg serves as a tax haven mostly for non-EU citizens and businesses. Therefore, the EU's new Anti Tax Avoidance Directive will not have much impact in Luxembourg or Malta, because it targets only individuals or businesses that generate profits from one of their member states."


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For more information on what Brexit reveals about the British democracy, please read the following article:
https://nolanjazimreg.wordpress.com/2018/12/30/brexits-6-ws-and-how-the-wealthy-british-elite-always-gets-what-it-wants/
Updated on on December 15, 2018:
In case you are still you are wondering about Mr Farage's ambition, here's what he had to say on the EU Anti Tax Avoidance Directive at the EU Parliament and the way he defended tax avoidance of the wealthy Brits in the UK:s
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Matt2112

December 10, 2019, 22:47:05 pm #307 Last Edit: December 10, 2019, 22:52:04 pm by Matt2112
When I vote I will take no pleasure in who I vote for, though I may take some consolation in knowing what I'm voting against.

This shouldn't be a solemn act, but inevitably it will be.  I can't share James's apparent sense of enthusiasm and optimism.  I can only share in the widespread exasperation with almost the whole wretched lot of politicians.

Regardless, I can't not vote, and we are where we are.

So; do I vote pretty much on the basis of what most benefits the day-to-day running of our household?  If I vote solely on the basis that I know working parents will definitely continue to receive 20 hours funded child care, and that is pretty much the only State benefit we'll receive, is that still selfish?

And, anyway, what distinguishes a "hand-out" from a "hand-up"?  Does Labour know the difference? Do the Tories often mistake the former for the latter?

My constituency could go either way. How I vote really will matter.

I look forward to 48 hours from now, when it's done, and I will have taken my medicine.
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Nïckslïkk2112

December 10, 2019, 22:51:51 pm #308 Last Edit: December 10, 2019, 23:02:42 pm by Nïckslïkk2112
^^^^^^^^^ (For Bisto's Post I;m not quoting that)

One BIG problem with that: THERE HAVE BEEN NO EXTREME AUSTERITY MEASURES.

Thank you.

Another little problem, is that he may well want to be a tax avoider, but Lord Rothermere was pro EU, hence why the Daily Mail was pro-Brexit to satisfy Dacre and the Mail on Sunday anti-Brexit to satisfy his Lordship.

Another little problem, tax avoidance isn't illegal. Tax evasion is.

And there are bits in here which suggest that the UK will probably still enact the EU tax avoidance Directive and was introducing its own legislation to counteract multi-national tax avoidance.

https://www.etctax.co.uk/eu-tax-avoidance-directive-dac6/
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Not enough famine
Not enough suffering
Not enough natural selection

Nïckslïkk2112

Quote from: Matt2112 on December 10, 2019, 22:47:05 pmSo; do I vote pretty much on the basis of what most benefits the day-to-day running of our household?  If I vote solely on the basis that I know working parents will definitely continue to receive 20 hours funded child care, and that is pretty much the only State benefit we'll receive, is that still selfish?
I'd vote for anyone who scrapped that.

You want kids, you fund them.
Legend in my own Mind<br /><br />

Not enough war
Not enough famine
Not enough suffering
Not enough natural selection

rufus the dawg

Quote from: zoony on December 10, 2019, 20:49:02 pmand the liberals don't respect democracy.
Why should anyone respect lies and democracy can not be based on lies.

And brexit is based on lies, lies and lies. BJ even unlawfully closed down parliament, that is not democracy. And he did not want parliament to scrutinise his deal, that is not democracy. And his deal is worse than TM's, its the one she rejected and it is one EU let us have.

And what Brexit do you want.
Less immigration, but immigration as gone up from the rest of the world.
Less trade with the EU and more trade with the rest of the world, we already trade with the rest of the world.
Don't like all the EU laws, We only voted against 2% of EU laws and they were mostly environmental.
Don't like the Single Market, then we have to join the WTO and all their laws and regulation.
Don't like the ECJ then we will have to have un-elected WTO bureaucrats.
Don't want to pay £220 million a week to the EU we have lost £550 million a week because of Brexit.
You want more sovereignty, yet we let china make our Power station and foreign countries own our utilities and we buy American fighter jets
Bond, Rufus, Dash and Blaize.

DavidL

One important question that needs to be asked: will the losers accept the result?

rufus the dawg

Quote from: DavidL on December 10, 2019, 23:55:17 pmOne important question that needs to be asked: will the losers accept the result?
BJ did not accept the 2017 result.
Bond, Rufus, Dash and Blaize.

Bez

Following on from Matt's post....

I too, am compelled to vote, even though my very being cries out to not validate any of the parties / candidates and certainly none of the leaders...

I will likely plump for the Lib Dems in a futile attempt to stop Brexit, which I still believe is the worst collective decision that the British public has ever taken... :-\
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Slim

Quote from: rufus the dawg on December 10, 2019, 23:33:11 pmWhy should anyone respect lies and democracy can not be based on lies.

And brexit is based on lies, lies and lies. BJ even unlawfully closed down parliament, that is not democracy. And he did not want parliament to scrutinise his deal, that is not democracy. And his deal is worse than TM's, its the one she rejected and it is one EU let us have.

And what Brexit do you want.

I don't know how often I'll try to educate you on this point, but I'm obviously a patient man. I'm happy to keep going.

It's the version where the United Kingdom is no longer a member of the European Union. That's it. The rest is up to the government to sort out.
Lies run sprints, but the truth runs marathons.