General Election 2019

Started by DavidL, October 30, 2019, 07:58:46 am

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DavidL

Apparently, confusion and chaos within the Labour whipping operation may have caused some Labour MPs to vote for the election by mistake! I really hope that's the case  ;D

The Letter R

Quote from: DavidL on October 30, 2019, 07:58:46 amApparently, confusion and chaos within the Labour whipping operation may have caused some Labour MPs to vote for the election by mistake! I really hope that's the case  ;D
Well the vote was won by a massive majority so there must have been a hell of a lot of confusion or Diane Abbott was directing it......

DavidL

Quote from: The Letter R on October 30, 2019, 09:13:43 amWell the vote was won by a massive majority so there must have been a hell of a lot of confusion or Diane Abbott was directing it......
Reported by BBC this morning(?)

DavidL

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rufus the dawg

Crikey david you are a glutton for punishment.....

DavidL

Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 30, 2019, 09:37:53 amCrikey david you are a glutton for punishment.....
And you may be overestimating the effectiveness of your contribution ;)

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Richard_2112

October 30, 2019, 21:26:34 pm #7 Last Edit: October 30, 2019, 22:10:49 pm by Richard_2112
I think this is going to be one of the nastiest general elections we will ever see, and the idea that it will heal the nation is a ludicrous fantasy.

Boris and Swinson will play this as a one issue election, forgetting of course that a general election is about all issues facing the nation, not just Brexit. The SNP will play heavily on remain, but also Scottish independence and Labour will play heavily to public services and working conditions. It'll be interesting to see what, if any, the Brexit party will make to the overall result. The only way of predicting that one will be if there is any whiff of an election pact with the Tories.

I'm a natural socialist, I believe pooling your resources so everyone can benefit makes for a better society so will be going into this voting Labour, but I'm not too confident they can get a majority backing from the country cause after four years the (and I think they're pretty baseless) smears against Corbyn are bound to have had an impact.

Ultimately I'm not looking at this purely because of Brexit. I think that whole situation is frankly laughable because up until 5 years ago the EU just wasn't an issue for the vast majority of this country, it was living standards directly affected by decisions made by UK governments, and all I know is for my entire adult life I have seen nothing but a shit show of right wing capitalism that has ruined the very soul of this once great country and I think my generation needs a bit of hope.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

DavidL

Quote from: Richard_2112 on October 30, 2019, 21:26:34 pmI think this is going to be one of the nastiest general elections we will ever see, and the idea that it will heal the nation is a ludicrous fantasy.

Boris and Swinson will play this as a one issue election, forgetting of course that a general election is about all issues facing the nation, not just Brexit. The SNP will play heavily on remain, but also Scottish independence and Labour will play heavily to public services and working conditions. It'll be interesting to see what, if any, the Brexit party will make to the overall result. The only way of predicting that one will be if there is any whiff of an election pact with the Tories.

I'm a natural socialist, I believe pooling your resources so everyone can benefit makes for a better society so will be going into this voting Labour, but I'm not too confident they can get a majority backing from the country cause after four years the (and I think they're pretty baseless) smears against Corbyn are bound to have had an impact.

Ultimately I'm not looking at this purely because of Brexit. I think that whole situation is frankly laughable because up until 5 years ago the EU just wasn't an issue for the vast majority of this country, it was living standards directly affected by decisions made by UK governments, and all I know is for my entire adult life I have seen nothing but a shit show of right wing capitalism that has ruined the very soul of this once great country and I think my generation needs a bit of hope.
So everyone is going to be really nasty.........except for the (anti-Semitic) Labour Party! ;D

Richard_2112

Quote from: DavidL on October 30, 2019, 22:19:55 pmSo everyone is going to be really nasty.........except for the (anti-Semitic) Labour Party! ;D
Where on earth did I say that!?

This is going to be nasty on all sides.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

DavidL

October 30, 2019, 23:12:54 pm #10 Last Edit: October 30, 2019, 23:30:28 pm by DavidL
Quote from: Richard_2112 on October 30, 2019, 22:29:10 pmWhere on earth did I say that!?

This is going to be nasty on all sides.

You suggested that Labour would avoid the über-nasty and divisive issue of Brexit but the other parties would concentrate on it (Labour concentrating on the far more worthy ( ;D ) issue of public services and worker's rights').
Unintentional subtext, perhaps.
But you are right, it will be nasty on all sides. Nothing nastier than a left-wing 'ultra' (advocating the lynching of political opponents etc.)

Richard_2112

Quote from: DavidL on October 30, 2019, 23:12:54 pmYou suggested that Labour would avoid the über-nasty and divisive issue of Brexit but the other parties would concentrate on it (Labour concentrating on the far more worthy ( ;D ) issue of public services and worker's rights').
Unintentional subtext, perhaps.
But you are right, it will be nasty on all sides. Nothing nastier than a left-wing 'ultra' (advocating the lynching of political opponents etc.)
Labour's fingers in their ears about Brexit at the 2017 election was a massive shot in the foot as far as I'm concerned, their one issue in that election was the NHS which I think cost them a little on wider appeal, but I would bet the mast they nail their colours to this time will be working rights.

As for point two; sticks and stones may break my bones but actually murdering someone for their political beliefs in the UK within the last decade is solely in the domain of the hard right, who are still the fastest growing terrorist threat to the UK. More so than the lefty liberal snowflakes... ;)
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

DavidL

Quote from: Richard_2112 on October 31, 2019, 00:42:51 amLabour's fingers in their ears about Brexit at the 2017 election was a massive shot in the foot as far as I'm concerned, their one issue in that election was the NHS which I think cost them a little on wider appeal, but I would bet the mast they nail their colours to this time will be working rights.
The reason Labour want to avoid Brexit this time around is because their policy on it is ridiculous! And I think they are barking up the wrong tree with the worker's rights issue. There is little chance of Parliament ever voting to dilute worker's rights IMO. Perhaps they are just trying to appease their union paymasters by placing it at the top of the agenda. Anyway, a party that is confident that it has the appeal to win an election will be in a position to retain or enhance those rights that already exist. That position almost admits that they think they are never going to be in a position to shape legislation in that area, a bit odd to me.
Quote from: Richard_2112 on October 31, 2019, 00:42:51 amAs for point two; sticks and stones may break my bones but actually murdering someone for their political beliefs in the UK within the last decade is solely in the domain of the hard right, who are still the fastest growing terrorist threat to the UK. More so than the lefty liberal snowflakes... ;)
My example was intentionally limited to a (senior) politician, as that was the subject (politicians) of our discussion ;)

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