We need to talk about Boris

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döm

September 25, 2019, 01:24:48 am #45 Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 01:27:51 am by döm
Quote from: zoony on September 24, 2019, 21:46:44 pmHow many times do you want telling that there were no options to vote for a deal or not! It was LEAVE or REMAIN!
And that's why the country is in such a catastrophic mess today.

Such a blunt instrument for such a complex procedure
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

DavidL

Quote from: döm on September 25, 2019, 01:24:48 amAnd that's why the country is in such a catastrophic mess today.

Such a blunt instrument for such a complex procedure
Not a procedure...a choice. Do you grapple with the complexities of how a party will enact their manifesto at a GE?

Bisto

September 25, 2019, 10:06:49 am #47 Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 10:20:50 am by Bisto
Quote from: DavidL on September 25, 2019, 08:00:11 amNot a procedure...a choice. Do you grapple with the complexities of how a party will enact their manifesto at a GE?

Don't be so naive/duplicitous, the 'vote' was only the initial part of the massively complex process of Leaving
No good deed goes unpunished!

No amount of anxiety can change the future. No amount of regret can change the past.

DavidL

Quote from: Bisto on September 25, 2019, 10:06:49 amDon't be so naive/duplicitous, the 'vote' was only the initial part of the massively complex process of Leaving
As opposed to the simple process of running a country?

rufus the dawg

Quote from: Bisto on September 25, 2019, 10:06:49 amDon't be so naive/duplicitous, the 'vote' was only the initial part of the massively complex process of Leaving
I agree. There was no plan during the referendum, any ideas Leave had were either lies or unable to be enacted. They therefore won the referendum with false pretences.

.'. The only way out of this is to get a deal (maybe TMs deal) and put it to the people; and if that deal wins the government will then negotiate a final deal and that need to go back to the people also against remain.

Leave keep going on about bringing democracy home, lets do it.

Democracy can not be based on lies.

DavidL

Quote from: rufus the dawg on September 25, 2019, 11:06:58 amI agree. There was no plan during the referendum, any ideas Leave had were either lies or unable to be enacted. They therefore won the referendum with false pretences.



Democracy can not be based on lies.
Remain lost the referendum with false pretences

rufus the dawg

Quote from: DavidL on September 25, 2019, 11:32:05 amRemain lost the referendum with false pretences
What is the bigger Lie. We had a referendum apparently about bringing democracy home and both sides lied! This shows the UK is broken.

The Lie about the referendum is that imo most people were not upset with the EU but were upset with the UK government. The Uk government have blamed the EU for UKs own failing......ie austerity

David you can not/ have not come up with a law you do not like the EU have have made. Remember we have only voted against 2% of all UK laws since 1999.

Better take this to brexit page.

Bisto

Quote from: DavidL on September 25, 2019, 11:32:05 amRemain lost the referendum with false pretences
fecksake! Really?!

'He hit me first!'..../...."you are False News"

This is what pisses me off about so many Brexiters....get  the bigger fecking picture already!
No good deed goes unpunished!

No amount of anxiety can change the future. No amount of regret can change the past.

DavidL

September 25, 2019, 12:56:25 pm #53 Last Edit: September 25, 2019, 12:59:42 pm by DavidL
Quote from: Bisto on September 25, 2019, 11:58:36 amfecksake! Really?!

'He hit me first!'..../...."you are False News"

This is what pisses me off about so many Brexiters....get  the bigger fecking picture already!
I hear a cage a rattlin'   ;D ;D

döm

From preparing "to die in a ditch" rather than stay in the EU after Oct 31st this morning he has said that he's not even prepared to resign

A major climb down incoming?
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

Bisto

Calls for inquiry into claims Johnson backers benefit from no-deal Brexit
Cabinet secretary urged to look into conflict of interest fears raised by Philip Hammond and Rachel Johnson
Michael Savage Policy editor The Guardian
Sat 28 Sep 2019 12.06 EDT

The UK's most senior civil servant is under pressure to investigate Boris Johnson's financial backers following cross-party claims that unnamed individuals stand to benefit from the prime minister's willingness to pursue a no-deal Brexit.
John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has written to the cabinet secretary, Sir Mark Sedwill, asking if there may be a conflict of interest in Johnson's acceptance of support from hedge funds that could gain from an economic shock.
Earlier on Saturday, Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, suggested Johnson was pursuing the interests of financial backers set to gain from a no-deal Brexit, in a major escalation of tensions in the prime minister's own party.

Hammond said he was repeating a comment made last week by Rachel Johnson, the prime minister's sister.
The former chancellor was accused by senior Tories of attempting a "smear" without evidence. However, Hammond was supported on Saturday by a series of MPs from across the Commons.
"Johnson is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a hard Brexit - and there is only one option that works for them: a crash-out no-deal that sends the currency tumbling and inflation soaring," Hammond wrote in the Times.
Downing Street has refused to comment on the claim.

Guto Bebb, a former Tory minister who was thrown out of the party for opposing a no-deal Brexit, said: "The dubious financiers who supported the 'leave' campaign and the prime minister's leadership campaign are betting against Britain. The PM should put the interests of the country first rather than facilitating a financial bonanza for a few."
Anna Soubry, the leader of Change UK, said: "This week's events are damning evidence that Boris Johnson has no moral compass. It gives me no pleasure to believe that Johnson is in hock to all manner of people and in particular those who don't give a toss about the livelihoods of our constituents but simply get even more rich gambling on our children's future."
However, the business minister Nadhim Zahawi said Hammond was peddling a conspiracy. "Philip you let yourself down by claiming speculators on 'no deal' are interfering in us leaving the EU," he tweeted. "This is an ugly smear that is completely untrue. If you know anything about finance or the City then you will know that."

Hammond and his team have not named any individual donors. However, hedge fund managers have backed Johnson. One of those is Crispin Odey, a fund manager who has also previously backed Vote Leave and Ukip. Over the summer, it was reported that his fund had made a £300m bet against British businesses and stood to profit from an economic slump in the UK. However, the fund also backed other British companies. Odey did not respond to a request for comment.
McDonnell said: "Given widespread concerns raised by the former chancellor Philip Hammond's comment today about Johnson's speculator sponsors profiteering from a no-deal Brexit, I am writing to Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, to seek a Cabinet Office investigation into this potential conflict of interest."
The conflict of interest code for members of the House of Commons states: "Given that service in parliament is a public trust ... members are expected ... to fulfil their public duties with honesty and uphold the highest standards so as to avoid real or apparent conflicts of interests, and maintain and enhance public confidence and trust in the integrity of each member and in the House of Commons."
No good deed goes unpunished!

No amount of anxiety can change the future. No amount of regret can change the past.

Slim

Quote from: Matt2112 on August 02, 2019, 10:40:03 amJames Cleverly's sour grapes this morning where he described the LD's "dirty back-room deals" may come back to haunt him when the backlash comes and the Tories make a pact with Farage.  Ah, so that will be alright, then, Mr Cleverly.

This hasn't aged well.

Slim

Quote from: Bisto on September 25, 2019, 10:06:49 amDon't be so naive/duplicitous, the 'vote' was only the initial part of the massively complex process of Leaving
Yes. But it was unambiguous.

Slim

Quote from: Bisto on September 29, 2019, 19:48:48 pmCalls for inquiry into claims Johnson backers benefit from no-deal Brexit
Cabinet secretary urged to look into conflict of interest fears raised by Philip Hammond and Rachel Johnson
Michael Savage Policy editor The Guardian
Sat 28 Sep 2019 12.06 EDT

The UK's most senior civil servant is under pressure to investigate Boris Johnson's financial backers following cross-party claims that unnamed individuals stand to benefit from the prime minister's willingness to pursue a no-deal Brexit.
John McDonnell, the shadow chancellor, has written to the cabinet secretary, Sir Mark Sedwill, asking if there may be a conflict of interest in Johnson's acceptance of support from hedge funds that could gain from an economic shock.
Earlier on Saturday, Philip Hammond, the former chancellor, suggested Johnson was pursuing the interests of financial backers set to gain from a no-deal Brexit, in a major escalation of tensions in the prime minister's own party.

Hammond said he was repeating a comment made last week by Rachel Johnson, the prime minister's sister.
The former chancellor was accused by senior Tories of attempting a "smear" without evidence. However, Hammond was supported on Saturday by a series of MPs from across the Commons.
"Johnson is backed by speculators who have bet billions on a hard Brexit - and there is only one option that works for them: a crash-out no-deal that sends the currency tumbling and inflation soaring," Hammond wrote in the Times.
Downing Street has refused to comment on the claim.

Guto Bebb, a former Tory minister who was thrown out of the party for opposing a no-deal Brexit, said: "The dubious financiers who supported the 'leave' campaign and the prime minister's leadership campaign are betting against Britain. The PM should put the interests of the country first rather than facilitating a financial bonanza for a few."
Anna Soubry, the leader of Change UK, said: "This week's events are damning evidence that Boris Johnson has no moral compass. It gives me no pleasure to believe that Johnson is in hock to all manner of people and in particular those who don't give a toss about the livelihoods of our constituents but simply get even more rich gambling on our children's future."
However, the business minister Nadhim Zahawi said Hammond was peddling a conspiracy. "Philip you let yourself down by claiming speculators on 'no deal' are interfering in us leaving the EU," he tweeted. "This is an ugly smear that is completely untrue. If you know anything about finance or the City then you will know that."

Hammond and his team have not named any individual donors. However, hedge fund managers have backed Johnson. One of those is Crispin Odey, a fund manager who has also previously backed Vote Leave and Ukip. Over the summer, it was reported that his fund had made a £300m bet against British businesses and stood to profit from an economic slump in the UK. However, the fund also backed other British companies. Odey did not respond to a request for comment.
McDonnell said: "Given widespread concerns raised by the former chancellor Philip Hammond's comment today about Johnson's speculator sponsors profiteering from a no-deal Brexit, I am writing to Mark Sedwill, the cabinet secretary, to seek a Cabinet Office investigation into this potential conflict of interest."
The conflict of interest code for members of the House of Commons states: "Given that service in parliament is a public trust ... members are expected ... to fulfil their public duties with honesty and uphold the highest standards so as to avoid real or apparent conflicts of interests, and maintain and enhance public confidence and trust in the integrity of each member and in the House of Commons."

Oh dear! This one aged rather badly, as well.

Matt2112

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