Started by Matt2112, September 21, 2018, 10:40:23 am
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Quote from: Matt2112 on November 09, 2018, 15:19:44 pmBloody hell...Jordan Peterson was on QT!! And placed next to Diane Abbott to boot. I'm pretty sure they do these things on purpose.
Quote from: Bisto on November 16, 2018, 21:24:49 pmPeterson is a fascinating character, I've a lot of time for him. I do wonder how much longer he can keep this breakneck pace up though? He's come such a long way in such a short span of time.
Quote from: Bez on November 16, 2018, 22:51:06 pmQT was bloody awful this week.The Tory woman was a dick, Sorotca(sp?) was a c*** talking the Corbyn line evry time he opened his mouth about an election- you had one and lost, remember? The labour guy was a dick. The Telgraph guy was a dick and the Plaid woman didn't get a word in....
Quote from: DavidL on November 16, 2018, 23:14:56 pmI agree. Clare Perry was an arse and Serwotka turned every answer to his own narrow agenda. Not very often I think the most reasonable panellist is a Labour MP!
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 16, 2018, 22:25:52 pmAbsolutely. The (in)famous half-hour interview with Channel 4's dreadful Cathy Newman is an absolute must-see. I'd never heard of him before it. I've never seen such a conceited, over-promoted broadcaster on a hatchet mission and fixated on regressive identity politics so utterly, calmly, clinically annihilated as Newman was by Peterson.He's brilliant on issues like that, but somewhat bizarrely incoherent when being an apologist for religious piety. There's plenty of stuff to peruse on Youtube (assuming there's time to spare) where he locks horns with Sam Harris and they have interesting and amicable discussions on that score.
Quote from: Slim on November 25, 2018, 11:46:19 amInterested to see the discussion about Jordan Peterson. I have a lot of time for him as well (as you might expect, since he's become a bit of a darling of the right) but I'm a bit uneasy about some of his shtick. I loved his takedown of Cathy Newman and agree with his view on the so-called gender pay gap, and on gender identity for example. He's been a breath of sane fresh air on topics where the default position seems to involve switching off your brain.Spot on on the basic stupidity in the idea of the EU and the likelihood of the whole thing falling apart."I think the European state is doomed. Because it grew too fast. There's not the proper hierarchy of identification. People are saying - "wait, Brussels? Who the hell are you guys? Why are you making decisions for us?"And are you sure that Greece and Germany can be in the same place? Because that's by no means self-evident. The Germans aren't happy about it; the Greeks aren't happy about it.One of the rules for making organisations is that it's a lot easier to make a functional organisation worse, than it is to make a dysfunctional organisation better."But his idea on white privilege for example. I find it troubling. Here's what he says:"I think the idea of white privilege is absolutely reprehensible. And it's not because white people aren't privileged. You know, we have all sorts of privileges, and most people have privileges of all sorts, and you should be grateful for your privileges and work to deserve them, I would say. But, the idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime, regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group, there is absolutely nothing that's more racist than that. It's absolutely abhorrent".I think he's right in what he says here strictly speaking, but that misses the point, doesn't it? It may be a natural function of community, rather than of racism as many assume (obviously that does contribute to it, to be fair). But that doesn't mean it's not real. I think he misses the point.I also find the old-fashioned conservative stuff about toughening up young men and all that a bit backward and stale. And I was troubled to see him supporting Tommy Robinson when he was banged up, that's a big red flag for me.I suspect he's not much less an atheist than I am, and he's come up with a formula to compromise his religious view to avoid offending the right-wing Christians who support him. The usual thing of abstracting the idea of "God" until it's almost meaningless.
Quote from: Bez on November 27, 2018, 23:22:03 pmBring on Fiona Bruce
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 27, 2018, 23:28:26 pmPlease, no.Can't stand the shekky-headed, patronising bint. She must have some serious dirt on the Beeb's top brass.
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 28, 2018, 16:59:44 pmAnd definitely no-one at all from Newsnight, they're all dreadful nowadays.
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