Brexit watch

Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 18:02:39 pm

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rufus the dawg

really, are you sure, are you really really sure? umm think you will find you are wrong nick.

and....This is the bit where you would put something rude, please think of something rude about yourself because i'm can not be bothered. Its very tedious.


PS. where's the bloody quote button gone?


Chris Quartly

Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on August 14, 2019, 20:37:13 pmThe EU has had nothing to do with peace. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing. Nothing and Nothing. Zilch. Zip. Nada. Nowt.
Thank goodness EU labour laws have saved us from the gig economy and zero hours contracts. Thank Goodness.
Environmental laws which allow the Germans to burn up vast quantities of Lignite, do you think we'd have been able to get away with that in the UK?

Germany's disastrous need for lignite is down to them replacing their nuclear power plants with renewables (solar/wind). If they'd have replaced their coal plants with renewables and kept their nuclear plants then Germany would be emitting zero carbon for their electricity. Should be a lesson for the world.
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Nick

Quote from: Slim on August 15, 2019, 20:07:15 pmBoris Johnson has already set one up. Seriously. A government that seeks some sort of accord and agreement with our friends in the EU (they aren't really our friends I know, but that's the diplomatic spin Boris has stuck to, fair play) while seeking to honour the referendum result - and the declaration of Article 50 which after all was carried by a large parliamentary majority - is always going to better serve the crucial interest of unity than a government installed in a coup with the assistance of a criminally biased Speaker. Seeks to thwart a referendum result and consists solely of people on the losing side, specifically excluding representation for the majority cannot lead to unity.

It's a sick and perverse flavour of Orwellian NewSpeak to describe what Clarke, Soubry, Grieve, Watson, Benn et al want as "unity". that's the last thing they care about.
We live in a representative democracy and parliament will have its say - MPs elected by the people will not allow an out-of-control government to impose no deal against the wishes of the majority of the public and of parliament.
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

Slim

In what sense is the government "out of control"? Sorry, that's ridiculous. It is acting on the will of the British people as expressed in a referendum, on its own party's manifesto, and on a decision already made by parliament, to declare Article 50.

Furthermore, the government does not wish to "impose" a No Deal Brexit - it simply wishes it to take its proper course, as outlined in law. Indeed in a very meaningful sense it's the EU who are imposing No Deal upon us, in the sense that they are refusing to act reasonably and negotiate.

It's the opposition parties that are lamentably out of control, attempting to defy our democracy and spit on millions of ordinary people who want their country back.

Slim

.. I might also mention that our lovely parliament had a chance to vote for a deal three times, and rejected it. Given that the deal it voted against is the only one the EU is prepared to support, then in a very real sense our parliament has already voted for No Deal.

You get offered a single, one-chance only deal, you reject it - you've chosen no deal. Really not hard.

The Letter R

I don't think a no deal is in the best interests of the Country personally but if that's the route then announce it now so at least the indecision is removed and everyone can plan for that. Customs papers / computer programs produced, processes put in place, people trained, businesses informed and infra-structure planned. Surely we're not going to wait until the middle or end of October before we declare our method of exit.....if we want to be out of Europe's Control then stop blaming them for not wanting to negotiate further, take the issue out of their hands and just say we're leaving on WTO terms on 31st October and move on.
If Boris is so sure he can handle no deal then play that hand now and get on with it.
A lot of Remainer frustration is bourne out of the Leavers own indecisions of how or what deal, more Remainers I think would be behind a leave deal if we saw the leavers had confidence in their own position rather than the "it will be alright" bluster.

Time to actually take control and move on Leavers and stop blaming everyone else. You won, now put your plan into action and prove to us that you can do this and it will work.

Slim

Quote from: The Letter R on August 16, 2019, 09:17:05 amI don't think a no deal is in the best interests of the Country personally but if that's the route then announce it now so at least the indecision is removed and everyone can plan for that.

I think this is fairly clear: we are leaving the EU on October 31st. We'd prefer for the EU to come to the table and negotiate a deal before then, but if not we'll leave anyway.

I don't think we can or should just take the position that we'll just leave with no deal come what may, as you suggest. If we can come to some sort of arrangement before then to make the process smoother, we should. There's still a chance that the EU's intransigence will fade at the last gasp. Also that would tend to make parliament even more hostile to our democracy than it already is.

Nick

Well here it is, leaked to the Times..the cabinet assessment of the issues Brexit will bring, not in any way a worse case scenario. 

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-times/uk-faces-food-fuel-and-drugs-shortages-in-no-deal-brexit-times-citing-official-documents-idUKKCN1V70M4?fbclid=IwAR2vxDYOiSj0yR8a644kf96bn6O28jYL4hQonkWqZHBaB0bBjaUo3GnHgOY

Let's revoke article 50 and return to the Great country we used to be.
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

DavidL

August 18, 2019, 12:21:12 pm #3203 Last Edit: August 18, 2019, 12:25:34 pm by DavidL Reason: addition
Quote from: Nick on August 18, 2019, 11:00:27 amWell here it is, leaked to the Times..the cabinet assessment of the issues Brexit will bring, not in any way a worse case scenario.

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-times/uk-faces-food-fuel-and-drugs-shortages-in-no-deal-brexit-times-citing-official-documents-idUKKCN1V70M4?fbclid=IwAR2vxDYOiSj0yR8a644kf96bn6O28jYL4hQonkWqZHBaB0bBjaUo3GnHgOY

Let's revoke article 50 and return to the Great country we used to be.
The EU would see this as successfully punishing the UK for daring to leave.....if it were to be the result. If so, unlikely to be long term, the damage to Ireland would be significant.

Nick

Quote from: DavidL on August 18, 2019, 12:21:12 pmThe EU would see this as successfully punishing the UK for daring to leave.....if it were to be the result. If so, unlikely to be long term, the damage to Ireland would be significant.
Its not a punishment its the effect of losing our benefits of being a member.
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

döm

Quote from: Nick on August 18, 2019, 13:33:16 pmIts not a punishment its the effect of losing our benefits of being a member.
Looking back, perhaps the referendum should have been on a no deal exit. Everyone would have known exactly what they were letting themselves in for and as a result it would have been much less likely to happen.
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

DavidL

Quote from: döm on August 18, 2019, 14:12:41 pmLooking back, perhaps the referendum should have been on a no deal exit. Everyone would have known exactly what they were letting themselves in for and as a result it would have been much less likely to happen.
Nobody would have known exactly what they were letting themselves in for......we don't know now. Quite possibly nothing like what's being 'threatened'.

Nick

Ha operation "Yellowhammer" named after a bird whose song is described as " a little bit of bread and no cheese".
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

Nïckslïkk2112

Quote from: Nick on August 18, 2019, 11:00:27 amLet's revoke article 50 and return to the Great country we used to be.
But we didn't invoke article 50 before WWI
Legend in my own Mind


döm

Quote from: DavidL on August 18, 2019, 15:01:16 pmNobody would have known exactly what they were letting themselves in for......we don't know now. Quite possibly nothing like what's being 'threatened'.
The time for threats is long gone. Who's being threatened and for what purpose?
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