Brexit watch

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DavidL

Quote from: Slim on February 26, 2017, 14:41:17 pm

There was no pledge to divert £350m of EU money to the NHS, as I show in my previous post above.
Quite right. It's beyond time that Remoaners dropped this ridiculous line of argument that says the NHS should now be in receipt of £350m more funding every week. They really have to let go of that particular straw now.

Richard_2112

Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

DavidL

Quote from: Richard_2112 on February 27, 2017, 23:29:03 pm
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-john-major-theresa-may-misleading-british-people-a7602651.html

I think that's quite fair from Major
The bitter whingeing of another sore loser who seem certain of the future. He knows a thing or two about misleading people, after betraying Norma for four years with the 'egg woman'.
The rantings a of a very bitter has-been.

The Letter R

Not saying they can't disagree with Brexit but I do wish some of these senior Politicians would start coming together to help make our exit from the EU the best it can be for Britain using their years of experience at the top of Government and knowing some of the inner workings of the EU, these are people who could really help our cause in negotiating the best deals possible. Standing on the sidelines like grouchy school kids not picked for the football team is not going to help at all. It's almost as if some people want to see their own Country go down the pan in some kind of self-professing prophecy rather than do what May is doing and rolling up her sleeves to get the job done.
I didn't want to leave the EU but the Country voted to leave, however small the margin - it really is time to wake up to this result and make it work in the best way possible.

Matt2112

Quote from: The Letter R on February 28, 2017, 08:37:33 am
Not saying they can't disagree with Brexit but I do wish some of these senior Politicians would start coming together to help make our exit from the EU the best it can be for Britain using their years of experience at the top of Government and knowing some of the inner workings of the EU, these are people who could really help our cause in negotiating the best deals possible. Standing on the sidelines like grouchy school kids not picked for the football team is not going to help at all. It's almost as if some people want to see their own Country go down the pan in some kind of self-professing prophecy rather than do what May is doing and rolling up her sleeves to get the job done.
I didn't want to leave the EU but the Country voted to leave, however small the margin - it really is time to wake up to this result and make it work in the best way possible.



Perfectly put, Keith.  A thousand likes.  :)
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DavidL

Quote from: Matt2112 on February 28, 2017, 09:44:48 am

Perfectly put, Keith.  A thousand likes.  :)
Agreed. Well said, that man  ;)

döm

I just think Major is trying to bring a bit of reality to the debate.


Trying to get the government to face the reality of the situation rather than the blind optimism they are displaying at the moment.


Major has huge experience when it comes to international diplomacy and the workings of the EU.  Maybe the Government should take heed ?




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DavidL

February 28, 2017, 11:54:46 am #697 Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 13:39:56 pm by DavidL
Quote from: döm on February 28, 2017, 11:13:07 am

Major has huge experience when it comes to international diplomacy and the workings of the EU.  Maybe the Government should take heed ?
He's got experience of the EU alright ....but not a good one. Why should anyone listen to the boring idiot that gave us the ERM fiasco, the Mastricht Treaty along with 15% interest rates? People have short memories - the man's a discredited political figure where economics (and the EU) is concerned
Stick to watching cricket, John.

Slim


"It was a craven and defeated speech, of a bitter man who was heavily defeated by the electorate for his own failings in Europe in 1997, who was defeated again last June and now wants to take out his failures on Mrs May"

Beautifully and eloquently stated by Jacob Rees-Mogg; probably our most brilliant parliamentarian.

döm

February 28, 2017, 14:01:42 pm #699 Last Edit: February 28, 2017, 14:06:06 pm by döm
Quote from: Slim on February 28, 2017, 12:12:26 pm
"It was a craven and defeated speech, of a bitter man who was heavily defeated by the electorate for his own failings in Europe in 1997, who was defeated again last June and now wants to take out his failures on Mrs May"

Beautifully and eloquently stated by Jacob Rees-Mogg; probably our most brilliant parliamentarian.



Sticks and stones - why didn't he constructively address the issues instead of the verbal assasination

And I really don't think he can blame Europe on Major's failing to win.  Blair's policy towards Europe was identical.  Major had no chance. People were sick and tired of the Conservative party at that point and the Labour Party had got its act together.
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Matt2112

Quote from: döm on February 28, 2017, 14:01:42 pm

Sticks and stones - why didn't he constructively address the issues instead of the verbal assasination



Because the "issues" are moot?
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Slim

Quote from: döm on February 28, 2017, 14:01:42 pmSticks and stones - why didn't he constructively address the issues instead of the verbal assasination


Because he was asked to comment on Major's speech, and because the argument has already been won. That's what's so unhelpful about Major's bitter intervention - he had his chance to make his point before June 23rd. It's pointless whining about it now. It only reinforces the general public's suspicion that the establishment won't accept the people's historic instruction.

döm

Quote from: Matt2112 on February 28, 2017, 14:31:24 pm

Because the "issues" are moot?



The issue being that the country is to walk off a very high cliff-face.  Major, like many others, are pointing out the dangers in the hope that someone in charge decides to use a parachute!
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Matt2112

Quote from: döm on February 28, 2017, 15:18:55 pm

The issue being that the country is to walk off a very high cliff-face.  Major, like many others, are pointing out the dangers in the hope that someone in charge decides to use a parachute!



Reminds me of the dangers that were immediately to befall us all if the Leave vote prevailed; total conjecture that turned out to be wrong.  I admit I voted Remain mostly out of erring on the side of caution due to the loudly-trumpeted fear of the unknown at the time and, while I still don't regret it, that is all moot now as well.


It's gone and has been gone since June last year; time to move onward and - hopefully - upward.
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DavidL