Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 18:02:39 pm
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Quote from: Ian Harris on February 25, 2017, 23:52:33 pmThis is quite an interesting discussion. Pre-23 June, many supporters of Leave went to great lengths to insist their prime concern was not immigration - how very dare you - but sovereignty, fears of an EU superstate, the corrupt EU, indignation about Greece. Now I read that it was crystal clear that a vote for leave was a vote to change immigration policy, and to retain freedom of movement would be a betrayal of everyone who voted leave. Of course no-one believed in the £350m - move on, Remoaners! That was just Boris being Boris.
QuoteThe vote to leave the EU was a vote to leave the EU. Nothing else. If you want more, or you want to specify the terms, lobby your MP, and if you don't like their decision, vote them out in a general election. Take note, Mr Corbyn.
Quote from: döm on February 26, 2017, 01:14:21 amTalking about all these amazing trading deals around the World while shutting the door in the enormous market at the back door.
Quote from: Slim on February 24, 2017, 15:29:53 pmLOL well at the very least I would have substituted that "when" in the third-last sentence for an "if". Otherwise there's a real danger that poor old Nick Cohen will turn out to be a 'superliar' himself.
Quote from: döm on February 26, 2017, 01:14:21 amThere was certainly no mention of the Single Market or the Customs Union on the ballot paper.
Quote from: DavidL on February 26, 2017, 10:22:04 am Stunning piece of hyperbole!At worst, trading with the single market will continue on WTO rules. At best access will be granted with minimal or no tariffs imposed by either side.
Quote from: DavidL on February 26, 2017, 10:42:27 amNo need for that, it was implied by both sides that leaving the single market and customs union would be a result of leaving the EU. Of course, this argument was made mostly by the Remain side as they insisted it would be the cause of millions of job losses and economic disaster if Leave won.
Quote from: Slim on February 26, 2017, 00:33:55 amWhat Boris said was that £350m a week could be freed up for "our priorities such as the NHS", which remains entirely correct. What he didn't say that he would personally guarantee how the government would spend it. He wasn't the Chancellor of the Exchequer at the time.
Quote from: Slim on February 26, 2017, 00:33:55 amAnd a vote to leave was all of these things - to reduce immigration, to repatriate our laws, to leave the single market, depending on the individual voter. Many supporters of Leave went to great lengths to insist that immigration was a pressing concern.
Quote from: Slim on February 26, 2017, 00:33:55 amIn reality it was more than [a vote to leave the EU].
Quote from: Slim on February 26, 2017, 00:33:55 amFor example, both sides made clear that it would mean leaving the single market so no-one can pretend that the Leave voters weren't voting for this. The government has not merely a mandate but a duty to ensure that this referendum pledge is carried out.
Quote from: döm on February 26, 2017, 10:44:53 amHyperbole? WTO rules would have a devastating effect.I can't believe May is even considering them. It will be hugely damaging to the country.
Quote from: DavidL on February 26, 2017, 13:58:04 pm"shutting the door" ?
QuoteThe Tories are going headlong into their own ideological version of Brexit with little regard for the likely damaging economic consequences.
QuoteTalking about all these amazing trading deals around the World while shutting the door in the enormous market at the back door.
Quote from: Ian Harris on February 26, 2017, 12:17:56 pmBoris spoke from a platform next to a banner with the text: 'We send the EU £350m a week. Let's fund the NHS instead.'
Quote from: Ian Harris on February 26, 2017, 12:17:56 pmNot so for Leave, as above. Remain said a vote to leave could result in us leaving the Single Market - not, we must leave the Single Market if we vote leave. If you can find anything about leaving the Single Market on the ballot paper, do share. And explain why the Government has a duty to deliver one pledge you like, but can bat aside another (the £350m) you don't.
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