Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 17:02:39 pm
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Quote from: Matt2112 on November 05, 2016, 13:58:52 pmMy beef is with the thinking and motivations from an agenda-driven Remainer behind how the ruling would manifest itself, which don't appear to come from an entirely honest or honourable place, i.e. scupper Brexit by any means possible.
Quote from: döm on November 05, 2016, 13:27:48 pmThe Mail and Express are absolutely despicable. All that is hateful about the UK in a nutshell.
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 05, 2016, 21:27:19 pmWhich is a very good piece of beef. Are the legal challenges being done because people are concerned by the legal and constitutional issues over Brexit, or are they been driven by a bunch of sore losers.
Quote from: Moving Target on November 05, 2016, 11:02:30 amQuite frightening fascist propaganda.
Quote from: Slim on November 05, 2016, 22:30:05 pmNeither fascist, nor propaganda. Speaking up for the people against the establishment which would deny them liberty.
Quote from: DavidL on November 06, 2016, 01:29:19 amYes, I agree. To call those opinions fascist is hysterical nonsense.
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 06, 2016, 09:50:59 amYes, "fascist" isn't appropriate, but much of the invective is plain ad hominen at best and hardly measured or rational. That's the tabloids all over - more interested in sensationalist character assassination than engaging in a healthy discourse.
Quote from: NeilP on November 06, 2016, 12:39:35 pmThe Lord Chief Justice Lord Thomas put it in this way: "The sole question in this case is whether, as a matter of the constitutional law of the United Kingdom, the Crown - acting through the executive government of the day - is entitled to use its prerogative powers to give notice under Article 50 for the United Kingdom to cease to be a member of the European Union."He stressed that it was a "pure question of law" with "no bearing" on the merits of the UK withdrawing from the EU.Lord Thomas says: "An important aspect of the fundamental principle of Parliamentary sovereignty is that primary legislation is not subject to displacement by the Crown through the exercise of its prerogative powers."So, prerogative powers are strictly limited and in the relationship between them and Parliament it is Parliament that very firmly has the upper hand, because, "This subordination of the Crown [ie the executive government] to law is the foundation of the rule of law in the United Kingdom", he says.In other words, Parliament is king - top dog of the constitution.The government cannot use executive powers to override legislation. Only legislation can override legislation.This view was expressed but ignored by the press months back when the case was first brought before the courts.The appeal should be dropped and the Govt should get on with 'leaving' the EU
Quote from: DavidL on November 06, 2016, 13:16:11 pmThat's fine but the conundrum remains - on what basis would most MPs vote to trigger article 50 other than their desire for the UK to remain in or leave the EU?
Quote from: Slim on November 06, 2016, 13:22:48 pmIf it comes down to it, I think Watson's stance carries more weight and support among Labour MPs than Corbyn's.
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