Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 17:02:39 pm
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Quote from: döm on November 03, 2016, 11:07:18 amParliamentary democracy 1 - Authoritarian Government 0
Quote from: Moving Target on November 03, 2016, 17:02:45 pmIf Parliament has to enact an Article 50 Act, the Lords will get a say, and they do not answer to any constituents.Poor old Brenialers. They wanted supremacy of Parliament over the EU, supremacy of British courts, and when the one is upheld by the other they squeal.
Quote from: Slim on November 03, 2016, 23:24:33 pmThe government has already ceded the question of membership of the EU to the people Rob. It is duty-bound to honour the people's instruction. If Parliament betrays the people it will sow seeds of disenfranchisement and disaffection that will ultimately exact a heavy price.
Quote from: döm on November 04, 2016, 10:15:20 amIt's a great thing that the UK has an independent and strong judiciary, not swayed by Government or Public opinion, doing its job according to the facts.
Quote from: Moving Target on November 04, 2016, 12:10:24 pmI would disagree with that. They are sworn to the Crown, not the people, though they represent their constituents who elect them and can sack them at a later election. Is Goldsmith honouring his constituents by supporting Leave? Quite clearly not. Brexit will still happen but now Parliament will be in control, according to the constitution, rather than the PM applying Royal prerogative.
Quote from: Slim on November 04, 2016, 13:30:17 pmSo if a political party makes a promise in its manifesto, then is elected with a majority, there is no duty to carry it out?
Quote from: Slim on November 04, 2016, 13:30:17 pmSo if a political party makes a promise in its manifesto, then is elected with a majority, there is no duty to carry it out? I disagree. We'll have to wait and see, but this could be rather messy. It's a shame the difficulties weren't foreseen I must admit, but then no-one could have expected the remainers to display such a squalid loathing for democracy, and in any case the government expected Remain to win all along. As I did until about 2:30AM on June 24th.
Quote from: Bez on November 04, 2016, 14:07:13 pmThere's plenty of precedent for that....
Quote from: Slim on November 04, 2016, 16:10:08 pmThere are some precedents for that, but not really on an instruction delivered by 17 million people of enormous constitutional importance.
Quote from: DavidL on November 04, 2016, 18:59:15 pmCan someone please explain what it is that Parliament has been given permission to approve?
Quote from: NeilP on November 04, 2016, 22:03:00 pmWhat would not be fine is for May, together with Fox, Davis and Boris to decide (dictate) what path is taken in related areas such as trade - e.g. going for an EEA option or WTO rules option - without proper recourse to the democratic institution of the UK i.e. parliament.
QuoteQuite how anyone (in the press, on this forum, wherever) can claim the judgement regarding A50 is anti-democratic and at the same time claim the outcome of the referendum was about sovereignty and democracy is baffling to say the least.
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