Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 18:02:39 pm
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Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on January 21, 2017, 22:29:38 pmtl;drIt hasn't turned its back on the world. Any fule kno that. It just doesn't want to belong to a Euro "Project" within a world which is radically different to when the Euro "Project" was set in motion. It's like some sort of Hari Seldon foundation which is set on making things worse rather than better.As for lying politicians: How do you know if a Politician is lying? His lips move.If Britain has turned its back on the world how come the Crims and the Kiwis are wanting to get more involved with us? That can only be a good thing, their wine is better than the French and if we can get it more cheaply then win, win!And finally Cyril, what bit of "Democracy" don't the 48% understand?
Quote from: Moving Target on January 22, 2017, 17:06:23 pmHmm, as Clegg said on BBC this morning, doubling of our trade with the Anglosphere (USA, Canada, Caribbean, AUS, NZ, India) will not offset our losses in trade with the EU. We have to do better than that.
Quote from: Slim on January 22, 2017, 19:38:23 pmI wonder how we ever survived before we joined the EU in 1973. I suppose we lived in caves and ate grass and berries.
Quote from: Nick on January 22, 2017, 19:23:56 pmAll this theoretical new trade outside the EU involves huge extra shipping costs air/sea, plus customs clearance etc, compared with sending a van through the tunnel. All this comes at a competitive cost, it's amazing people can't see the wood for the trees.
Quote from: NeilP on January 22, 2017, 21:08:29 pmI am starting to see a glimmer of a plan here. I'm not sure whether it is a mirage, born of wishful thinking on my part, or whether TM et al actually do have a cunning plan. At the moment, I suspect the former, but hope for the latter.The plan being that, as has been said many times, a hard Brexit would likely be bad for the UK, but arguably worse for the EU. So by taking what the EU has been saying about the single market being non-negotiable and turning this into 'Brexit means hard Brexit' TM is effectively saying 'This will hurt us, but it will hurt you more'. There are fault lines across the EU at the moment, and the prospect of further damage in consequence of Brexit (any Brexit) may cause those fault lines to open further, so that the EU is forced into a recognition that the only way to keep it together is some fundamental reform.It does seem to me that the only way the EU will ever acknowledge the need for that reform is when it can no longer deny it. So this plan, such as it is, might be the way to bring it about. If so, and faced with a genuinely reforming EU and the inevitable harm from a hard Brexit, there could conceivably be a sound political rationale for not proceeding with Brexit after all.
Quote from: Nick on January 22, 2017, 20:05:12 pmThe world has moved on a tad since 73, China wasn't even on the radar back then as a manufacturing force. Surely you cannot be looking back into history in an attempt to see how trade in the future may play out, what next, trading Etruscan vases?
Quote from: Slim on January 24, 2017, 00:11:52 amAnd yet - somehow most of the world's countries sustain themselves without either being a member of the EU, or trading predominantly in Etruscan vases. Puzzling.
Quote from: Nick on January 22, 2017, 20:05:12 pmThe world has moved on a tad since 73, China wasn't even on the radar back then as a manufacturing force.
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