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Quote from: DavidL on August 23, 2019, 19:11:40 pmDremainer
Quote from: Slim on August 22, 2019, 22:51:06 pmThe UK has no wish, or need to align its standards with those of the EU. If the Republic insists on erecting hard border infrastructure to protect the single market that's its sovereign right, and its own problem.And yes, the UK will have control of its borders, and will end freedom of movement. There already is a border between the UK and the Republic of Ireland. Just because you can stroll over won't make it legal. If you look at the border between the US and Canada for example, there are a lot of places where you can just walk over without showing a passport.Good to see that Merkel has seen a bit of sense, and the facade is cracking. All it takes is a firm approach and refusal to take any bullshit.
Quote from: Nick on August 23, 2019, 16:14:58 pmI doubt anybody would have voted for the current chaos we are now and will be in.
Quote from: Slim on August 22, 2019, 22:51:06 pmThe UK has no wish, or need to align its standards with those of the EU.
Quote from: DavidL on August 23, 2019, 18:25:32 pmI know someone that voted Remain because they were told there'd be "immediate and profound" negative economic consequences.
Quote from: zoony on August 23, 2019, 20:06:51 pmNo chaos around here where I live mate. Just waiting for Boris to deliver what we voted for.
Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 23, 2019, 21:39:32 pmwhat did you vote forCanada plus plus double plusNorway +++++ plus plus ++++Single MarketRaspberry milkshakes all roundBendy bananas.Leave yes, how and with what. Because even if we leave with No deal we will have eventually sign a deal with the EU?
Quote from: döm on August 23, 2019, 19:57:35 pmNow thats dreaming! For the UK to choose to diverge its standards from the EU would be an act of pig ignorance. Why would it chose to make trade more difficult with its closest neighbours?Just looking at one of their smallest neighbours - Ireland. The Uk has a 16 billion trade surplus with Ireland. It exports almost twice as much to Ireland as it does to China for example . A country of only 4 million is UK's 6th biggest trading partner for exports. Why would it choose to damage that. An act completely lacking logic and of gross negligence!
Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 23, 2019, 21:35:20 pmBrexit has not happened!
Quote from: Slim on August 23, 2019, 23:53:40 pmNo.Why would we adopt the EU as arbiters of our own standard? Do the Chinese, or the Americans, both of whom trade in huge quantities do this? it doesn't particularly make trade more difficult in any case. Both sides can still pick and choose what they wish to import according to their own needs and their own standards. As is usual when individual nations trade with each other.
Quote from: döm on August 24, 2019, 08:42:40 amWhen nations do trade deals with one another realpolitik has a large part to play. The UK is the minor party in negotiations and 50% of its exports go to the EU. 6% of EU exports go to thd UK. If it wants a decent trade deal it will have to comply with EU standards. For example if the UK decides to drop some of its agricultural standards to facilitate a trade deal with the US it will be at the expense of agricultural trade with the EU. The only way of preventing that is to hope that the EU and US reach a deal equalising standards between the 2. There would have been more chance of that happening while the UK was still a member of the EU where it could have helped influence and shape EU trade policy.
Quote from: Slim on August 24, 2019, 10:16:46 amDon't agree with this at all; exporters in the UK who want to export to the EU will comply with their standards and vice versa, it's as simple as that. What won't happen is compliance to a set of rules governing all trade, so for example if an importer in the UK wants to buy warehouse loads of chlorinated chicken it will be at liberty to do so - assuming that our own standards permit that.
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