Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 18:02:39 pm
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Quote from: döm on August 18, 2019, 15:28:14 pmThe time for threats is long gone. Who's being threatened and for what purpose?
Quote from: döm on August 18, 2019, 14:12:41 pmLooking back, perhaps the referendum should have been on a no deal exit. Everyone would have known exactly what they were letting themselves in for and as a result it would have been much less likely to happen.
Quote from: Slim on August 18, 2019, 16:02:03 pmAs for the leak to the Sunday Times, surely the most significant snippet is that a hard border between NI and the Republic is expected in the event of a no deal. I have to wonder who exactly would construct this border infrastructure, but if that is indeed the case - well, the ball is firmly in the EU's court, so I hope they're having a good think about how much they want to avoid it.We'll see how much the mandarins in their EU ivory towers care about circumstances on the ground in Ireland over the next couple of months. Not very much, is my suspicion. But we'll see.
Quote from: Slim on August 18, 2019, 15:47:31 pmThe British people are being threatened, in an attempt to maintain the status quo and defeat their say in who governs them.
Quote from: Slim on August 18, 2019, 15:54:07 pmThat would have been silly, because a deal that's advantageous to both sides was entirely possible.
Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 19, 2019, 11:24:54 amNick it's just scaremongering made up by the left because it's the left's fault. They are everywhere and I blame the left for everything.Those lefties wearing socks with open toed sandals and woven ties are everywhere. They have infiltrated the system. They have even called the report after a bird, bloody lefty twitchers. I might have to eat lentils next.I was on social media the other day and what the left were putting up is tearing this country apart. How dare they not agree with my view. Because all my slogans are right. I know they are right because I am right and the right is always right. It's in the words right is right.You are either with me or against me. Right is right, all those nasty remainers wanting to question my slogans; how dare they because I can not back them up with evidence. I know i am right because right is right. And I am always right.
Quote from: döm on August 18, 2019, 16:34:14 pmIt has to be constructed. WTO rules stipulate that they have to be on place for countries that have different trading arrangements.
Quote from: The Letter R on August 19, 2019, 13:37:21 pmActually I am not sure that is true - sources I have found seem to suggest it is not a WTO issue unless another member complains then they can only recommend - I don't think the WTO actually has the power to enforce anythinghttps://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/wto-says-its-rules-would-not-force-eu-or-uk-to-erect-hard-irish-border-1.3710136https://tradebetablog.wordpress.com/2018/07/18/does-the-wto-require-countries-to-control-their-borders/
Quote from: döm on August 19, 2019, 14:43:13 pmok so the WTO itself won't act, but if a country doesn't have a border with another one then a 3rd country would be entitled to complain that their goods and services were being unfairly treated as a result.
Quote from: döm on August 18, 2019, 16:34:14 pmIt has to be constructed. WTO rules stipulate that they have to be on place for countries that have different trading arrangements.It was the UK that agreed to put the backstop in the 1st place and then chose to extend it (after protests from the DUP) from Northern Ireland to the whole of the UK.The Backstop is absolutely crucial to maintain the Good Friday agreement. For Johnson to say it must be scrapped as a pre-condition for the resumption of talks means he's not interested in negotiating
Quote from: The Letter R on August 20, 2019, 09:53:04 amYes - if a member state of the WTO complains to the WTO Officially then a dispute could be lodged but again the WTO seems on the face of it to be fairly powerless. WTO resolution panels can only recommend that a state corrects its "violation" in the future, this can be ignored and no compensation can be sought from the complainant. In the case of the Irish Border or lack of, then would the UK or EU be at fault or both? No EU member state would make a complaint as the EU conducts litigation on behalf of its members so it wouldn't bring a complaint against itself.
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