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Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 08, 2019, 15:32:22 pmDavid Davis was the Brexit secretary. For heavens sake take some responsibility.Leave lied to get a result that were/are unable implement it.
Quote from: DavidL on August 08, 2019, 15:53:40 pmRemain lied.....but didn't get a result
Quote from: The Letter R on August 08, 2019, 09:41:05 amI've yet to hear this "deal" they want to put forward though.....maybe someone can tell me what it is?
Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 08, 2019, 15:29:17 pmPass the buck again when will you all on the leave take some responsibility. We are leaving them, "quick and easy" leave said. "We hold all the cards" all 52 of them we can have cake and eat it. Looks like the EU hold all the cards and the joker plus the rule book to me.
Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 08, 2019, 15:41:08 pmEven if we now leave on WTO terms we still eventually have to come to a deal with the EU.That will involve us selling in to the EU and accepting their rules and having zero say.
Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 08, 2019, 23:06:44 pmDavid the referendum was about bring democracy home not lying.So lying from both sides does not make it right. Does it?You are proving to me that the the problems that created Brexit were not the EU fault but UK governments blaming their home problems on the EU. UK governments for years have been lying and not following their manifestos and running the country with minority governments in terms of votes cast.
Quote from: Slim on August 08, 2019, 23:46:06 pmThis is pure nonsense. Drivel. That ship has sailed. On November 1st we become their single largest trading partner, and we'll come to a deal with them on terms that suit us.And once reality dawns that we held firm and gave them the middle finger, they will come crawling on their knees for a trade deal on a trail of garlic slime.
Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 08, 2019, 15:24:51 pmWe are leaving them, its up to us not them. Remain did say but it was scaremongering remember
Quote from: Matt2112 on August 09, 2019, 11:49:02 amThe point of a "deal" is that it's a constructive negotiation between two parties for the purpose of a mutual agreement. There will, in theory, be trade-offs and compromises, otherwise it won't work.When one of those parties refuses to negotiate like some toddler having a three-year long strop then what can you do?
Quote from: döm on August 09, 2019, 17:35:35 pmFor the sake of clarity Matt - which side are you referring to here ?
Quote from: DavidL on August 09, 2019, 00:11:29 amI suspect you'd have been perfectly happy with the conduct of both sides.... if Remain had won.
Quote from: Slim on August 09, 2019, 10:54:17 amBut this is pure nonsense, isn't it? Parliament has already put in place the legislation by which we leave the EU. Parliament has already voted to declare Article 50, without a deal with the EU being a precondition.
Quote from: Slim on August 09, 2019, 10:54:17 amI can't think of anything more liable to provoke disunity, anger and possibly political violence than some sort of unholy cabal of scheming parliamentarians seizing control of government in order to defy the people's instruction. Especially when it's something as fundamental as who governs us. That would be a vile abuse of the public's trust.I don't think any of us could have imagined that the remainers would turn out to be so extraordinarily illiberal and toxic. I don't mean everyone who voted to remain, of course. Many I'm sure understand the need for a public vote to be respected. But the likes of Grieve, Soubry, Benn, Watson, Bercow .. there's going to be a time when they account for the division they have brought to our country.
Quote from: rufus the dawg on August 09, 2019, 22:28:09 pmNo I would not.
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