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Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 17:02:39 pm

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DavidL

December 06, 2016, 15:51:01 pm #285 Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 19:09:09 pm by DavidL
Quote from: döm on December 06, 2016, 15:13:57 pm
Theresa, Boris and Co are going to have a very tough and busy couple of years ahead...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michel-barnier-brexit-latest-october-2018-a7458401.html


I actually wrote an essay about this guy when I was on my year abroad doing my degree 30 years ago (my God!).  Albertville had been awarded the Winter Olympics and he was a local politician who had promised lots of towns and villages that various competions from the games would be held in their localities.  He did this to garner support.  When the games were awarded the number of venues shrank drastically and not surprisingly annoyed a lot of people.


I think the EU have chosen well. He's a very capable negotiator not afraid of using a trick or two.
And you admire these people?
So what's happened to Guy Verhofstadt? I thought he'd been put in charge of negotiations - another c**t


Nick

Statement from Eu's chief negotiator today - clear, considered and precise.

First, unity. Unity is the strength of the European Union. President Juncker and I are determined to preserve the unity and the interests of EU 27. This determination is shared by all governments.
Second, being in the European Union comes with rights and benefits. Third countries can never have the same rights and benefits since they are not subject to the same obligations.
Third, negotiations will not start before notification.
Fourth, the single market and its full freedoms, its four freedoms, are indivisible. Cherry picking is not an option.


Statement from Theresa May our PM.. she wants "a red, white and blue Brexit".
Jesus wept.
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

döm

The Guy guy is the European Parliament's rep and Barnier represents the Commission.  I imagine they will be working very closely together.
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

döm

Quote from: Nick on December 06, 2016, 16:01:36 pm
Statement from Eu's chief negotiator today - clear, considered and precise.

First, unity. Unity is the strength of the European Union. President Juncker and I are determined to preserve the unity and the interests of EU 27. This determination is shared by all governments.
Second, being in the European Union comes with rights and benefits. Third countries can never have the same rights and benefits since they are not subject to the same obligations.
Third, negotiations will not start before notification.
Fourth, the single market and its full freedoms, its four freedoms, are indivisible. Cherry picking is not an option.


Statement from Theresa May our PM.. she wants "a red, white and blue Brexit".
Jesus wept.



The EU already knows exactly how they want this to play out and how they want it to work, their objectives etc and are quite happy to voice this in public.  The UK still appears clueless, unless it's some clever secretive strategy
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

döm

It's worth getting free limited access to ft.com to read this....


https://www.ft.com/content/37b5933c-b884-11e6-ba85-95d1533d9a62



You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

Nick

Quote from: Nick on December 06, 2016, 16:01:36 pm



Statement from Theresa May our PM.. she wants "a red, white and blue Brexit".




Personally I think we are heading for a brown Brexit.
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

DavidL

December 06, 2016, 18:55:00 pm #291 Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 19:15:02 pm by DavidL
Quote from: Nick on December 06, 2016, 16:01:36 pm
Statement from Eu's chief negotiator today - clear, considered and precise.

First, unity. Unity is the strength of the European Union. President Juncker and I are determined to preserve the unity and the interests of EU 27.
Even if it's ultimately against the wishes of their citizens

DavidL

December 06, 2016, 18:58:03 pm #292 Last Edit: December 06, 2016, 19:15:59 pm by DavidL
Quote from: döm on December 06, 2016, 16:03:00 pm
The Guy guy is the European Parliament's rep and Barnier represents the Commission.  I imagine they will be working very closely together.
Oh, of course I forgot, why have a single person to carry out an EU role when it can be duplicated?

DavidL

Quote from: döm on December 06, 2016, 16:09:02 pm

The EU already knows exactly how they want this to play out and how they want it to work, their objectives etc and are quite happy to voice this in public.  The UK still appears clueless, unless it's some clever secretive strategy
There's only one strand to the EU's approach and that is to keep the EU together....at any cost.

döm

Quote from: DavidL on December 06, 2016, 18:59:58 pm
There's only one strand to the EU's approach and that is to keep the EU together....at any cost.



That's the bottom line and is why the UK will end up unhappy with the final deal.
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

döm

Quote from: DavidL on December 06, 2016, 18:58:03 pm
Oh, of course I forgot, why have a single person to carry out an EU role when it can be duplicated?



2 people to represent 27 countries. sounds pretty efficient to me!
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

döm

Quote from: DavidL on December 06, 2016, 15:51:01 pm
And you admire these people?
So what's happened to Guy Verhofstadt? I thought he'd been put in charge of negotiations - another c**t



He's a bit of a snake but he's a politician. it goes with the territory
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

DavidL

Quote from: döm on December 06, 2016, 19:23:20 pm

That's the bottom line and is why the UK will end up unhappy with the final deal.
I think you're right but it will still be better for the UK to leave the sinking ship. Our economy will probably end up being more successful than any of the 27 we're leaving behind.

döm

Quote from: DavidL on December 06, 2016, 19:37:40 pm
I think you're right but it will still be better for the UK to leave the sinking ship. Our economy will probably end up being more successful than any of the 27 we're leaving behind.



True, the EU has some serious difficulties to overcome and it could well do without the Brexit distraction. Hopefully 10 years hence it will all be rosy for all parties. It's certainly going to be a very rocky road between now and then.
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

DavidL

Quote from: döm on December 06, 2016, 19:48:08 pm

True, the EU has some serious difficulties to overcome and it could well do without the Brexit distraction. Hopefully 10 years hence it will all be rosy for all parties. It's certainly going to be a very rocky road between now and then.
They can certainly do without losing one of their largest contributors of finance. Unless they make some pretty fundamental changes (which I don't believe they're prepared to make) they are toast.
They could start by allowing certain members to remove themselves, in an orderly fashion, from the eurozone. Secondly, place some kind of embargo on free movement until separate economies are more balanced (never?). Thirdly, devise some way of making the commission more accountable ( by comprising elected members). Finally, get to grips with the profligate over-spending and lack of fiscal discipline (start by doing away with Strasbourg).
Address some of those issues and they might pull it back from the brink.