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Brexit watch

Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 17:02:39 pm

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döm

Quote from: DavidL on June 19, 2017, 14:07:06 pm
zzzzzzzzzz  ;)



Good point. The UK appears to be sleep-walking into this!
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

zoony

Quote from: NeilP on June 19, 2017, 08:01:02 am
of course he can mate,  3/10 didn't vote in the referendum - perhaps they preferred the status quo of remaining in the EU?

Anyway, we're 'leaving' now apparently



And the sooner the better.

Slim

Quite encouraged by the news today, strong signs that the public are going to get the Brexit they voted for and nice to see a bit of harmony between the two sides:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/19/david-davis-eu-rule-soft-brexit-day-one-negotiations/

I'm doubtful that we'll go from being one of the strongest economies in the world to living in caves in a few years.

Also interested to see this:



Of course that's only a subset of the 27 EU countries (28 if you like).


Richard_2112

Borrowed from a friend:

Brexit Negotiations Day 1

David Davis (DD) meets Michel Barnier (MB).

11.03 meeting starts.

DD: Hello froggy, just my little joke *DD laughs ... no one else does*. Well let's get this over with chaps then it's off for a round of frogs legs, just my little joke *DD smirks, one of his civil servants starts chewing his own fist*.

MB: Good afternoon. Here is the bill for the commitments made by your country prior to exiting the European Union. *MB hands over a large piece of paper to DD*

DD: Crickey Moses the Maybot's going to explode at that. Erm, we can offer you a truck load of stripy jumpers if you want, just my little joke *DD beams, no one else comments*.

*A moment of silence*

DD: A right well, let's get to it. We want full access to the single market without having to have any of those pesky foreigners, no offence ha-hah, coming in and stealing our jobs.

MB: No.

DD: Ah ok, well then we want access to the customs union and still be able to have free trade with other nations.

MB: No.

DD: Ah ok, we want have access to all your information in regard to security and give you nothing in exchange.

MB: No.

DD: Ah ok, we want - well actually Arlene wants - to have tariff free access to across the Irish border but just the Irish boarder mind you and nowhere else.

MB: No.

*Sotto voice from the EU side: Qui est-ce buffoon?*

*MB stares at his colleague in disapproval.*

DD: Ah ok, well what have you got then? We've got all the bunches of onions we need you know. *DD grins like a cat licking its own balls. A British Civil Servant logs onto Monster.com*. Ha-hah, just one of my little jokes.

*A moment of silence*

MB: You will tell us what you wish to do about the rights of EU nationals currently living in your country and pay what you owe before we will discuss any other details of these negotiations. We will meet in one week to discuss these matters in detail.

*The EU delegation leaves the room*.

DD: Blimey, can they do that?

Official: *Takes fist out of mouth*. Erm, yes.

DD: Crickey!

Meeting ends 11.17.

17.35 - DD holds press conference

DD: We have had incredibly detailed and constructive talks regarding our glorious future as a free trading nation.....
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Nick

Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

döm

what's to be read into the Queen's choice of millinery ?  ;D


You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

Slim

I see some of our contributors haven't lost their habit of taking anyone's side in an argument, as long as it's against their own country.

Richard_2112

June 21, 2017, 14:44:14 pm #1147 Last Edit: June 21, 2017, 15:50:06 pm by Richard_2112
Quote from: Slim on June 21, 2017, 12:54:45 pm
I see some of our contributors haven't lost their habit of taking anyone's side in an argument, as long as it's against their own country.

Oh boo hoo, charge us with treason then you old dinosaur
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Slim

I prefer simply to laugh at you, Richard.

DavidL

Quote from: Slim on June 21, 2017, 12:54:45 pm
I see some of our contributors haven't lost their habit of taking anyone's side in an argument, as long as it's against their own country.
Bad losers

NeilP


Slim

Yes, I heard on the news that our offer on EU nationals residing here was "below expectations", what a shame. Indeed I heard this discussed by participants in last night's Any Questions, including Diane Abbott, as well.

Much wringing of hands and distress over the plight of people from other countries living here and disappointment that we've left it so long before offering any certainty, not a toss given over the welfare of our own citizens living in the EU.

I thought Diane did OK by the way, talking the usual nonsense but reasonably confidently and articulately, and without crashing into anything.

Richard_2112

Quote from: Slim on June 24, 2017, 19:41:23 pm
Yes, I heard on the news that our offer on EU nationals residing here was "below expectations", what a shame. Indeed I heard this discussed by participants in last night's Any Questions, including Diane Abbott, as well.

Much wringing of hands and distress over the plight of people from other countries living here and disappointment that we've left it so long before offering any certainty, not a toss given over the welfare of our own citizens living in the EU.

I thought Diane did OK by the way, talking the usual nonsense but reasonably confidently and articulately, and without crashing into anything.

Erm, the EU's offer was to give a lifetime guarantee of their existing rights to British people living in Europe, and for some reason we didn't even come close to matching that offer, so it seems the only people not giving a toss over the welfare of our own citizens living in the EU is our own government
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

Slim

Quote from: Richard_2112 on June 24, 2017, 20:21:53 pm
Erm, the EU's offer was to give a lifetime guarantee of their existing rights to British people living in Europe, and for some reason we didn't even come close to matching that offer, so it seems the only people not giving a toss over the welfare of our own citizens living in the EU is our own government


Here's the problem with that: British citizens living and working in EU countries are currently subject to the laws of the country in which they reside, and naturally the ECJ is sovereign there. The British courts aren't.

But we're leaving the EU. Naturally the British courts will be sovereign here, and the ECJ won't. So what we've offered is actually a symmetrical and normal arrangement. American citizens don't have recourse to the US Supreme Court to uphold their rights as residents here, for example.

So what the EU expects is for the EU's supreme court to hold sway over the rights of UK citizens in Europe and also of EU citizens in the UK, while the British courts are the ultimate arbiter of neither. That would not be a "match".

NeilP