Jeremy Corbyn is Leader of the Labour Party

Started by Slim, September 12, 2015, 13:08:47 pm

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Slim

.. and this is one of the happiest days of my life  :D

Fishy

You get the feeling all the group hug/smiley faces isn't going to last long..I suspect the knives are being sharpened as we speak
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DavidL

September 12, 2015, 15:18:38 pm #2 Last Edit: September 12, 2015, 15:27:19 pm by DavidL
Brilliant result!!
;D
The Labour Party is going to tear itself apart. One of the best aspects of this is the fact that Bliar must be absolutely spewing. I think he was under the impression that he'd laid the foundations for a modern, long-lasting and credible alternative to the Tories - how wrong he was. His legacy has been smashed by this.
Labour has now been 'hijacked' by a horde of lefty lunatics who think that aspiration is a dirty word and communism is cool. The only thing Corbyn could do as PM that I'd welcome is to get 'Citizen Smith' back on the telly.

"Power To The People!"

Slim


Slim

September 12, 2015, 18:08:01 pm #4 Last Edit: September 12, 2015, 18:38:55 pm by Slim
My only real concern is that he won't be able to hang on as leader until the next election, and someone a lot sharper and more charismatic than the candidates in the contest that came to an end today will emerge .. a sort of Blair of the 2010s, propelled by the backlash and infighting that must surely now take place in that party. Unlikely on balance but who knows?

I mean - some of the nominations for Corbyn to take part in this contest, and he only just scraped enough of them, came from MPs with no intention of voting for him. His own record of supporting the leadership of his party is abysmal and moderate Labour members in the Commons will (I suspect) feel no particular need to reward him with their own loyalty. Can he really hang on until 2020? I don't know. But even if he doesn't, the ensuing rage from the left would ensure carnage and mayhem in the Labour Party and that's not a big turn-on for the voters.

Labour had an uphill battle anyway - we will change the constituency boundaries to make them fairer and eliminate Labour's built-in advantage. It will be the work of many years, maybe a generation, for them to regain their Scottish seats if they can do it at all. A week is a long time in politics I know, but I can't help feeling I've seen the 2020 election results today. George Osborne is Prime Minister, with an increased Conservative majority.

Good :D

DavidL

Sound opinion

Quote from: Slim on September 12, 2015, 18:08:01 pm

I mean - some of the nominations for Corbyn to take part in this contest, and he only just scraped enough of them, came from MPs with no intention of voting for him.



They thought by including Corbyn in the contest he was going to hang himself and in so doing enshrine a 'centre-left' Blairite agenda for years to come. . They didn't count on disenchanted non-voters and young idealists with their heads full of cotton-wool making such an impact.
They sure look foolish now.
If he does look like hanging on until 2020 we might even see a breakaway party eventually being formed by the 'champagne socialists'.

Slim

Yes it's interesting that history really does repeat itself sometimes - another SDP? Look what happened to them though


Thailand Express

At least we might now have a clearcut ideological choice in mainstream UK politics, rather than all parties battling for the centre ground as it has been recently...

DavidL

Quote from: Thailand Express on September 12, 2015, 21:27:56 pm
At least we might now have a clearcut ideological choice in mainstream UK politics, rather than all parties battling for the centre ground as it has been recently...
The unfortunate consequence of this situation though is that it could mean that over the ensuing decades governments will be formed by parties espousing ideologies that are polarised. The resulting policies will see that what one goverrnment puts in place.........the next will dismantle. If this is the case, then no cause for celebration as the country will suffer. Certainly in policy areas such as the NHS, this would be damaging.
The best we can hope for is that Corbyn's lot find no favour with the electorate and never get a realistic chance of running the country.

Matt2112

September 13, 2015, 04:50:42 am #9 Last Edit: September 13, 2015, 05:01:13 am by Matt2112
Quote from: DavidL on September 12, 2015, 15:18:38 pm
Brilliant result!!
;D
The Labour Party is going to tear itself apart. One of the best aspects of this is the fact that Bliar must be absolutely spewing. I think he was under the impression that he'd laid the foundations for a modern, long-lasting and credible alternative to the Tories - how wrong he was. His legacy has been smashed by this.
Labour has now been 'hijacked' by a horde of lefty lunatics who think that aspiration is a dirty word and communism is cool. The only thing Corbyn could do as PM that I'd welcome is to get 'Citizen Smith' back on the telly.

"Power To The People!"


Absolutely on-the-button correct.

I'm no Tory but even I can see that Corbyn is, frankly, a lunatic.

With his appointment the Labour Party has gone from the quaintly inept to the surreal, self-loathing, cloud cuckoo land wet left that has somehow permeated the the right-on discourse recently.  I thought the demise of the LibDems and their subsequent appointment of Farron was embarrassing.  But that's nothing compared to putting this scatter-brained numpty in charge of your affairs.

I'm a liberal. I've always leant to the left of the fence.  But now I find myself asking where my representatives have suddenly disappeared to.  What's happened to the left?  Where have they all gone? They've become so open-minded their brains have fallen out and they're now called "progressives".

When you'd rather Cameron was in charge than that shower, you know you've been betrayed by sell-out do-gooders.  :-\
The keys to happiness

Thailand Express

You would think this would be good news for the Liberals, it's likely to leave a void in the centre for them to fill.

Up here in Scotland Corbyn may win back traditional Labour support from the SNP. An issue like Trident for example would be a vote winner if he managed to reverse party policy...

Slim

Yes I can see that it might help a Lib Dem resurgence, and it should definitely split the hard left vote in Scotland to a degree. But I think the void in the centre is there for the Conservative Party to take - I see us at the moment as a determinedly reforming, but avowedly centrist party. The promotion of single-sex marriage and the notion of a "living wage" for example - these are not the initiatives of an old-fashioned right wing party.

döm

Two quotes from this aricle I really liked...

"It is better to vote for what you want and not get it than to vote for what you don't want and get it." - attributed to Eugene Debs

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."  Gandhi

Here's the article itself, a good read...

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/sep/13/jeremy-corbyn-victory-energises-the-alienated-labour?CMP=soc_3156

From a personal perspective I think it's good for British Politics - be good to have a debate with genuine left wing ideas.  Hopefully it will shake things up a bit.
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Nick

Quote from: Thailand Express on September 13, 2015, 11:32:26 am
You would think this would be good news for the Liberals, it's likely to leave a void in the centre for them to fill.



Yes you would, but then I had to google who their leader was and wondered why he wasn't promoting the lib Dems all over the media. If now isn't the time!
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

DavidL

September 13, 2015, 21:18:44 pm #14 Last Edit: September 13, 2015, 21:23:26 pm by DavidL
Quote from: döm on September 13, 2015, 19:52:29 pm

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win."  Gandhi

Doesn't provide much succour to Labour supporters when, rather than applying to their opponents.......... it describes the shadow cabinet  ;)