The Beatles

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Chris Quartly playlist of previous 7 days:<br /><br /><br />Q's Comps<br /><br />Some Other Suckers Parade


Aren't they the obscure Rolling Stones wannabees??
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December 16, 2002, 04:37:25 am #3 Last Edit: December 16, 2002, 06:50:40 am by Slim
Culturally of course, the most important band of them all, by light years - indeed, they transcended popular music and the notion of being a 'band', they were a defining part of the decade which more than most defined the 20th Century - a cultural phenomenon at the epicentre of a global cultural explosion.

I am often amazed, though I lived through it, albeit as a child - to look back at the 1960s and consider how the world changed in those ten brief years from 1960 to 1969 - from the austere, uniform grey post-war era of the early '60s to the colourful, anything goes era of rock music, civil rights, long hair and wild clothes, social change.  It's even more amazing when you consider how little popular culture has changed in the last dozen years or so.  If you were somehow to take a record from one of today's bands back ten years, in most cases it wouldn't sound out of place.  Yet if you took a typical record from 1968 back only 5 years to 1963, it would be wildly out of place - culturally it would be freakishly alien.  Similarly, if I hopped in a Tardis back to 1992 I wouldn't bother to change.  But if I were to wear typical 1968 street clothes on a brief visit to 1963, I would most likely be arrested.

The Beatles are a very important part of that remarkable decade - whether, as I believe, they actually helped to define the sixties and change the world, or they were merely sitting on top of the ship and waving the flag, being blown along by the same winds of change as everyone else - their importance cannot be overestimated.

One of my favourite books, one that I return to over and over again is the excellent Revolution In The Head by Ian McDonald.  It gives a history and analysis of every Beatles song, but more interestingly it's an examination of the Beatles' place in the 1960s.

This is my favourite passage, about the release of Sergeant Pepper, which was perhaps the defining moment of the 1960s, the sunrise at the very dawn of the rock music culture which would persist for decades to follow:

In America normal radio play was virtually suspended for several days, only tracks from Sergeant Pepper being played.  An almost religious awe surrounded the LP.  Paul Kantner of Jefferson Airplane remembers how the Byrds' David Crosby brought a tape of Sergeant Pepper to their Seattle Hotel and played it all night in the lobby with a hundred young fans listening quietly on the stairs, as if rapt by a spiritual experience.  'Something', says Kantner, 'enveloped the whole world at that time and it just exploded into a renaissance'.

The psychic shiver which Sergeant Pepper sent through the world was nothing less than a cinematic dissolve  from one Zeitgeist to another.  In The Times, Kenneth Tynan called it 'a decisive moment in the history of Western civilisation'.
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A strange one for me.

When I was growing up in the 70's, my world was quite anti-Beatle, it was trendy & 'current' amongst my peers not to listen to the Beatles, but instead to be into Rush (yes Rush), Zep, The Clash, Punk etc. But of course, with the Beatles they are ever present, you can't escape them because they get so much radio play. They are the band that I knew 20 or 30 of their songs off by heart even though I never owned a record of theirs.

They are the band of Osmosis, like Elvis and unlike other bands like the Stones you absorb their songs, you remember the lyrics, the songs infiltrate your head, there is no escape.

Once I got into my 30's I suddenly realised I quite liked their music, and started to buy the CD's. I re-discovered the songs with new ears and I loved them, I became a true fan of their art, and what artists.

There is the catchy 60's early stuff, the songs that rolled off the production line and became back to back hits, then there are the thoughtful and complex later songs, the solo work and the amazing albums like Sgt Pepper.

When Lennon died I remember one friend at school being red eyed with grief, being the 'boys' we were, we mocked at this, when George Harrison died recently I felt a loss, I listened to his songs off the Beatles records and felt the tradgedy!

With my job, I book bands all of the time, I book Beatles tribute bands and the last one was in September. It was a Belgian Beatles band and they were magnificent. The music hit you straight away, the harmonies, the tunes, the melodies were fantastic, yet what struck me most was the love of the guests for the songs, they were smiling as each song was begun, they warmed to the band immediately. I asked my colleague who sings Beatles songs as part of his act how difficult they were, he said that although the songs sound very simple and straightforward, sometimes they are a lot more complex than they appear, and the vocal harmonies can be very tricky and far more difficult that one would imagine. One 'genius' of a keyboard player that we work with truly believes that Paul McCartney is quite possibly one of the most talented human beings musically that has ever lived!

I think in my early formative years I would do the opposite to what I was told or asked to do, and I think this is what made me ignore the band deliberately, they were the band my Mother liked, my friends parents liked them, and they represented the 'older' generation to me and were not for me. Today, my 2 sons (14 & 16) constantly borrow my Beatles CD's, they love them, Thomas is a huge Lennon fan and they have the wit to see the band for what they are, the most important band ever.

Like Slim say's, it is arguable that they rode the crest of a generation, they may even have created the wave!

Personally, I think they eclipse all other bands for their achievement, almost every band since has been influenced by them at some point. Even Rush played a Beatles song in their earliest gigs.

They also are a timely reminder of our own ageing and mortality, when Lennon died I was 17, when Harrison died I was 39, the other two - when they go - will see me even older, a very humbling thought.

Finally, on a happier note, I accidently caught Paul McCartney on the Queen's Jubilee party, I thought he was magnificent a true musical genius.


December 16, 2002, 15:01:40 pm #5 Last Edit: December 17, 2002, 00:24:45 am by Mark_Williams

Rubber Soul is one of my all-time favourite albums.

Not bad for a bunch of amateurs


QuoteI started a thread on the Beatles ages ago, but withdrew it when Chris had a go at me

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To hone in on one song is perhaps unfair, but Helter Skelter is where its at for me.

That bass line is THE BOMB.

Chris Quartly


My apologies Mark.

I did look but couldn't find one, now I know why.

He is very bossy isn't he? playlist of previous 7 days:<br /><br /><br />Q's Comps<br /><br />Some Other Suckers Parade


Well, there is a lot to be said about these 4 guys (and most of it has already been said, here and in other places..)

I like Slim's post here....The Beatles were far more than just 4 talented musicians/songwriters....they changed the world.

I have read a couple of books about The Beatles, and also biographies about John Lennon and Paul McCartney, and they were/are amazing people.

So - instead of writing a book here, I will just list my favourite albums:

1. Revolver
2. Rubber Soul
3. Abbey Road
4. Sgt. Pepper
5. For Sale
6. A Hard Day's Night
7. White Album (Some great songs/Some NOT!)
8. With The Beatles
9. Please Please Me
10. Let it be (I think Phil Spector ruined this producion)

I also like "Live at the BBC", but it was released long, long after it's time, so I kept it out of my list. I've got "Anthology 1-3" and some songs are really good, but many of the songs are outtakes....and they made the right decision when they took 'em out...IMHO. But they are great fun to have...


QuoteI've got "Anthology 1-3" and some songs are really good, but many of the songs are outtakes....and they made the right decision when they took 'em out...IMHO. But they are great fun to have...

I agree, some of them are unfinished and are only presented on the Anthology albums as being of historical interest.  However, some of the previously unreleased material is stunning - the alternative versions of 'Got To Get You Into My Life' and 'Strawberry Fields' for example.
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February 12, 2003, 18:50:20 pm #12 Last Edit: March 03, 2003, 20:13:49 pm by Micke.K
Yeah, I like those too. ;D

And a couple of the live tracks on "Anthology 1" are really good, especially those recorded in Sweden, for Swedish radio. They have this great raw sound, with just the right amount of distortion....I love "Money" from that session

I read somewhere that the swedish technichian had approached John Lennon after the recording and apologized for the sound: "I'm really sorry John for the distortion"

John Lennon said: "We love distortion!!!! Great sound!"


Wow, two years since anyone posted in this thread! I think there must be another Beatles thread somewhere.

Anyway, just a brief note to say that the Internet has a brand new Beatles forum, for European fans - Dig It. I know TNMS has a few Beatles fans, so if you'd like to turn up and take part (we don't have a lot of contributions so far!) please do.
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Just had a peep - I'll be over later James, save me a seat will you? :D