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Brexit watch

Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 17:02:39 pm

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Malcolm invokes the Falklands and you've both somehow managed to Trump him with Hitler! Fair play!
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

Slim



https://www.ft.com/content/692768f4-17a3-11e7-a53d-df09f373be87

"Central banks are dumping euros amid concerns over political instability, weak growth and the European Central Bank's negative interest rate policy -- and favour sterling as a long-term, stable alternative."

Richard_2112

Quote from: DavidL on April 03, 2017, 07:16:58 am
Indeed.
"Come on in Mr Hitler. Sit down by the fire whilst I make you a nice cup to tea and then we'll take a look at your papers and you can tell me where to sign them"
An approach Farron and co would have been proud of.

And that right there is pretty much everything wrong with Tory Leavers like you and Slim. Hate to break the reality to you but we weren't at war with the EU before the referendum, nor were we under some sort of tyrannical dictatorship. If you can name for me one act of oppression the EU imposed on us that couldn't have been directly vetoed by our own sovereign government I will start to back Brexit 100% - until then I'm going to remain very pessimistic about the whole fiasco.
Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind. Withering my intuition, missing opportunities and I must feed my will to feel my moment drawing way outside the lines.

DavidL

Quote from: Richard_2112 on April 03, 2017, 22:33:47 pm
And that right there is pretty much everything wrong with Tory Leavers like you and Slim. Hate to break the reality to you but we weren't at war with the EU before the referendum, nor were we under some sort of tyrannical dictatorship. If you can name for me one act of oppression the EU imposed on us that couldn't have been directly vetoed by our own sovereign government I will start to back Brexit 100% - until then I'm going to remain very pessimistic about the whole fiasco.
Think you've got the wrong end of the stick there. The analogy was purely to reinforce my opinion that Farron is a craven little weasel who could never be relied on to stand up for Britain's interests by sanctioning military intervention if needed.
Thanks for the lesson in European politics, anyway.

Bisto

What "lesson" was that then?
No good deed goes unpunished!

No amount of anxiety can change the future. No amount of regret can change the past.

DavidL

Quote from: Bisto on April 03, 2017, 23:16:51 pm
What "lesson" was that then?
1) We weren't at war with the EU before the referendum
2) We were not under some sort of tyrannical dictatorship
I appreciate being put right on those two points, at least.

Slim

Quote from: Richard_2112 on April 03, 2017, 22:33:47 pm
And that right there is pretty much everything wrong with Tory Leavers like you and Slim. Hate to break the reality to you but we weren't at war with the EU before the referendum, nor were we under some sort of tyrannical dictatorship. If you can name for me one act of oppression the EU imposed on us that couldn't have been directly vetoed by our own sovereign government I will start to back Brexit 100% - until then I'm going to remain very pessimistic about the whole fiasco.


Ah Richard - I hate instantly to negate the whole point of your post, but we weren't at war with Hitler until 1939, either.

Bisto

I guess we all live in alternate versions of reality.
No good deed goes unpunished!

No amount of anxiety can change the future. No amount of regret can change the past.

Slim

Yes, that's true. There are though some truths which don't budge no matter what your perspective is on them, but there aren't many of those in politics.

NeilP


DavidL


Nïckslïkk2112

Quote from: NeilP on April 04, 2017, 15:10:16 pm
More good news, let's hope this one doesn't become a reality

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/04/uk-jobs-merkel-juncker-euro-clearing-eu-manfred-weber-brexit

What happens though if the Euro goes tits up? It's not an impossibility.
Where will these jobs be squeezed in in Europe? Paris and Frankfurt are both ranked in the high 20s of the World's financial services cities.

All this highlights the big problems of the EU, it finds it hard to look beyond its own little zone, yet it's a global economy out there. What really big trade deals has it managed to sort? Not a fat lot, it wants to have ever closer union and yet too many competing vested interests are able to poke their noses into things and either stop things happening or make things into a long-winded drawn out process with too many compromises.

The remoaners are always banging on about the Brexiteers lack of contingency planning, but exactly what have they got planned for the collapse of the EU project? Now that is more likely to lead to wars than Brexit.
Legend in my own Mind


NeilP

April 04, 2017, 23:35:33 pm #957 Last Edit: April 04, 2017, 23:38:00 pm by NeilP
The Euro will only fail if Le Pen/Putin strike lucky I guess... I suspect if she fails then the currency will rebound.

It's a Brexiteers myth that Remainers want Brexit to fail and will make sure it happens, it's just that most Remainers cannot see anything but a downside, besides if you were going to damage the UK you would probably go "well the Union looks fecked, the car industry, high tech, any ideas?

DavidL

April 05, 2017, 07:18:00 am #958 Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 07:23:23 am by DavidL
Quote from: NeilP on April 04, 2017, 23:35:33 pm
The Euro will only fail if Le Pen/Putin strike lucky I guess... I suspect if she fails then the currency will rebound.

'Luck' is not involved in the failure of the euro. Tying a number of vastly disparate economies to a single currency was foolish. Nothing represents the EU's blind devotion to their federalist dogma better.

Bisto

April 05, 2017, 08:34:26 am #959 Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 09:15:26 am by Bisto
Accuse me of fear mongering and lack of confidence and belief in the ability of British Industry (sniggers....stop laughing at the back there!) and the political establishment to forge a brave and bright new shiny, British Economic future if you like but, as much as I see the huge flaws and drawbacks of unfettered Federalism and abhor the lack of accountability, potential for economic piracy, vampirism and the sheer waste of Brussels, I can't help believing (despite all that) that a reformed European Union with the UK at the negotiating table, influencing policy and shaping the future offered us the best hope of a more secure, peaceful and prosperous Europe and UK in the long term.

If the EU project fails in the near future it won't just be because of the Brexit but the UK will take a huge amount of the blame for it, whether its justified or not. Regardless of whether that happens or not, English companies will struggle to find viable markets within Europe due to trade tariffs and layers of bureaucracy and red tape. England and English people are and will be resented throughout central Europe and you can bet your bottom pound sterling that the Fright Wing Media will ensure that tensions are ramped up, old rivalries are rekindled and all manner of long standing cultural, social and political prejudices and stereotypes will be dusted down, brushed up and reinforced.
No good deed goes unpunished!

No amount of anxiety can change the future. No amount of regret can change the past.