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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #720 on: March 05, 2017, 20:15:24 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39151755

Fair's fair, Hilary Benn actually expresses a bit of concern for British people as well as immigrants, as quoted in that piece. Surprising for a Labour politician, but credit where it's due.

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #721 on: March 05, 2017, 20:50:03 PM »
Fair's fair, Hilary Benn actually expresses a bit of concern for British people as well as immigrants, as quoted in that piece. Surprising for a Labour politician, but credit where it's due.


That raises an interesting question, I think.  Who should a UK politician have more concern for. Someone born abroad now living and working in the UK or the reverse. I think the former. Someone currently contributing to the economy and society deserves more attention than someone who does the reverse.  So Hilary don't concern yourself with me, save your concern for an Irish born national currently living in the UK.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #722 on: March 05, 2017, 23:35:44 PM »
That raises an interesting question, I think.  Who should a UK politician have more concern for. Someone born abroad now living and working in the UK or the reverse. I think the former.

I think citizenship is the critical factor. Government has a considerably greater responsibility to its own citizens, irrespective of their present location, than it has to the citizens of other countries resident in the UK.

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #723 on: March 06, 2017, 10:47:56 AM »
He's sound is our Hilary.  Corbyn sacked him from the Shadow Cabinet, which of course proves it.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #725 on: March 10, 2017, 08:06:13 AM »
He's a great man is RD, with whom I almost never disagree.

On this however, it's just the same old familiar moot argument, and while there may be the odd fair point, it's generally mere post hoc hand-wringing over what's gone.

We need astute commentary on the way forward, not pointless complaining.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #727 on: March 10, 2017, 11:20:51 AM »
He's a great man is RD, with whom I almost never disagree.

On this however, it's just the same old familiar moot argument, and while there may be the odd fair point, it's generally mere post hoc hand-wringing over what's gone.

We need astute commentary on the way forward, not pointless complaining.
Contradicts himself in the first minute. Another sore loser who likes to call everyone who disagrees with him ignorant. Also puts great store in those with a PHD in economics - not that clever then are you, Richard? He's right about one thing, the arrogance of Cameron.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #728 on: March 10, 2017, 11:45:16 AM »
Contradicts himself in the first minute. Another sore loser who likes to call everyone who disagrees with him ignorant. Also puts great store in those with a PHD in economics - not that clever then are you, Richard? He's right about one thing, the arrogance of Cameron.
The British people have spoken....you just didn't like what they had to say.


Yes, I'd expect much better from someone who is a master of popularising science, critical thinking and eloquent expression; his normally rigorous standards have slipped on this one.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #729 on: March 10, 2017, 12:30:51 PM »
I thought he spoke a lot of sense - question of perspective I suppose !
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #730 on: March 10, 2017, 12:31:06 PM »
it seemed a coherent argument to me, suggesting DC was at fault for not insisting on the 'what if' scenario with a significant majority etc - mostly due to his fear of UKiP

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #731 on: March 10, 2017, 13:27:13 PM »
it seemed a coherent argument to me, suggesting DC was at fault for not insisting on the 'what if' scenario with a significant majority etc - mostly due to his fear of UKiP
To have insisted on a 'significant'  majority would have engendered even more mistrust of the political class. Cameron wanted to be seen as an 'honest broker' in the selling of the referendum to the British people. He was done up like a KIPper! Out of touch and arrogant - typical of many of his ilk. Of course Dawkins only argues the case now as he believes it would have preserved the status quo of which he is so fond - crying over spilt milk.
Milton Friedman's "beware the tyranny of the status quo", never seemed so apt.

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #732 on: March 10, 2017, 13:52:56 PM »
RD's argument in this case is pretty coherent in and of itself, it's just moot, retrospective and doesn't add anything.  He's a far better mind than this.

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #733 on: March 10, 2017, 17:32:55 PM »
To have insisted on a 'significant'  majority would have engendered even more mistrust of the political class. Cameron wanted to be seen as an 'honest broker' in the selling of the referendum to the British people. He was done up like a KIPper! Out of touch and arrogant - typical of many of his ilk. Of course Dawkins only argues the case now as he believes it would have preserved the status quo of which he is so fond - crying over spilt milk.
Milton Friedman's "beware the tyranny of the status quo", never seemed so apt.


Well he was saying this last year in fairness


http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/eu-referendum-richard-dawkins-brexit-23rd-june-ignoramuses

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #734 on: March 10, 2017, 17:33:43 PM »