Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 17:02:39 pm
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Quote from: döm on February 22, 2017, 10:20:44 amThat's sure to placate the large numbers of people who believed they were voting to stop immigration from Europe. What is Brexit again ?
Quote from: Matt2112 on February 22, 2017, 10:36:26 amThey voted to prevent immigration from Europe of all and sundry, not those who can genuinely contribute. It's dismaying to see how it's easy to throw strawman arguments around when Remainers and Brexiters talk past each other. Time we all got over these sort of moot discussions and got on with dealing with the prevailing decision.
Quote from: döm on February 22, 2017, 08:35:25 amSo David Davis has bizarrely indicated that the UK will continue to allow the free movement of Labour from the EU post brexit, including low skilled workers.You have to ask what's the point of it all?
Quote from: döm on February 22, 2017, 10:51:15 amI thought that was already in place. Did Cameron not get a deal prior to the referendum limiting social welfare payments for newly arrived immigrants from Europe?
Quote from: DavidL on February 22, 2017, 13:50:29 pmThe point here is that the decision to allow this situation will be taken by a UK (elected) government. I made the point a while back that a compromise may be reached whereby those with guaranteed work placements will still be allowed to come to the UK. The point is, who has the control over immigaration. If the party in government is deemed by the majority of the electorate to be allowing too much inward migration, they can be replaced by another that stands on a manifesto promise of reducing it. That choice is what the majority of the population would like.
Quote from: DavidL on February 22, 2017, 14:01:02 pmHe may have done but that would have been implemented as a condition of the UK remaining a member of the EU. That 'concession' was/is a long way from handing control of EU migration to the UK government which, hopefully, leaving the EU will secure.
Quote from: DavidL on February 23, 2017, 13:47:54 pmGDP figures for last quarter of 2016 exceeded ONS expectations. Export volumes increased as imports fell adding 1.3% to GDP, the biggest contribution from this source for six years.Despite the gloomy predictions, the vote to leave the EU appears to have boosted the economy not weakened it. It's pretty much irrefutable now that the prophesying from the Remain campaign of immediate and profound economic damage was bullshit.
Quote from: Bisto on February 23, 2017, 15:18:32 pmThats quite a statement, considering the fact that we haven't left the EU yet, all we've had is a vote. We're in unchartered waters...companies, financial institutions, entrepeneurs, trading partners etc. are all hedging their bets until they can see which way the post Brexit land lies. What may well turn out to be bad for the UK economy and its citizens isn't necessarily all bad for big business, who won't give a rat's arse what happens to Joe Public as long as they can turn a massive profit and continue to weasel their way out of paying their full UK tax liabilities.
Quote from: DavidL on February 23, 2017, 16:11:17 pmIt's a true and factual statement. We were never going to leave the EU on June 24th.
Quote from: döm on February 23, 2017, 16:24:58 pmYes to be fair to you David, you have consistently been making the point that there were people on the remain side of the argument who claimed that there would be an immediate negative impact to the UK economy if the majority voted to leave. That hasn't happened. We'll just have to wait and see the real impact to people's lives by leaving the EU as it gets closer and of course when it finally happens. But will we ever know for sure ? Unfortunately we can't skip to a parallel universe to see how the UK would be coping while still being a member of the EU. No control experiment will ever be able to show us.
Quote from: NeilP on February 23, 2017, 16:39:43 pmhttp://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/brexit-rise-superliar/
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