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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #270 on: December 02, 2016, 18:58:23 PM »
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #271 on: December 03, 2016, 08:38:13 AM »
Sarah Olney MP got immediately skewered by Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.  It's on YouTube is you want a listen.  Welcome to the big leagues, Sarah...
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #272 on: December 03, 2016, 13:37:30 PM »
Sarah Olney MP got immediately skewered by Julia Hartley-Brewer on Talk Radio.  It's on YouTube is you want a listen.  Welcome to the big leagues, Sarah...


Well, Sarah Olney was pitiful in that interview and that was far, far too easy for Hartley-Brewer who did a professional job.  It wasn't like those questions were especially unanswerable, Olney was clearly unprepared and simply inept.  Bailing out was the ultimate embarrassment and she shamed herself, her party and her voters - must brush up on that media training and show some nads post-haste.


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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #273 on: December 03, 2016, 18:52:49 PM »

Well, Sarah Olney was pitiful in that interview and that was far, far too easy for Hartley-Brewer who did a professional job.  It wasn't like those questions were especially unanswerable, Olney was clearly unprepared and simply inept.  Bailing out was the ultimate embarrassment and she shamed herself, her party and her voters - must brush up on that media training and show some nads post-haste.
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 'Air pollution promoting' Lib 'Dem' exposed as just another pious, contemptuous liberal air-head. That would've wiped the smile of that little weasel Farron's face, for sure. After his ridiculous grandstanding about the by-election result (and what it stood for) he deserves nothing less. Bit soon to crow about a march back to political relevance, I feel - even with one extra, there's still a few spare seats on the minibus for the Lib'Dem' MP's Xmas outing.  ;D

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #274 on: December 04, 2016, 01:22:32 AM »
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Yes, Farron couldn't contain himself the morning after; so much so he took his eye off the ball and forgot to ensure his platoon's new recruit had been properly briefed and prepped for the media circuit.  Did they really expect not to be grilled and scrutinized in their heady moment of glory?

They really need the sort of political nous good old Charlie boy had.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #275 on: December 05, 2016, 10:57:56 AM »

Well, Sarah Olney was pitiful in that interview and that was far, far too easy for Hartley-Brewer who did a professional job.  It wasn't like those questions were especially unanswerable, Olney was clearly unprepared and simply inept.  Bailing out was the ultimate embarrassment and she shamed herself, her party and her voters - must brush up on that media training and show some nads post-haste.

I don't think she expected to win.  She's only been political for eighteen months.  Would have done better to flatten the learning curve by serving as a councillor first.

Liberal values are quite hard to communicate because they lack the simple tropes of the Tories - 'we are the party of economic competence' - and Labour - 'we are the party of the workers'.  What does Open, Tolerant, United mean, specifically?  Though Clegg did a redoubtable job yesterday, standing up to Andrew Neil on BBC Sunday Politics.  He's their only heavyweight left. 

I think a lot of London Labour MPs are bricking it, though, after their supporters voted Lib Dem in the thousands and their man lost his deposit.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #276 on: December 05, 2016, 11:00:51 AM »
Meanwhile, the Italians say NO - meaning further instability in the Eurozone and a possible incursion by their own alt-right populists.  Another iceberg about to fall off the EU glacier?

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« Reply #277 on: December 05, 2016, 14:43:45 PM »

The LDs were burned down to the grassroots last year but are re-emerging, winning 75 council seats including since the last main round, often with with 20% swings, doubling their membership since the Referendum.  With Labour lurching left and locked in internecene cold war, and the Tories taking on the populist mantle, there is fertile ground in the centre.  Their problem is a lack of funds - they lack the big biz support of the Tories and the union support of Labour.  Also, Tim Farron does not inspire much, his fiery performance on BBCQT notwithstanding.  I think he is an interim leader for them.

Sounds like some serious "straw-clutching" to me...

The Lib Debs shot themselves in the foot, the leg and the bollocks when they went into coalition with the Torys....it'll be a long time before they make a real recovery - if ever.

The recent victory was against a Tory standing as a independent with Brexit baggage and some moral high ground and no Tory or UKIP candidate. Anyone voting labour in the seat would be seen as a raving loony.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #278 on: December 05, 2016, 14:59:21 PM »
Sounds like some serious "straw-clutching" to me...

The Lib Debs shot themselves in the foot, the leg and the bollocks when they went into coalition with the Torys....it'll be a long time before they make a real recovery - if ever.

The recent victory was against a Tory standing as a independent with Brexit baggage and some moral high ground and no Tory or UKIP candidate. Anyone voting labour in the seat would be seen as a raving loony.

A Tory or UKIP candidate standing would just have increased the Lib-Dem majority, that's why they didn't stand.  To give the pro-brexiteer Tory in all but name a chance of holding onto his seat.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #279 on: December 05, 2016, 18:11:26 PM »
Meanwhile, the Italians say NO - meaning further instability in the Eurozone and a possible incursion by their own alt-right populists.  Another iceberg about to fall off the EU glacier?


If a political crisis in Italy meant the European Union was in trouble it wouldn't have made it into the 1960s....

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #280 on: December 06, 2016, 09:38:30 AM »

If a political crisis in Italy meant the European Union was in trouble it wouldn't have made it into the 1960s....


True, Renzi lasted 2 years. That's pretty good going for an Italian pm
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #281 on: December 06, 2016, 09:55:19 AM »
Sounds like some serious "straw-clutching" to me...

The Lib Debs shot themselves in the foot, the leg and the bollocks when they went into coalition with the Torys....it'll be a long time before they make a real recovery - if ever.

What was their alternative in 2010? Coalition with an exhausted New Labour would not have resulted in a majority, at a time when the economy was close to falling off a cliff. Stability was needed - the Lib Dems provided it, and the deficit reduction plan came from their Danny Alexander.


Right now, the Richmond result has ended the possibility of a snap election. If just twenty Tory pro-Remain seats fell to the Lib Dems, surfing the wave of anger from the 48%, the Tories would lose their majority.

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #282 on: December 06, 2016, 10:41:35 AM »
What was their alternative in 2010? Coalition with an exhausted New Labour would not have resulted in a majority, at a time when the economy was close to falling off a cliff. Stability was needed - the Lib Dems provided it, and the deficit reduction plan came from their Danny Alexander.


Right now, the Richmond result has ended ethe possibility of a snap election. If just twenty Tory pro-Remain seats fell to the Lib Dems, surfing the wave of anger from the 48%, the Tories would lose their majority.


Being the minor party in a coalition always seems to really hurt.


In Ireland over the course of the last 10 years the Progressive Democrats have been wiped completely from the political map. The Green party have just started to recover from virtual Armageddon and the Labour party have been completely decimated.  What do they have in common?  All formed a coalition as a minor party in Government.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #283 on: December 06, 2016, 12:00:19 PM »
What was their alternative in 2010? Coalition with an exhausted New Labour would not have resulted in a majority, at a time when the economy was close to falling off a cliff. Stability was needed - the Lib Dems provided it, and the deficit reduction plan came from their Danny Alexander.


Plus workers got a wage rise as part of the deal; wouldn't have happened without the Lib Demerals.  A couple of pints every month - cheers, Cleggie!  8)
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #284 on: December 06, 2016, 15:13:57 PM »
Theresa, Boris and Co are going to have a very tough and busy couple of years ahead...


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michel-barnier-brexit-latest-october-2018-a7458401.html


I actually wrote an essay about this guy when I was on my year abroad doing my degree 30 years ago (my God!).  Albertville had been awarded the Winter Olympics and he was a local politician who had promised lots of towns and villages that various competions from the games would be held in their localities.  He did this to garner support.  When the games were awarded the number of venues shrank drastically and not surprisingly annoyed a lot of people.


I think the EU have chosen well. He's a very capable negotiator not afraid of using a trick or two.
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