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Brexit watch

Started by Nick, October 20, 2016, 17:02:39 pm

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Moving Target

October 27, 2016, 21:57:36 pm #75 Last Edit: October 27, 2016, 22:18:38 pm by Moving Target
The plot thickens in Richmond Park as UKIP say they will not stand and throw their weight behind Goldsmith.


So it looks like Zac / UKIP vs. Lib Dems / Labour / maybe Greens.


Zac has screwed this up. He wants to make this a referendum on LHR expansion when the LDs are passionately against airport expansion in the South East.  So it will be about Brexit and most Richmonders are 48ers.

Slim

Quote from: döm on October 27, 2016, 21:03:26 pm

True, the whole thing was a farce.  How can it be democratic when the majority on both sides didn't have a clue what they were voting for? Far too complex a question with such a multitude of consequences that it should never have been a question for a referendum.


It's not a hard question. Should we be in the EU, or not? That's the question. For some reason you didn't seem to have any trouble formulating an answer Dom, but for some reason you suppose that others have great difficulty with it.

One thing we can be sure we were voting for was to leave the single market. Prominent politicians on both sides of the argument made that crystal clear.

Slim

Quote from: Moving Target on October 27, 2016, 21:57:36 pm
The plot thickens in Richmond Park as UKIP say they will not stand and throw their weight behind Goldsmith.


So it looks like Zac / UKIP vs. Lib Dems / Labour / maybe Greens.


Zac has screwed this up. He wants to make this a referendum on LHR expansion when the LDs are passionately against airport expansion in the South East.  So it will be about Brexit


Why?

Moving Target

Quote from: Slim on October 27, 2016, 22:14:48 pm
Why?
Because the majority of Richmonders voted Remain and will use this by-election as a protest vote.

Slim

Futile to protest against the democratically expressed will of the British People, really. I think it will be about the Heathrow expansion.

DavidL

October 28, 2016, 13:45:58 pm #80 Last Edit: October 28, 2016, 13:49:19 pm by DavidL
Interesting to see that France will struggle to hit yearly GDP growth target after  missing expectations for Q3 (0.2% actual). Contrast with 'Remoaner-defying' Q3 figure of 0.5% for UK. Hopefully the trend will continue.
Make us pay more for their wine? I don't think so.
"Allez les Rosbifs!"

döm

Quote from: DavidL on October 28, 2016, 13:45:58 pm
Interesting to see that France will struggle to hit yearly GDP growth target after  missing expectations for Q3 (0.2% actual). Contrast with 'Remoaner-defying' Q3 figure of 0.5% for UK. Hopefully the trend will continue.
Make us pay more for their wine? I don't think so.
"Allez les Rosbifs!"



Try again when the UK has actually left the EU.  Good try though!
You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

DavidL

Quote from: döm on October 28, 2016, 14:00:18 pm

Try again when the UK has actually left the EU.  Good try though!
Classic 'Remoaning'  ;)

Moving Target

Quote from: Slim on October 28, 2016, 09:48:08 am
Futile to protest against the democratically expressed will of the British People, really. I think it will be about the Heathrow expansion.
So it was futile for people to vote Tory during the Blair government? That government was the democratically expressed will of the people, wasn't it? Are you sure that the May plan represents the will of the people, especially when so many say they would change their Referendum vote to Remain?



But you could be right on your second point. Despite 70% of Richmond Park having voted Remain, and despite both candidates opposing Heathrow expansion it seems from my twitter feeds that this will be the issue.

DavidL

Quote from: Moving Target on October 29, 2016, 07:16:25 am
So it was futile for people to vote Tory during the Blair government? That government was the democratically expressed will of the people, wasn't it? Are you sure that the May plan represents the will of the people, especially when so many say they would change their Referendum vote to Remain?

The most recent YouGov poll shows there is still a narrow majority for Leave. In addition over 50% believe Theresa May is doing a good job in terms of handling Brexit as opposed to around 25% who say she isn't.

Nick

So it looks as if a "special" deal was done with Nissan, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37815864

So now BREXIT is going to cause further ructions between UK manufacturing businesses, banks and automotive industry will be cushioned while the rest can swing. Boris and co. have really done the country over.
So the apparent good news from the leavers is nothing more than a favourable subsidy. Don't forget Renault has a 44% stake in Nissan, so we are indirectly subsidising them as well.

The best deal was the deal we had , still waiting for good news from the leavers.
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

Nïckslïkk2112

Quote from: Nick on October 30, 2016, 17:02:23 pm
Don't forget Renault has a 44% stake in Nissan

Probably all done through illegal subsidies from the French Government. Never, ever trust anything the French do.

Mind, if I were in charge Nissan wouldn't be making any cars in the UK and we wouldn't be importing Renault - or indeed any French cars - as I would have a Ministry of Aesthetics and the ugly products of these companies would be banned. They almost make the Austin Allegro look good...
Legend in my own Mind


Nick

Meanwhile the French speaking Canadians have completed their 7 year CETA negotiations and now have a market of 508 million people to target with 98% of tariffs removed. We are in reverse.

I'll concede the Citroen Cactus to Nickslikk, hope we haven't lost the design plans to the Austin Princess.
Everybody's got to evalate from the norm.

döm

Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 30, 2016, 17:26:17 pm
Probably all done through illegal subsidies from the French Government. Never, ever trust anything the French do.

Mind, if I were in charge Nissan wouldn't be making any cars in the UK and we wouldn't be importing Renault - or indeed any French cars - as I would have a Ministry of Aesthetics and the ugly products of these companies would be banned. They almost make the Austin Allegro look good...



Makes you wonder how they manage to sell so many cars.



You can check out any time you like but you can never leave!

Nïckslïkk2112

Quote from: döm on October 30, 2016, 18:53:06 pm

Makes you wonder how they manage to sell so many cars.

Look at the sort of music that sells...
Legend in my own Mind