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Started by mwoody, November 11, 2008, 21:54:08 pm

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mwoody

 thought it was about time to show my face on here again after many months away.
      2008 has been a bad year for the band. We only played one gig (in galway) where we were badly let down with 'broken promises' and i ended up with a Ã,£500 loss from the whole thing. Clearly we love to play the music we love, but not enough to plough loads of our own cash at it for no return. The outlay on equipment is vast, so it had to stop. We never went into this to make huge lumps of cash (just really to break even) and enjoy ourselves, and hope that the punters did too.
      i would like to thank everyone who travelled over to the gig, hope it was worth it. i/we learnt a lesson which was 'never trust anyone, even from here'.
      There are no more 'counterparts' gigs planned for the rest of the year, or any for next year either for that matter. Have we split/fell out?...........no we are still all best of friends, and i still go down fleetwood for a grand night out, i even watch 'fleetwood town' now. I think it's fair to say that we will have a different line up slightly when we play again, only because we have all moved into other projects this year. Daz, rob and phil, have been writing there own songs and playing them at fleetwoodstock a few weeks back. The set also included yyz with bass player 'john', who is also writing with the guys. 'Al' formed a covers band, which were set to gig a few months back. Sadly the guitarist left with only a day or so before there first gig, and he has been finding it hard to find a replacement. Iv'e been to auditions for bands around the northwest. And next week i start in a 'iron maiden/priest trib band based in wigan.
       I will have news soon on the new look 'counterparts', but i will say that me,al and daz are also planning to get involved in a covers band in the new year. We are looking for the right person for the drums and guitar at the moment. So all in all next year could/should be a good one for all of us.
       

ta

woody.

p.s sorry to here about the 'tom sawyer' split
/;

mickpaz2112

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I've seen United,
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Muppet

Thanks for the update Woody.  Keep us posted mate  :)
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ianb

November 23, 2008, 12:54:59 pm #3 Last Edit: November 24, 2008, 09:22:08 am by ianb
Hey Woody

An all too familiar story mate and its good to compare notes on your experiences.

Doing Rush is an all consuming and expensive pastime. You've got to travel a lot to get gigs (and band members!) and as you say there's a lot of specialist gear to invest in too. Then there's the major intrusion on your family life as you need to spend so much time keeping on top of the playing - both at home or in rehearsals and of course be on the road too. Then there's the endless behind the scenes admin work - networking (mostly reluctant) venues (with managers who are never available when you call) via phone and email for bookings, poster design, printing, advert design and sourcing suitable press, sending deposits, tracking ticket sales, haggling over fee/door share deals.... the list goes on and on and that's practically a full time job in itself!

Its a tall order to say the least!

To my mind it's something that is firmly in the realms of the professional tribute venture or for people with lots of spare time and cash to burn - certainly neither of which we had in abundance in the last line-up of TS that's for sure. With a better than usual attendance The Ferry gig last month might just have saw us break even on the years outlay (not counting the cost of all the rehearsals at Ã,£150 a hit!) but as it transpired we ended up well out of pocket - we're talking 4 figures here. I can only guess at my ex colleagues motivations for setting up 'Sawyer' which is something of a mystery saying as TS was really hard going for them - even limping along the way we were throughout 2008. But it would certainly take some time and serious attendance upturns to re-coup previous outlays and risk of further loss would make that doubtful reasoning.

You're never going to make loads of dosh from trib-ing Rush either way and I don't think that is realitically what anyone does this for so it needs to be something of a labour of love - but as you say its fair to say you shouldn't bankrupt yourself either and you've got to be sensible. It was worse still for me being someone who does music to earn a crust. I was refraining from doing much more profitable (or should I just say profitable!) ventures in favour of TS. I've often 'joked' that it was comparable to someone going (and paying lots) to play golf twice a week when they should in fact be at work!

Like yourself Woody - I'm still keen to do a Rush tribute but its got to be done realistically and exceptionally well. Not least to get enough Rush fans interested to make it viable. I think because Rush are so perfectionistic in what they do that the tribs need to be perfectionistic too and anything falling short of that is only of interest to the hard core Rush fans as we've all proven over the years. It needs to be top notch to get the average person buying into it and to see the sort of turnouts that other tribute bands get - Limehouse Lizzy, Whole Lotta Led etc etc....

It's also fair to say that its as good as impossible to get promotors interested in a Rush tribute which I think is something 2112 have been trying to do too if I'm reading what they're saying correctly about getting management? Therefore its really hard (and expensive) to advertise and promote gigs yourself and you're always at the mercy of what (usually very little) publicity the venues provide - especially when you're miles away from your own familiar areas. We went all the way to Dartford to play to a crowd of 35 with a loss of over Ã,£1K - and an all time low of 25 folk at Dumfries! (Huge thanks to all who did make the effort to come along to those gigs - Lucy and all!!!).

So I can only wish all the best to all the current batch of operating Rush tribs - even 'Sawyer' - as anyone who does it needs a medal for sure (and a lottery win maybe? ;D)! I hope I can catch a gig or two.

Hope you do well with your new projects mate.

See you around.

Ian.

'A modern day warrior mean mean stride'

Richard_2112

Quote from: ianb on November 23, 2008, 12:54:59 pm
I can only guess at my ex colleagues motivations for setting up 'Sawyer' which is something of a mystery saying as TS was really hard going for them - even limping along the way we were throughout 2008. But it would certainly take some time and serious attendance upturns to re-coup previous outlays.


Totally not needed. I though you'd been told not to bring your personal beefs into TNMS?
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ianb

November 23, 2008, 21:18:27 pm #5 Last Edit: November 24, 2008, 08:40:15 am by ianb
Hi Richard

You've read that in the wrong the light mate. I'm merely stating that I found it a bit surprising that the guys were continuing given that the band split due to the pressure of it - esp for one of them in particular - it was a total struggle for him to continue at all.... or so I was being led to believe anyhow. (Insert sound of me scratcing my wooden top). We had already decided to call it a day months ago due to peoples circumstances. I can see how you've read it but its in context with the rest of my post. My whole post is about the difficulties of doing a Rush trib band and why things often go wrong for many of us. Just me comparing notes with Woody. Sorry if I'm not a literary genius and that my meanderings can be misconstrued due to my phrasing!  ;D ;) ::)

Tom Sawyer stands a good chance of being ready to gig again very soon if all goes to plan so there's no need for this dude to carry on with any beefs with anyone and that wasn't the intended sentiment.

I'll keep you posted.
'A modern day warrior mean mean stride'

mwoody

Quote from: ianb on November 23, 2008, 12:54:59 pm
Hey Woody

An all too familiar story mate and its good to compare notes on your experiences.

Doing Rush is an all consuming and expensive pastime. You've got to travel a lot to get gigs (and band members!) and as you say there's a lot of specialist gear to invest in too. Then there's the major intrusion on your family life as you need to spend so much time keeping on top of the playing - both at home or in rehearsals and of course be on the road too. Then there's the endless behind the scenes admin work - networking (mostly reluctant) venues (with managers who are never available when you call) via phone and email for bookings, poster design, printing, advert design and sourcing suitable press, sending deposits, tracking ticket sales, haggling over fee/door share deals.... the list goes on and on and that's practically a full time job in itself!

Its a tall order to say the least!

To my mind it's something that is firmly in the realms of the professional tribute venture or for people with lots of spare time and cash to burn - certainly neither of which we had in abundance in the last line-up of TS that's for sure. With a better than usual attendance The Ferry gig last month might just have saw us break even on the years outlay (not counting the cost of all the rehearsals at Ã,£150 a hit!) but as it transpired we ended up well out of pocket - we're talking 4 figures here. I can only guess at my ex colleagues motivations for setting up 'Sawyer' which is something of a mystery saying as TS was really hard going for them - even limping along the way we were throughout 2008. But it would certainly take some time and serious attendance upturns to re-coup previous outlays.

You're never going to make loads of dosh from trib-ing Rush either way and I don't think that is realitically what anyone does this for so it needs to be something of a labour of love - but as you say its fair to say you shouldn't bankrupt yourself either and you've got to be sensible. It was worse still for me being someone who does music to earn a crust. I was refraining from doing much more profitable (or should I just say profitable!) ventures in favour of TS. I've often 'joked' that it was comparable to someone going (and paying lots) to play golf twice a week when they should in fact be at work!

Like yourself Woody - I'm still keen to do a Rush tribute but its got to be done realistically and exceptionally well. Not least to get enough Rush fans interested to make it viable. I think because Rush are so perfectionistic in what they do that the tribs need to be perfectionistic too and anything falling short of that is only of interest to the hard core Rush fans as we've all proven over the years. It needs to be top notch to get the average person buying into it and to see the sort of turnouts that other tribute bands get - Limehouse Lizzy, Whole Lotta Led etc etc....

It's also fair to say that its as good as impossible to get promotors interested in a Rush tribute which I think is something 2112 have been trying to do too if I'm reading what they're saying correctly about getting management? Therefore its really hard (and expensive) to advertise and promote gigs yourself and you're always at the mercy of what (usually very little) publicity the venues provide - especially when you're miles away from your own familiar areas. We went all the way to Dartford to play to a crowd of 35 with a loss of over Ã,£1K - and an all time low of 25 folk at Dumfries! (Huge thanks to all who did make the effort to come along to those gigs - Lucy and all!!!).

So I can only wish all the best to all the current batch of operating Rush tribs - even 'Sawyer' - as anyone who does it needs a medal for sure (and a lottery win maybe? ;D)! I hope I can catch a gig or two.

Hope you do well with your new projects mate.

See you around.

Ian.
hi ian,
it's nice to here from you. And i think you sum everything up very well. hope you manage to get sorted soon mate.

woody.
/;

Damian Fisher

Well put Ian. That's life in a Rush tribute in a nutshell.  We have never earned a penny with 2112 (although I have a suspicion Graham snaffles some back for his ever increasing doughnut addiction). I'd also add it is pretty demanding, physically lugging all that gear about.

good luck in the future

damian


ianb

November 24, 2008, 18:05:21 pm #8 Last Edit: November 24, 2008, 18:07:07 pm by ianb
Hi Damian

;D

I'd like to say it keeps us fit but I'm not so sure about that eh! Do you remember the get in upstairs at The Office - horrendous! Got to be one of the worst gear humps on record that place.

Have you guys got any plans to get back up to Newcastle?

It'd be great to see you at Trillians again.

Keep it rocking mate.

'A modern day warrior mean mean stride'

Oor Wullie

Any new news on what we talked about Woody???
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mwoody

Just a quick message to say watch out for fans meet in the next few days. It won't be eucon, but it will be big and it will contain lots of 'rush' and much much more..................

soon
/;

Red Star

Quote from: mwoody on June 16, 2009, 21:23:06 pm
Just a quick message to say watch out for fans meet in the next few days. It won't be eucon, but it will be big and it will contain lots of 'rush' and much much more..................

soon


This sounds exciting Woody, don't keep us in suspense too long!
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Muppet

Quote from: mwoody on June 16, 2009, 21:23:06 pm
Just a quick message to say watch out for fans meet in the next few days. It won't be eucon, but it will be big and it will contain lots of 'rush' and much much more..................

soon


Sounds good Woody - cant wait to hear the plan  8)
One likes to believe
In the freedom of music