TNMS-Down The Drain

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Prince By-Tor

I take on board what everyone has said here, and it makes sense. But why do the likes of Breesey and Slim etc, (who are really nice blokes btw), have to make 'offending' posts? Please don't ask for that to be explained, surely you know what I mean... :)

To debate, criticise, even argue (within reason) is ok I guess, but why the need for sarcastic and sometimes blatantly rude, antagonistic and vitriolic comments/replies? I don't mean to suggest that Breesey and Slim do this all the time, truly I don't, but as ARH said, there have been some 'ouch' posts over the seasons.

Prince By-Tor

QuoteI`m an easy going type and don`t care for the wind-up merchants or those who consider themselves to be the oracles of the forum. People who throw a bomb into a conversation to test peoples reactions and then when questioned or asked to support there arguements run to some other part of the forum rather than admit they are wrong.


This is exactly what I have been trying to say.

I wish this was my post!! ;D

Thanks Phil! :)

NeilP

Well I hope Gman comes back but it's his choice.
I understand his angst and imagine it has something to do with the discussion of politics on here - a subject that gets many folks back up and one that I avoid on discussion boards.

Take it easy Graham and chill.  

roadcrew

May 24, 2008, 17:01:31 pm #33 Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 17:02:49 pm by roadcrew
QuoteI must admit I discussed my leaving the site yesterday with a few people as I was (am) tired of the constant bickering.
I appreciate that I am certainly one of the main culprits and as ARH said I have an amazing ability to get people's backs up (which I took as a compliment  ::)).
For my part, I am not going to leave the site - which will no doubt disappoint some people  ;D - but will change my virtual persona as, has ARH also pointed out, I am an ace bloke. ;)
I was developing into someone who's only real reason to come onto the site was to see who Jonners, Fishy and Slim were pissing off at the time, (see, I can name names  :P) and then respond to them, almost on behalf of what I perceived as a majority. It seems clear that if I simply ignore posts that I dont necessary like/enjoy/agree with, this is the best reaction.
I will also offer an example where Slim posted "Rush should feck off and retire" and also doctored the word "feck" so the censor didn't work, which to my ideal is babyish and a ridiculous thing to find on a Rush site. On an anti-Rush site for anti-Rush fans, fair enough. But not here. The way that phrase was delivered I objected to and said so. Most people then construed this as me whinging. :(  I made an objection and was shot down for doing so. No constructive criticism, no apology, no defence of the post, nothing.

Anyway, it is mainly Slim that's bothered me recently - I can cope with Jonners and Fishy's tomfoolery. I am going to send him a PM next week when I've had a think about what I want to say. As he is a nice guy in real life, I want to at least make some effort to "shake hands".

I've had over 5 years on this site, most of it has been good banter and the meet-ups have always been a great occasion and I've met some good mates which I would have never met if this place didnt exist.

So, my advice to people leaving or thinking about it, dont. Stick around. Maybe cut down the number of visits you make for a few weeks or months. See what happens. :)

My apologies to those people who I spoke to, emailed and texted yesterday. I was being a drama queen. Plus, the missus wouldn't back me up. :P

Thanks guys

VT. :)


Drama queen doesn't come near, Steve,  but wind up merchant certainly does...grins....
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BaldiePete

May 24, 2008, 17:19:08 pm #34 Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 17:35:54 pm by BigFatGuy
I'm sorry that Gman decided to leave and I'm surprised. As has been noted elsewhere he is a Celtic fan and must put up with and dish out worse banter with Rangers fans on an almost daily basis.

I don't think it is right or fair that the board should be calibrated to the feelings of those who are most sensitive to criticism of Rush or to sarcastic comments by members. Personal attacks should not be allowed but otherwise, pretty much anything should go. That would be a prime example of political correctness, censoring something in case it caused offence. I'm afraid no one has the right not to be offended.

And really, TNMS is a fluffy bunny of a website  ::) compared to some others out there. The Counterparts site can be unbelievably nasty at times with many comments and threads that would never be allowed here. They allow  threads with open abuse and attempted intimidation of posters.

A possible solution, stolen from CP, would be a forum just for rants and people to let off steam (their's is called "Shut Up Shut'n Up!!") . Any threads in the main sections which are heading into slag off/rant territory could be moved there by the mods/admins so that only people who want to read or participate need be involved.

Prince By-Tor

Nicely put and a good idea Pete. :)

Breesey

May 24, 2008, 18:20:00 pm #36 Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 18:28:06 pm by steve_breese
QuoteBut why do the likes of Breesey and Slim etc, (who are really nice blokes btw), have to make 'offending' posts?


I don't. I may well sail close to the wind but I always make sure I am not offensive. I don't think I have ever called anyone a name for example, even along sarcastic lines ala Slim.
I assume you can disprove that?

QuotePlease don't ask for that to be explained, surely you know what I mean... :)


But you should explain. You just agreed with BlackpoolPhil's post and then did exactly what he said shouldn't happen ie drop one and run, something I don't do.

I rely on the mods to make any further controls beyond those I make myself on my own posts. I think once, maybe twice, I have had a post modded.
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Prince By-Tor

QuoteYou just agreed with BlackpoolPhil's post and then did exactly what he said shouldn't happen ie drop one and run, something I don't do.


What? :-?

But I haven't cut and run! :-/ Phil said in one post what I've been trying to say in quite a few. I simply agreed with his post, because it was what I'm trying to say. I haven't left anyone or anything in limbo? :o



Breesey

May 24, 2008, 18:40:18 pm #38 Last Edit: May 24, 2008, 18:46:44 pm by steve_breese
Quote


What? :-?

But I haven't cut and run! :-/ Phil said in one post what I've been trying to say in quite a few. I simply agreed with his post, because it was what I'm trying to say. I haven't left anyone or anything in limbo? :o




OK, you've just cut and you're still here.
You said this: "Please don't ask for that to be explained, surely you know what I mean..."
I took that as you saying something for your own convenience without being prepared to explain it, which is what Phil spoke about, though trickey to define. If I am wrong, please just explain what you did not want to be asked to explain.

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Slim

QuoteThere are people on here who in a normal social situation I know I would avoid because I`m an easy going type and don`t care for the wind-up merchants or those who consider themselves to be the oracles of the forum. People who throw a bomb into a conversation to test peoples reactions and then when questioned or asked to support there arguements run to some other part of the forum rather than admit they are wrong.


May we, then, in the same spirit, ask you to support this claim? I'm interested in particular to know how you can determine a "bomb" intended to "test peoples' reactions" from a legitimately expressed, sincerely held opinion. Please share that with us.

zoony

QuoteSorry to see Gman go but I can't get my head around people leaving for those reasons.



Same here, but if that's how he feels, just respect his decision.

Last weekends big turnout for the Galway gathering surely shows that there is still one hell of a camaraderie on the site?

Matt2112

QuoteI rely on the mods to make any further controls beyond those I make myself on my own posts. I think once, maybe twice, I have had a post modded.


Then given how liberal the mods are, your post(s) must have been utterly outrageous and suffered a deserved fate.  :D


::)  ;)
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Gary L. Grape

QuoteThen given how liberal the mods are, your post(s) must have been utterly outrageous and suffered a deserved fate.  :D


::)  ;)

Even I've had a post modded once, for using a not so flattering term for the French...a certain amphibian term... ::) :P

Prince By-Tor

I can't remember what I meant Steve, to be honest, I really can't. It's been a long day and I wish I hadn't got involved in all this now. All I was trying to do was communicate and to try and make a difference as someone said before me. "Don't throw the teddy, try and change things", or something like that. That's all I was trying to do. If I haven't done as I thought then I'm sorry. :-/

It's time for me to go... :(




34Poolboy

Quote

May we, then, in the same spirit, ask you to support this claim? I'm interested in particular to know how you can determine a "bomb" intended to "test peoples' reactions" from a legitimately expressed, sincerely held opinion. Please share that with us.


Okay if  you want an example, you yourself in the "Where do we now talk about refunds thread" (or whatever it is called). I have never posted in there myself although it would warrant a rant.

Many people have been seriously messed about and have suffered financially as well as emotionally and you dropped some clever remark about what great tickets you had, or somewhere else stating "it`s only money".

Well that is 2 examples, now you will of course say that these are "legitimitely expressed, sincerely held opinions" but I would consider them ill timed and thoughtless.

I just feel it sometimes appropriate to keep ones "legitimitely expressed, sincerely held opinions" to oneself, rather than light the blue touchpaper and run. Surely it must be obvious the reaction you will get, or is it not obvious that these statements will offend?

I don`t see the point, maybe you could explain it to me?