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Title: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 07, 2018, 16:41:51 pm
I was having a conversation with a mate and he said "Brit pop saved guitar rock in the 90s"


Is this true? Nevermind was before Wonderwall though.


I was not a big listener to either but I loved the Screaming Trees "Dust". Guitar rock seems to have gone underground again but that could be because I don't listen to music radio much!


Any thoughts?
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on September 07, 2018, 19:23:36 pm
It's quite obvious really - HEAVY METAL - like a musical Exlax  it's been keeping guitar rock going since its birth. 70s 80s 90s 00s and now HEAVY METAL is bringing the world together though LOUD GEETARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KERRANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: pdw1 on September 07, 2018, 20:57:16 pm
Did it need saving?
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: pdw1 on September 07, 2018, 21:16:27 pm
Britpop is back! What's behind the 90s music revival?
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/sep/06/britpop-is-back-whats-behind-the-90s-music-revival
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 08, 2018, 09:25:58 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on September 07, 2018, 19:23:36 pm
It's quite obvious really - HEAVY METAL - like a musical Exlax  it's been keeping guitar rock going since its birth. 70s 80s 90s 00s and now HEAVY METAL is bringing the world together though LOUD GEETARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KERRANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Yes you are right HM just keeps reinventing itself and seems always to be there in the background if you look.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 08, 2018, 09:28:29 am
Quote from: pdw1 on September 07, 2018, 20:57:16 pm
Did it need saving?



No. Grunge and Brit pop made it mainstream again I guess after years of Rap and Dance and SAW.



Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Analog RH on September 11, 2018, 07:15:23 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on September 07, 2018, 16:41:51 pm

Guitar rock seems to have gone underground again but that could be because I don't listen to music radio much!

Any thoughts?



The underground is where all the best guitar rock (and metal) is at present, for sure. It's where I live these days, and it's a quite thrilling place to be with outstanding new releases appearing on a weekly basis. I don't think I've ever been this excited about new music, which I find amazing considering 6 or 7 years ago I was one of those "there's no good new bands these days" kinda guys (I was the person I now get pissed off with when I hear those words being uttered).


I hardly ever listen to music from "the past" now. Not because I don't love it any more, but because there's so much amazing new stuff coming out which takes up all my listening time.


And Rufus, you won't find much underground stuff on the radio mate. Spotify playlists are where I've found a lot of the stuff I listen to these days.



Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 11, 2018, 14:00:14 pm
Quote from: Analog RH on September 11, 2018, 07:15:23 am

And Rufus, you won't find much underground stuff on the radio mate. Spotify playlists are where I've found a lot of the stuff I listen to these days.



I'm a bit of a progarchive fan. Yes I agree with you apart from the 70s Guitar is mostly underground. Rush were mostly an underground band in the UK


So I Guess the Guitar needed saving 6 years ago.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Matt2112 on September 18, 2018, 16:54:10 pm
The question is moot of course - if you look at the bigger picture, SYNTHS SAVED MUSIC.

There - the thread may now be closed.  :D
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on September 21, 2018, 21:48:28 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on September 18, 2018, 16:54:10 pm
The question is moot of course - if you look at the bigger picture, SYNTHS SAVED MUSIC.

There - the thread may now be closed.  :D

Like Rick Wakeman's keyboard set up, that's wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Bisto on September 22, 2018, 19:38:50 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on September 18, 2018, 16:54:10 pm
The question is moot of course - if you look at the bigger picture, SYNTHS SAVED MUSIC.

There - the thread may now be closed.  :D



I like keyboards, ... Nothing wrong with them...in their place...but they also take away a lot of the instruments and musicians they seek to emulate. Call me old fashioned but I'd much prefer to hear and see real backing vocals and harmonies being sung live and brass and woodwind instruments being played.
Last week I had the considerable pleasure of seeing and hearing a Steely Dan Tribute act at the 606 club. There were 14 band members (almost) all on one stage, including a percussionist, three backing singers, a three man horn section and two keyboard players; the band probably could have got away with being a 5 piece but it wouldn't have been half as splendid as it was.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Matt2112 on September 27, 2018, 13:08:34 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on September 21, 2018, 21:48:28 pm
Like Rick Wakeman's keyboard set up, that's wrong on so many levels.



Yet, they are a thing.


And Rick Wakeman's keyboard set up SAVED YES*.






* feat. ARW.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: döm on September 27, 2018, 14:30:30 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on September 27, 2018, 13:08:34 pm

Yet, they are a thing.


And Rick Wakeman's keyboard set up SAVED YES*.






* feat. ARW.



Just being going through some of the Yes back catalogue and was thinking about this. I think their finest album is Going for The One - the majesty of Awaken and Turn of the Century is to me their most exquisite  piece. Rick and Yes at their finest.  How they could go from this to Tormato with the same line up  a year later defies belief. Rick's keyboards just jar, as does Steve's guitar. Would have been better for everyone if it had never been released.


Kay's 3 albums The Yes Album followed up over a decade later with 90125 and Big Generator are all far more listenable to these ears than much of Yes's work with Rick. I really enjoy Close to the Edge and Fragile but I think I prefer theif output when Kay was behind the keys (bar Going For The One)
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 19, 2018, 16:39:13 pm
Quote from: döm on September 27, 2018, 14:30:30 pm

Just being going through some of the Yes back catalogue and was thinking about this. I think their finest album is Going for The One - the majesty of Awaken and Turn of the Century is to me their most exquisite  piece. Rick and Yes at their finest.  How they could go from this to Tormato with the same line up  a year later defies belief. Rick's keyboards just jar, as does Steve's guitar. Would have been better for everyone if it had never been released.


Kay's 3 albums The Yes Album followed up over a decade later with 90125 and Big Generator are all far more listenable to these ears than much of Yes's work with Rick. I really enjoy Close to the Edge and Fragile but I think I prefer theif output when Kay was behind the keys (bar Going For The One)



I think there is some good stuff on the much maligned Union and Talk albums. Talk in particular is really good. Union could be a brilliant 40 minute album.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: döm on October 19, 2018, 19:25:32 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 19, 2018, 16:39:13 pm

I think there is some good stuff on the much maligned Union and Talk albums. Talk in particular is really good. Union could be a brilliant 40 minute album.



I've never heard Talk. Missed it when it came out and now I'm revisiting with Spotify and its not been released on that medium.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 19, 2018, 19:45:13 pm
Quote from: döm on October 19, 2018, 19:25:32 pm

I've never heard Talk. Missed it when it came out and now I'm revisiting with Spotify and its not been released on that medium.



This is the long epic song from talk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ovt7mm4EYE

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Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 19, 2018, 22:03:30 pm
Quote from: döm on October 19, 2018, 19:25:32 pm

I've never heard Talk. Missed it when it came out and now I'm revisiting with Spotify and its not been released on that medium.

It has to be heard on vinyl :)
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Matt2112 on October 22, 2018, 15:25:47 pm
Talk is an absolutely glorious album. :)
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: döm on October 22, 2018, 22:53:11 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 19, 2018, 19:45:13 pm

This is the long epic song from talk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ovt7mm4EYE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ovt7mm4EYE)

[size=78%]I am waiting is fab😊[/size]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RscNKPM9WxM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RscNKPM9WxM)



Thanks Rufus, great stuff!
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: döm on October 22, 2018, 22:54:55 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 19, 2018, 22:03:30 pm
It has to be heard on vinyl :)



I think those days are gone for me
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: döm on October 22, 2018, 22:56:01 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 22, 2018, 15:25:47 pm
Talk is an absolutely glorious album. :)



Appetite whetted. Have to check out the whole thing
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Matt2112 on October 23, 2018, 12:17:02 pm
Quote from: döm on October 22, 2018, 22:56:01 pm

Appetite whetted. Have to check out the whole thing



It's pretty much proggy pop-rock perfection and the production in particular is pristine!  :)
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 23, 2018, 18:47:11 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 23, 2018, 12:17:02 pm

It's pretty much proggy pop-rock perfection and the production in particular is pristine!  :)



Yes and some of the Rabin guitar solos really hit the spot if you have a descent hifi


They shake the room. Brilliant.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: The Old Dog on November 25, 2018, 11:07:12 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on September 07, 2018, 19:23:36 pm
It's quite obvious really - HEAVY METAL - like a musical Exlax  it's been keeping guitar rock going since its birth. 70s 80s 90s 00s and now HEAVY METAL is bringing the world together though LOUD GEETARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

KERRANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No argument from me there Simmers though some would cite the 60s as the birth of heavy rock /progressive at al .Grunge like britpop were as all these things were just a passing fad much like punk and the new romantic rubbish before them , popular muzak is cyclical in nature and it is probably on it's way back around again doesn't make it any less crap though .
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Slim on November 27, 2018, 09:09:45 am
Quote from: döm on September 27, 2018, 14:30:30 pm

Just being going through some of the Yes back catalogue and was thinking about this. I think their finest album is Going for The One - the majesty of Awaken and Turn of the Century is to me their most exquisite  piece. Rick and Yes at their finest.  How they could go from this to Tormato with the same line up  a year later defies belief. Rick's keyboards just jar, as does Steve's guitar. Would have been better for everyone if it had never been released.

Yes, it was a horrible disappointment. I don't agree that GTFO is their best album; I think Close To The Edge stands head and shoulders above the rest of their canon and I'd give The Yes Album a strong second place. But GFTO is an exquisite, magical record nonetheless. Tormato is limp and cringy.
Then again almost the same lineup recorded Fragile, and that's not much cop either.
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: rufus the dawg on December 07, 2018, 22:51:30 pm
Quote from: Slim on November 27, 2018, 09:09:45 am
Yes, it was a horrible disappointment. I don't agree that GTFO is their best album; I think Close To The Edge stands head and shoulders above the rest of their canon and I'd give The Yes Album a strong second place. But GFTO is an exquisite, magical record nonetheless. Tormato is limp and cringy.
Then again almost the same lineup recorded Fragile, and that's not much cop either.



Thoughts on Tales or Relayer?


Weirdly Union is better than the reviews would have you believe.


ABWH is brilliant
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Matt2112 on December 08, 2018, 11:56:43 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on December 07, 2018, 22:51:30 pm

Thoughts on Tales or Relayer?

Weirdly Union is better than the reviews would have you believe.

ABWH is brilliant



Agree with those last two points.


I dug out Tales a couple of months ahead of it being played almost in its entirety (and stunningly) by not-ARW Yes (with Howe etc) earlier this year.  I listened to it intently for weeks on my commute and it slowly unfurled its rewards.  It's big and bloated, obviously, but nowhere near as impenetrable as some reviews would have you believe.  Ritual is wonderful in particular.  It takes an investment but in my opinion it's very much worth it.


I think Relayer is fantastic.  The Gates Of Delerium is a magnificent musical "journey".  Sound Chaser is utterly batsh!t and possibly the most "proggy" track they ever did.  To Be Over is poles apart from that, very accessible and just, well, "nice".


The 70s albums are a real treasure trove pretty much throughout really. :)
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: DavidL on December 08, 2018, 12:46:13 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on December 08, 2018, 11:56:43 am

Agree with those last two points.


I dug out Tales a couple of months ahead of it being played almost in its entirety (and stunningly) by not-ARW Yes (with Howe etc) earlier this year.  I listened to it intently for weeks on my commute and it slowly unfurled its rewards.  It's big and bloated, obviously, but nowhere near as impenetrable as some reviews would have you believe.  Ritual is wonderful in particular.  It takes an investment but in my opinion it's very much worth it.


The Ancient is a load of bollocks though.......isn't it?
Title: Re: What saved guitar rock in the 90s Grunge or Brit pop?
Post by: Matt2112 on December 08, 2018, 13:02:11 pm
Quote from: DavidL on December 08, 2018, 12:46:13 pm
The Ancient is a load of bollocks though.......isn't it?



All I'll say is I would rank it as the least strongest track on Tales.  :)