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Title: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nephronic on January 06, 2003, 06:35:21 am
I know this is not my place to start this but I'm sitting here, full of gin and wondering what to do. Sorry Chris.
From the moment I first heard Rush in 1977 everything they had recorded had been the dog's bollocks as far as I was concerned. Looking back now I can see that some of their earlier output was fairly lame. As I got older I was not as easily swayed as I was in my younger days and had widened my musical tastes around the time of Power Windows. Although Rush albums are very rarely immediate there was always a few hooks here and there to keep you interested and made you look forward to the next listen. Power Windows was the first Rush album that left me cold and still does to this day. Repeated playing only made the album sound twice as bad. It was bland beyond belief, stripped of anything that I associated with Rush. The only songs that I can listen to are The Big Money and Middletown Dreams, Grand Designs is okay but nothing better than that. Songs such as Manhatten Project and Territories are lifeless and have some of the worst lyrics that Peart has ever written, at times he can be the Oliver Stone of lyricists. Power Windows is right down there with the very worst of the Rush catalogue and, in my opinion, was the start of the erratic standard of recordings that Rush would release over the next few years. I know that I'm probably in a minority as far as this album is concerned but I've never been able to warm to it. I still play it now and again in the hope that I may find some new, subtle nuances that I had previously missed. However, every time it still sounds like the same old sterile rubbish. Nice album sleeve though!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 06, 2003, 07:35:50 am
Neph,

Although I don't agree with you now, I think I know exactly what you mean.  I remember listening to Power Windows for the first time and thinking .. is this a joke?  what the FECK is this crap?  It just washed over me like so much glossily produced pointless limp noise.  I felt exactly the same about Hold Your Fire, and it wasn't until years later that I started to appreciate those two records.  I'm sorry to hear that it hasn't happened for you yet if indeed it ever will but I can honestly say that I love most of Power Windows now.  I find The Big Money and Manhattan Project really stirring.

While not in the same league as Signals or Moving Pictures I feel that Power Windows is a big improvement on Grace Under Pressure and much, much better than anything since Hold Your Fire.

What do you think of Hold Your Fire?  I love the production on both these albums - really sophisticated, grand and atmospheric, and the material is mostly very strong.

Slim
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Str0se on January 06, 2003, 15:31:20 pm
yes a great production, even though Alex's guitar sound is thinner, it fits perfectly. The opening to Big Money has to be up there as one of the great album openers *EVER*. I think there were still some bold moves - the use of an orchestra still doesn't really work for me (although it is far better than the string sounds used on Animate - they are just WRONG!)

Mystic Rhythms is a great track for me. Its so atmospheric, but the version on ASOH is equally as good, even though there are some differences.

Middletown Dreams - another great track - some great guitar work from Alex - those clean yet distorted chords are really good (another Police influence I guess).

When you think how many of the songs were performed live, and on several tours, it must have been a favourite within the band, and it certainly is for me - this is well within my favourite period of Rush ( Signals - Counterparts), which is no surprise seeing as I'm a keyboard player as well as a guitarist - great stuff.

Cheers
James
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bman2112 on January 06, 2003, 17:28:18 pm
For me, this is Rush's best produced album.  I mean what a BIG sound!!.

Some great songs - infact all of them are good.  I've personally had enough of Big Money though.

I only wish Vapor Trails had this production!! - just imagine that!!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on January 06, 2003, 17:51:13 pm
Cracking album art work by the way - I have the plate-signed litho being framed as we speak, er, type.

The album:

The first of the mid-80's pairing of Power Windows / Hold Your Fire.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fawn_Eyed_Girl on January 06, 2003, 18:08:00 pm
I love Power Windows,it was all I was listening to over the Holy Days.What recaptured my heart was the emotive lead on Marathon and the last 90 seconds of Manhatten Project.It's packed with the energy of Rush (I dig the two bass slaps Ged throws in at 4:01).

Emotion Detector: a song you can quote to your girlfriends to make them think your a  sensitive soul.

Mystic Rhythms:Neil perfectly encapsulates the wonder of rendezvousing with the redemptive rhythms of the nocturnal wonders.

Big Money,Grand Designs,and Territories have fun word play.Interestingly enough,it was Middletown Dreams that my introspective spirit first latched onto when this album was released.

It will always be in my top five favorites...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Chris Quartly on January 06, 2003, 18:35:29 pm
QuoteIt will always be in my top five favorites...

Don't you mean favoUrites  :P
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on January 06, 2003, 18:58:55 pm
And, Girl with Eyes of Fawn (and all other new friends that don't know yet), there are threads reviewing albums going all the way back to RUSH and we're starting one a week, so next week HYF will appear, followed by A Show Of Hands.

We are including the live albums, but not, as far as I know, the 'collections' like Chronicles and Retrospective I and II.  But who knows, when we've done with the studio and lives, we may turn to these?

Please, re-live your memories and put down your views on any and all albums that have been done so far.  Even if you don't post, there are some amazing disparities of views to be read there already.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: The Letter R on January 06, 2003, 19:42:07 pm
Power Windows is one of my fave Rush albums of the 80's it came out at the time when I would make a special point of buying their albums and singles on the day of release and having got the Big Money 12" a week or 2 early knew we would be in for a great album.
Does anyone else recall the Virgin Megastore in Oxford Streets full window display for the album with cardboard cut outs of the boy and the TV's ? Now that doesn't happen anymore.
Territories is one of my top Rush tracks of all time.
And as was said previously the album was a great improvement from GUP.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 06, 2003, 19:52:55 pm
After careful consideration I have reached the conclusion that apart from a couple of class tracks, this album sucks  :o  :-X  ::)  :P
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fawn_Eyed_Girl on January 06, 2003, 20:09:23 pm
Quote

Don't you mean favoUrites
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 06, 2003, 20:10:22 pm
Are U a sesame street fan by any chance?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Ashley_Davidson on January 06, 2003, 20:11:11 pm
QuoteAfter careful consideration I have reached the conclusion that apart from a couple of class tracks, this album sucks
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fawn_Eyed_Girl on January 06, 2003, 20:18:25 pm
QuoteAre U a sesame street fan by any chance?

Come and play
Everythings Ayyy--Ohhh- Kayyyyyy...

I must ask however,what led you to broach such an issue...how did you know (elemental telepathy... ::)...I love Seasame Street,it only gets better as old friends are growing older.  
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 06, 2003, 20:20:37 pm
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fecking idiot!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 06, 2003, 20:22:01 pm
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Come and play
Everythings Ayyy--Ohhh- Kayyyyyy...

I must ask however,what led you to broach such an issue...how did you know (elemental telepathy... ::)...I love Seasame Street,it only gets better as old friends are growing older.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Ashley_Davidson on January 06, 2003, 20:46:47 pm
I agree Mark about the pathetic lack of contrent in my last post, I can't review PW just yet, it will have to wait until I return home.

But, PW is one of their very best for many many reasons, and I fail to understand anyone who doesn't like it enormously.

Having said that, I always fail to understand anything you type.  ;D

BTW, lard arse, I am not fat I am just big boned, and what a bone too.  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 06, 2003, 21:11:52 pm
[glb]
APART FROM THE EXCELLENT BIG MONEY, TERRITORIES AND MIDDLETOWN DREAMS, (IN MY OPINION WHICH I OWN THE COPYRIGHT TO) THIS ALBUM IS PANTS (SAME THING APPLIES TO HYF, PRESTO AND RTB (SOME GOOD QUITE A FEW BAD) AND ASH IS NOT BIG BONED HE IS SIMPLY FAT
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
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Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 06, 2003, 21:20:16 pm
just quote my post and copy the HTML substituting your bits -that's how L learnt by stealing off Chris  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on January 06, 2003, 21:32:14 pm
Then choose the marquee option from the icons when you post.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 06, 2003, 21:35:06 pm
Purple is a much nicer colour. Preferably a nice DEEP PURPLE
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on January 06, 2003, 21:52:50 pm
[glb]Me,[/glb][glb]I prefer[/glb][glb]a Rainbow[/glb][glb]of colours[/glb][glb]not just PURPLE[/glb]
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 06, 2003, 22:00:54 pm
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I do like the U,but since I fawn over Geddy,I want to spell it the way he does,otherwise I would feel out of the Rush loop:
www.myfavoriteheadache.com

In fact, and I kid you not - in an interview last year, Geddy specifically stated that he prefers to spell 'favourite' with the 'u'.

He also stated that he wanted Vapor Trails to be spelled Vapour Trails but this was 'an argument I wasn't prepared to have with Neil'
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bman2112 on January 06, 2003, 22:04:50 pm
Slim talks the truth............
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 06, 2003, 23:14:18 pm
Quote

In fact, and I kid you not - in an interview last year, Geddy specifically stated that he prefers to spell 'favourite' with the 'u'.

He also stated that he wanted Vapor Trails to be spelled Vapour Trails but this was 'an argument I wasn't prepared to have with Neil'

I wonder if Neil likes Sesame Street too?  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fawn_Eyed_Girl on January 07, 2003, 06:39:36 am
U on Vapour is cool...but not on Favourite,me anyway,I guess this is where Ged and I will have to  go our seperate ways.Oh well,every relationship takes it course...I mean corse.All because of UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU...keep staring at it and what do U see... :P
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 07, 2003, 06:53:08 am
I see an ancient marble face, a terribly old man with rippling cascades of white beard.

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on January 07, 2003, 14:57:02 pm
 ??? wtf?  ???

Being Welsh, I, of course, see lots of Sheep (of the female variety).
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Ashley_Davidson on January 07, 2003, 15:09:45 pm
FEG, my dear.

You type 'U', Reg sees 'Ewe', but I only have eyes for 'You'!

Do you ever leave the IOW when the tide is out? I believe Brighton is but a short hop over for a romantic liaison, I'll see if the Wife fancies the seaside shall I?  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Andy Piercy on January 10, 2003, 21:43:47 pm
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Grand Designs - why oh why oh frelling why didn't they play this live?  I would love to hear and see this performed live.
This may sound a little strange - but I always hear it live in my head, if you can understand this.

But Reg, Grand Designs *was* played live on the PoW tour. It was in the encores surprisingly enough.

http://www.2112.net/powerwindows/Tours.htm#pow
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 10, 2003, 21:56:13 pm
QuoteU on Vapour is cool...but not on Favourite,me anyway,I guess this is where Ged and I will have to
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on January 11, 2003, 11:07:09 am
 :)

Anyway, back to the album.

With Power Windows, I feel that Rush released one of the best albums of their career, even though it took me quite a while to get into it.

The band found their perfect "outside ear" with Peter Collins, whose production is superb (as it is on his other albums). He really helped to acheive something wonderful.Geddy's Wal bass is tight and punchy, Alex is crystal clear and Neil sounds better than ever. Coupled with some imaginative synthesiser programming from Andy Richards and Jim Burgess, it creates a huge sound.

There are many highlights on there.

The Big Money is a great opener and features a superb instrumental passage. I love the ending where the guitar blasts back in and the band rock out in 6/4 with Neil hitting the living daylights out of his snare drum.

Grand Designs is a great little song and has a wonderful solo from Alex (as are all of the others on the album).

Manhattan Project works really well, Anne Dudley's string arrangements are really powerful on here.

Marathon sees the music setting the lyrical picture perfectly and once again, as with Big Money, the instrumental section shows off their superior abilities brilliantly.

Territories is an underrated masterpiece. Alex plays some great atmospheric guitar parts, Neil shows off his percussive skills and the moments where Geddy plays bass are really funky. There's also some really good low end synth in there. Great song.

With Middletown Dreams I love the economy of Neils playing. There's only one tom fill on the song and the rest is basically bass, snare and cymbals. Geddy's vocals are also a high point, the last "drive you when you're down" is sung with great effect. The 'middle age madonna' section features some superb sequencing that even now, over 17 years later, sounds fresh. This song is probably my favourite on the album.

Emotion Detector features one of Alex's greatest guitar solos as well as some lovely atmospheric playing on the intro. It's a pity that the synth and 'jangly' guitar sounds during the song seem to cancel each other out though.

Mystic Rhythms is possibly the weakest track on the album. Although saying that, like Territories, it seemed to come over better in concert (Counterparts tour).

All in all, it's one of my favourite albums. I'm still a little narked that they never came over and toured with it as it would have been nice to have seen them play Middletown Dremas and Grand Designs but I've got my bootlegs of them so I guess that they'll have to suffice.

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Andy Piercy on January 11, 2003, 13:31:09 pm
I can't add much more to Lyth's great review - I agree with the majority of what you said   ;).

On this album, and I don't think this happened with any other in the bands history, Alex re-arranged and re-recorded all the guitar parts after the keys and sequences were layed down. This, it seems to me, really produced some innovative stuff from King Lerxst. In particular, on my favourite tracks from this album, Territories and Middletown Dreams, there are so many great guitar parts and different textures. Geddy's Wal bass really sounds great and he comes up with some of his best ever lines - Marathon and Territories are awesome. Neils' lyrics are stronger, as a whole, than on GuP with The Big Money, Territories and Middletown Dreams being the pick of the bunch imho.

All in all a strong album.  
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 11, 2003, 20:33:12 pm
Sorry I have to disagree - I'd say like many of the albums during this period - strong songs on an overall weakish album - some are killer tracks but others are just bland keyboard driven run of the mill rock - but Rush still can't make a 100% bad album for me and they are timeless
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nephronic on January 12, 2003, 01:24:11 am
After all that's been said here I decided to give PW another few plays. I tried to listen with as open a mind as possible, however it still did nothing for me. Anyone hearing the album, for the first time, would be able to give a rough guess at which year it was recorded in as it's very much of its time. I don't think any other Rush album is as easily identifiable in such a way. In some ways I am envious of those who get a great deal of pleasure from this album but it looks like it will always be one of my least favourite Rush albums. There are worse Rush albums than this but, for me, it will remain one of their lesser played efforts.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Dave_Lack on January 15, 2003, 01:31:47 am
I'm definitely in Lyth and Andy P's camp here, a masterful album that I played to death when it came out. Loved the choir, the orchestra and the sparkling production.

'We shoot without shame... in the name of a piece of dirt"

It's a good job things are not like that now... (!)  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nick on January 15, 2003, 03:16:39 am
I would also have to go with Lyths review. This is the finest album between Signals and VT, great production on all instruments and great lyrics. For me the highlight is Middletown with all the different guitar textures and synth programming (would have liked them to try a few more songs in this vein). After this involved sound they certainly seemed to take a step down in complexity on the next few albums.

An friend of mine met them when they were recording or mixing in Oxford. Apparently Ged was not a happy man that day and told him where get off.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Dave_Pierce on January 15, 2003, 03:24:08 am
I can't believe I missed this thread!! I think I was too busy doing battle over Dream Theater and it slipped under my radar!!  ;D

When I'm not feeling very creative in expressing my opinions, I find it very useful to find Slim's opinion on the topic and just go from there.... so here goes!!

QuoteI remember listening to Power Windows for the first time and thinking .. is this a joke?  what the FECK is this crap?  It just washed over me like so much glossily produced pointless limp noise.  I felt exactly the same about Hold Your Fire, and it wasn't until years later that I started to appreciate those two records....

I can relate to the feelings expressed in the first part, but sadly I've never fully appreciated PoW or HYF. For me, PoW was the beginning of the "RUSH slide" away from aggressive, powerful guitar oriented progessive hard rock that had become their trademark. I mainly blame it on their shift to writing the songs on keyboards and sacrificing the guitar in the songs in favour of keyboards. Prior to this, when you heard a RUSH song, you KNEW it was RUSH because of the guitar sound. Now it was up for grabs... who is this... sounds kinda like ----...... The classic RUSH sound was slipping away.

QuoteWhile not in the same league as Signals or Moving Pictures I feel that Power Windows is a big improvement on Grace Under Pressure

Agreed with regards to Signals & MP, but PoW was a real drop from GUP. The latter brought a resurgence in Alex's prominence in the songs, and while they didn't compare to the "Holy Trinity" (Hemispheres, PeW, MP), they still had BALLS!! Some of PoW rekindled this old feeling (Big Money, Manhatten Project, parts of Grand Designs & Marathon), but too much guitar was buried under layers of keyboard atmospherics. Side 2 was a real disappointment. This trend sadly continued on HYF.

Quote... and much, much better than anything since Hold Your Fire.

Yeah, if you don't include half of Presto, most of CP, half of TFE and most of VT. I'm not going to go into the whole disection of these albums again. The bottom line is that where RUSH is concerned, I want to hear a powerful guitar sound with keyboards adding a nice complimentary embellishment, not the other way around.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 15, 2003, 03:40:31 am
QuoteFor me, PoW was the beginning of the "RUSH slide" away from aggressive, powerful guitar oriented progessive hard rock that had become their trademark. I mainly blame it on their shift to writing the songs on keyboards and sacrificing the guitar in the songs in favour of keyboards.

but too much guitar was buried under layers of keyboard atmospherics. Side 2 was a real disappointment. This trend sadly continued on HYF.


Yeah, if you don't include half of Presto, most of CP, half of TFE and most of VT. I'm not going to go into the whole disection of these albums again. The bottom line is that where RUSH is concerned, I want to hear a powerful guitar sound with keyboards adding a nice complimentary embellishment, not the other way around.

Great points - agree with everything you've said - Rush sacrificed the guitar driven approach with embellishments and sold their souls to the devil (that's a great big fat bank of horrible balls-less keyboards to you and me  ;))  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Japes on January 17, 2003, 16:42:16 pm
This B-I-G sounding era of Rush seems to polarise opinions. You either hate it like Mark or love it like Reg with very little in between. For me I love it and that rest of the mid 80's albums... aside from being 'the soundtrack' to a memorable part of my life GUP, PoW and HYF (for me) contain some great songs, lyrics and production.

Back to PoW though and I don't think there's a weak song on here at all from the bombastic intro of The Big Money through to the evocative Middletown Dreams and Emotion Detector by way of the sheer majesty that is Marathon, the lyrics of which inspired me to keep going through two marathon runs in '86.... seriously ;D

[glb]From first to last, the peak is never past, something always lights the fire that's in your eyes....[/glb]






Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: homerush on January 17, 2003, 23:58:18 pm
Hmmm.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 20, 2003, 04:22:09 am
Power Windows is a fabulous recording, representing a fresh approach for Rush, with a glorious, panoramic, expansive production.  It sounds huge without being overblown or pompous.  It's sophisticated, modern and thoroughly exciting.

I don't believe that the songwriting here is quite as accomplished as was evident on Moving Pictures or Signals, but it is strong nonetheless - there is some brilliant songs here.

Indeed, there's not a single weak track .  But for me the standout tracks are: The Big Money, an effective ditty about globalisation before the term was coined and a fantastic opener - dramatic and catchy, with some dynamite, slashing rhythm guitar work and a solo that sends it shooting upward through the stratosphere.  Middletown Dreams, an evocative piece about ambition and aspiration, with a gorgeous, uplifting chorus.  And Manhattan Project, a 'documentary' song that works brilliantly - gripping, dramatic stuff this and the orchestral backing is a masterstroke.  Rush recordings don't get much more atmospheric than this.

Generally, the echoey drum sound takes a bit of getting used to in places, but the keyboards blend beautifully with the guitar and bass to project these beautiful, stirring compositions as never before, and the edgy, imaginative production is a perfect vehicle for the joyous, spirited music on offer here.

I often feel that this album and its sister recording, Hold Your Fire are the two records which sort the wheat from the chaff in Rush fandom.  It's easy to see why it goes over the heads of some - this is not heavy rock, it's something much more sophisticated and imaginative.

A superb album and a major improvement on Grace Under Pressure.

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Dave_Pierce on January 21, 2003, 03:22:10 am
Slim, I must disagree with you on a few points (there's a surprise!!  ;))

QuoteIt's sophisticated, modern and thoroughly exciting.

Modern? ???  We were just listening to PoW in the car on Saturday and my wife (who's also a RUSH fan) commented "Boy does that ever sound like 80's music!!". She was referring to some of the keyboard "flourishes" and "electro-beats" that RUSH adopted that we in vogue at the time. I was just thinking the same thing as her at the same time. So, I guess you could say it's modern if you're still living back in 1985... otherwise some of it sounds terribly dated.

QuoteRush recordings don't get much more atmospheric than this

Can't disagree with you there. There are some great songs to be sure, but instead of the keyboards complimenting the guitars, at times they take over. Like it or not, RUSH is guitar/bass/drums driven... always was and should always be. Keyboards have their important place, but as an additional texture, NOT as the driving melodic force. "Atmospheric" is not a term I wish to use in describing the best band of all time. If I want great keyboard driven music I'll listen to early Genesis. RUSH is progressive "hard rock".

QuoteIt's easy to see why it goes over the heads of some - this is not heavy rock, it's something much more sophisticated and imaginative..

Hold on there mate!!  >:(  Just because someone doesn
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 21, 2003, 03:50:59 am
QuoteModern? ???  We were just listening to PoW in the car on Saturday and my wife (who's also a RUSH fan) commented "Boy does that ever sound like 80's music!!".
Yes, I agree - it definitely sounds '80s in parts, because that's when it was made.  However some of their contemporaries were stuck in an early '70s timewarp back then.  When it was released, it was 'modern'.  Clearly it is less so now, although in a relative sense I think it's fair to say it's modern, it certainly is for a hard rock band, even today.

QuoteOn the whole, Pow is a good album.... but it is certainly NOT superior to GUP. It's where RUSH started to lose some "balls", something they only started to recover from on Counterparts (more on that soon).
I do feel quite honestly that it's dramatically superior to GUP, and I reckon there hasn't been anything since HYF that comes REMOTELY close to touching it.  For me, Counterparts only served to confirm their '90s status as purveyors of shallow, dull, formula radio-friendly Rock Lite (tm).

And by the way - at one point in your post you seem to imply that it's not more sophisticated than the likes of GUP or CP - which, with all humility, I frankly find absurd.

Slim
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Japes on January 21, 2003, 05:48:44 am
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Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on January 21, 2003, 14:34:19 pm
Please - let's not jump the gun here.  I am just itching to rip into Counterparts and T4E, but I've got to wait.  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on January 21, 2003, 15:32:32 pm
Reading through this thread, I can't help but feel half the correspondents here just want to wind people up! I may just be about to add to this....

Power Windows is a terrific rock album, a linchpin of 1980s Rush. As is HYF. Hard to believe it now but both were absolutely state of the art records when they were released. Indeed, Kerrang! magazine gave HYF KKKKK.

PW is NOT better than GUP, its in the same league. An album with Afterimage, Red Sector A and The Enemy Within is in my view equal to one with Big Money, Grand Designs and Marathon on it.

And all three of the aforementioned are better than Signals.

AND, as I will make plain next week, ALL of the above pale into insignificance compared with the masterpiece that is Presto.

Power Windows is one of those Rush albums I play A LOT. This is for two simple reasons: (a) its great, (b) its short. I agree with our previous correspondent that Emotion Detector and Mystic Rythms have waned in value as time has worn on, but I am forgiving in view of the fact that Big Money, Manhatten Project, Grand Design, Marathon and (in particular) Territories are so strong.

The production is immense. The performances are great. Unlike what others have said, I WOULD play this to people as an example of what the band can (and did) do.

From first to last..... an awesome record. If I'd give Presto a 10, Power Windows would get 8.5

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Steve_Coupe on January 21, 2003, 18:02:33 pm
Power Windows has always been one of my favourite Rush albums. For me, it has always been a far superior album to GUP and HYF.
Strong songs-notably Marathon, Manhattan Project, Territories and Mystic Rhythms- exciting production, a decent balance between keyboards and guitars but most importantly a real exuberance about the whole project. There's a real sense of fun, excitement and sheer enjoyment about the album that isn't, IMHO, present either GUP or HYF.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 21, 2003, 18:23:04 pm
QuoteIf I'd give Presto a 10, Power Windows would get 8.5

You were doing great up to this bit lmao
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on January 21, 2003, 18:56:31 pm
And I'd give Samantha Janus at least 1.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on January 21, 2003, 19:09:06 pm
If there is a finer looking bird than Sam Janus circa 1990 then I have yet to find her.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 21, 2003, 19:31:05 pm
Lucy Liu is nicer (are we drifting off-topic?  It's Reg's fault ;D)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Dave_Pierce on January 21, 2003, 20:01:46 pm
QuoteAnd by the way - at one point in your post you seem to imply that it's not more sophisticated than the likes of GUP or CP - which, with all humility, I frankly find absurd.

To quote exactly what I said - "On the whole, Pow is a good album.... but it is certainly NOT superior to GUP. It's where RUSH started to lose some "balls", something they only started to recover from on Counterparts (more on that soon)."

Superior not more sophisticated. I have no arguement with PoW & HYF being more sophisticated...again it's just not a sound that suits my ears as well as the more powerful, dynamic harder progressive rock sound that came before these albums.

But to each their own. Don't get me wrong.. there's a lot of reallly good stuff on these two albums, but many songs are "watered down" with the excessive use of keyboards. My idea of keyboards complimenting the core RUSH sound are "Distant Early Warning" and "Lock & Key". They play a significant and wonderful embelishing role but do not take the lead in the songs.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Dave_Pierce on January 21, 2003, 20:09:03 pm
QuoteAND, as I will make plain next week, ALL of the above pale into insignificance compared with the masterpiece that is Presto.... If I'd give Presto a 10, Power Windows would get 8.5

You've GOT to be joking man!!!  :o Presto is a "10" if we're rating albums like golf scores... lowest is best.

I can't wait till next week to see the fur fly over Presto!!  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: tor on January 23, 2003, 21:32:30 pm
Power Windows is, along with Moving Pictures, the best album in the world. I don't have time to elaborate this right now, but let's just say this album is a perfect blend of emotion, expression, lyricism, musicality, cutting edge technology... and everything else you might find in there. A true winner that hasn't dated a bit over the 17 years since it's release. For the record, I looooove eighties' synths  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 23, 2003, 22:06:26 pm
Quote

To quote exactly what I said - "On the whole, Pow is a good album.... but it is certainly NOT superior to GUP. It's where RUSH started to lose some "balls", something they only started to recover from on Counterparts (more on that soon)."

Superior not more sophisticated. I have no argument with PoW & HYF being more sophisticated...

Also to quote exactly what you said:

QuoteJust because someone doesn't get off on swirling 80's sounding keyboard flourishes and electronic drums does NOT mean that it "goes over the heads" and that it's more "sophisticated".

Which does seem to imply that that you didn't consider it more sophisticated - I guess you had a change of heart.

Slim

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Ian Harris on January 23, 2003, 23:26:34 pm
GUP is way cooler and more stylish than PoW. The drums are up, the guitars are powerful and bright and the whole thing kicks.

GUP is stronger and has more identity, somehow. Alex said the guitars came screaming to the fore and they did. PoW is the start of Rush's misbegotten attempt at sophistication and a more spaced, less spacious sound. The guitar solos started to suck more often from this PoW forward. Up to GUP, barely one was poor.

GUP apes U2, The Police, Peter Gabriel, even Killing Joke (Between the Wheels vs Love Like Blood!). By PoW, they're aping some rocked up Duran Duran, watered down Frankie Goes To Hollywood.

Territories rocks though! And the lyrics are great.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 24, 2003, 00:01:03 am
QuoteGUP is way cooler and more stylish than PoW.

Gasp!! :o

Compared to PoW, GUP sounds like the work of a moderately talented pub band - it's a bit limp, flat, uninspired, especially compared to its two predecessors.  PoW is dramatically more stylish, accomplished, sophisticated and powerful.  Where GUP was generally pedestrian, PoW is majestic.

After the relative artistic failure of GUP, they had to raise their game for PoW - and they did - triumphantly, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on January 24, 2003, 00:05:08 am
Quote
The guitar solos started to suck more often from this PoW forward. Up to GUP, barely one was poor.



Don't agree. The only album where the guitar solos suck is VT, because it doesn't have any!

Have had GUP on in the car today and have - again - changed my view on it compares with Power Windows. GUP just isn't as good. Some of the production sounds SO dated: particularly The Enemy Within and The Body Electric. GUP in my view has just one 100% majestic moment, and that's Between The Wheels, wheras Power Windows has at least five.

Immediately after playing GUP I put on Presto, which is in a totally different league: a true classic (only 3 and a half days to go until my glowing post about THAT album......)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on January 24, 2003, 00:06:46 am
Quote

After the relative artistic failure of GUP, they had to raise their game for PoW - and they did - triumphantly, in my opinion.

Bloody hell, Slim. I find myself in agreement with you! That's GOTTA be a surprise!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 00:09:43 am
Quote

Gasp!! :o

Compared to PoW, GUP sounds like the work of a moderately talented pub band - it's a bit limp, flat, uninspired, especially compared to its two predecessors.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on January 24, 2003, 00:10:55 am
Quote

But hey what do I know - I'm unusual
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 00:12:06 am
No - if you look anything like your avatar - you're bloody gorgeous  :o  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on January 24, 2003, 00:14:39 am
QuoteNo - if you look anything like your avatar - you're bloody gorgeous
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 24, 2003, 00:15:01 am
Quote
Don't agree. The only album where the guitar solos suck is VT, because it doesn't have any!

I do think that Lifeson lost his touch WRT lead guitar a few years ago.  He used to come up with some fantastic, expressive solos - The Big Money is a case in point - but I didn't notice anything distinctive or memorable on Presto, RTB, Counterparts or T4E.

To be clear, I'm not talking about his technical skill - I'm talking about the imagination and inspiration that goes into what he plays.

As a guitar player myself, albeit one unworthy to be mentioned in the same post ;D I reckon it might come from playing too much - I find that if I pick up a guitar when I haven't played it for a week or two I come up with interesting stuff, whereas if I've been playing regularly for a few days I tend to play proficient but unimaginative bollocks.  There's a point at which the guitar starts to play you instead of the other way round.



Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 24, 2003, 00:15:47 am
Quote

Bloody hell, Slim. I find myself in agreement with you! That's GOTTA be a surprise!

Actually I often find I agree with you Analog ..

Cheers
Slim Jim
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 00:22:26 am
Quote

Sorry to disappoint. I'm actually a fat, balding, bearded, glasses-wearing, hairy 31 year old male Rush fan.


Aren't we all - well apart from the age that is  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bman2112 on January 24, 2003, 00:23:39 am
Slim,

Your points on Alex's guitar solo's/playing is right on the mark for me.  PW had some brilliany guitar solo's.  Big Money and Grand Designs to name but two.  Since then, not a lot to report......Presto had very little, RTB's had a couple, sure Ghost of a Chance has a nice solo as did Bravado, but both weren't in the same class as anything on PW.

As for T4E and VT - oh dear, Alex got bored.......
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 00:25:31 am
Quote

As a guitar player myself, albeit one unworthy to be mentioned in the same post ;D I reckon it might come from playing too much - I find that if I pick up a guitar when I haven't played it for a week or two I come up with interesting stuff, whereas if I've been playing regularly for a few days I tend to play proficient but unimaginative bollocks.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bman2112 on January 24, 2003, 00:27:23 am
And before anyone goes mental - i said Alex got bored, NOT boring!!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 00:29:08 am
but his playing is boring on some tracks down the line
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on January 24, 2003, 00:29:54 am
Quote
So would you say that Mr Lifeson perhaps overdid the preparation and maybe simply played too much guitar before recording some albums e.g. CP and VT?

I'm not talking about VT since he doesn't really solo on there, apparently because he thinks it's a 'dated approach' but I think it's possible with respect to CP, T4E, RTB, Presto - just a theory, a possibility.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 00:36:20 am
Quote

I'm not talking about VT since he doesn't really solo on there, apparently because he thinks it's a 'dated approach' but I think it's possible with respect to CP, T4E, RTB, Presto - just a theory, a possibility.

yes re solos - you are quite right about VT - I suppose I was thinking, but didn't clarify, of the whole package.

However, as to your overall point -I find it very interesting - and I think to some extent with a lot of their material (maybe just songs here and there, or in some cases overall cds/ideas) - you may be right
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bman2112 on January 24, 2003, 00:44:06 am
Guy's,

Why don't you start a topic called,

Alex Lifeson and Guitar Solo's - what went wrong?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 00:48:21 am
I don't know about Slim, but I personally don't think anything has necessarily gone wrong - and Mr Lifeson has performed some magical and very inspirational solos, both recorded and live over the years.

I just find Slim's ideas re 'overplaying' and too much prep etc interesting and in my own opinion quite possibly the case with a lot of songs
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bman2112 on January 24, 2003, 00:52:54 am
Mark,  I agree with you.

I know for sure i'd rather play Limelight on my guitar than One Little Victory.

Lately i think Alex has over complicated his playing, leaving little room to 'keep it simple' and shred a massive guitar solo!!.  
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 00:56:58 am
Definitely in huge agreement with you on Limelight - for me one of the most incredible awe-inspiring solos ever committed to vinyl  ;) cd  :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Thailand Express on January 24, 2003, 01:26:23 am
Bit late but here's my tuppence worth:-

To me this album is up there with the best of them, it's only the mid-80s sound that really dates it. If it had a more organic feel to it I reckon it might be untouchable. It's a wonderfully bright record, one to play in the morning. You can feel their delight at finding a producer with ideas to bring the whole thing up a notch from GUP (and possibly recording in Montserrat!). I have to admit at the time I hated it, being obsessed with Rush's early albums I couldn't believe what I was hearing - it took many listens to bestow its wonders to me.
The Big Money - Good opener, smart but catchy lyric and an awesome descending riff. The way it goes back to the chorus after the solo is fabulous, always reminds me of "Light my fire" for some reason! The video got played on Panorama too.
Grand Designs - Perfectly describes what the band is about lyrically and musically. The lead break is stunning, like a concise version of Free Will.
Manhattan Project - A bit text booky I guess, but it's better than Countdown and there's no shortage of drama, helped by the string section.
Marathon - One of their great songs. A nice allegory, with a subject that was current (I remember marathon running being very popular then) and a beautiful arrangement. It's a shame it hasn't been played live for so long - probably too difficult. I think it would have been perfect to bring back on the VT tour after all they'd been through. The chorus at the end - would have been a tear jerker.
Territories - A very complex song. The intro is fantastic and the words thought provoking and plentiful - they do well to fit them all in through the various changes. Fave bit - the section at "We see so many tribes.." alternating between synth, guitar and marimba - superb stuff.
Middletown Dreams - This seems to be a lot of peoples' choice to bring back into the live set. Don't know about that but it is a lovely song. One of Neil's best character based lyrics.
Emotion Detector - The least celebrated song on the album. A Rush attempt at a power ballad? You could imagine Heart doing it. Excellent vocal from Geddy though.
Mystic Rhythms - Their quietest album closer and a fine way to finish. The humbling power of nature is captured perfectly and the dreamy atmosphere slowly drifts to the end groove of the record.
So there it is - great songs, great performance, a quite excellent record - but was it a concept album though?


Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Chris Quartly on January 24, 2003, 01:53:34 am
On the off-subject or recent guitar solos I have to say that I find the solos for Cut to the Chase, Time and Motion (epsecially) and Earthshine particuarly awe-inspiring. But of course, that's my personal point of view.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: stuhibs on January 24, 2003, 02:23:38 am
Power windows is a superb peice of work from beginning to end, every song has top notch songwriting and performing,I really think Rush decided to do an album like this and GUP to distance themselves from a lot of bands from the 70's who seemed to be quite happy living on the old ideas they had used well up by the end of that decade- not naming any names but do u think we would be havin a discussion on which is your favourite AC\DC stlye & era! I think that is why Rush a have such a split camp when it comes to styles and production-there are those who would like Rush to hark back to doin 20 min epics then their r the people who would like Rush to do the old heavy metal anthems like erm....anthem then u have the people who just generally like good music and like to see their favourite band move on and progress musically..shit i would like to see Rush's next effort produced by DJ Shadow :PI really think production and instruments that r used should not cloud your judjement of a song.
Im just glad Rush do a little bit something for everyone
OH I FORGOT - BACK IN BLACK IS MINE ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on January 24, 2003, 14:33:08 pm
Quotenot naming any names but do u think we would be havin a discussion on which is your favourite AC\DC stlye & era!

OH I FORGOT - BACK IN BLACK IS MINE ;D

I wasn't aware AC/DC had another era. They are still firmly entrenched in the first one.

Good point though. There have been four chapters of Rush, and we're now on the fifth. Not many bands can lay claim to that.

That's given me an idea for a future thread. Best Band era. Pertinent particularly for Sabbath, Deep Purple, Yes etc dontcha think?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: tor on January 24, 2003, 14:59:46 pm
Quote

That's given me an idea for a future thread. Best Band era. Pertinent particularly for Sabbath, Deep Purple, Yes etc dontcha think?

Good idea! I'm there!  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Andy Piercy on January 24, 2003, 15:38:56 pm
QuoteI really think production and instruments that r used should not cloud your judjement of a song.

I tend to agree with you on this point, though there is no doubt that heavy-handed production can get in the way.

Just wait till the Presto discussion starts - you ain't seen nothing yet!   ::)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Ace2112 on January 24, 2003, 16:00:38 pm
Hi

This is my first post on TNMS, so I'd just like to say hello

PW is still one of my top 3 rush albums after VT and 2112, Alex's guitar work is amazing and I really like Neils drum work from that whole mid 80's period.

Anyway I won't ramble, cheers
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 16:02:51 pm
Again - with you on Cut to the Chase especially - One of my all-time fave rush songs - and still I feel very underrated and should have been played on the last tour  :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 16:05:53 pm
Quote

I wasn't aware AC/DC had another era. They are still firmly entrenched in the first one.


Yes but there are always exceptions to the rule - I personally wouldn't want the mighty AC/DC to be any other way and despite a similar sound, style and approach over the years, for me they have remained fresh, groovy and quite frankly amazing and I love em'
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on January 24, 2003, 16:17:05 pm
QuoteHi

This is my first post on TNMS, so I'd just like to say hello

PW is still one of my top 3 rush albums after VT and 2112, Alex's guitar work is amazing and I really like Neils drum work from that whole mid 80's period.

Anyway I won't ramble, cheers


Welcome to the club, Ace!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Ace2112 on January 24, 2003, 16:21:20 pm
Would just like to point out 'Ace' is not due to having a big ego, I think it origionaly came from playing to much Wing Commander as a kid and needing a callsign, seems to have stuck!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Chris Quartly on January 24, 2003, 16:30:59 pm
Good to have you around Ace, keep on posting and ramble as much as you like, we all do  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 24, 2003, 16:33:20 pm
Speak for yourself - I think everyone on this site will agree -I have never rambled in my life and always make honest, sensible and concise points  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Dave_Pierce on January 24, 2003, 19:38:58 pm
QuoteWhich does seem to imply that that you didn't consider it more sophisticated - I guess you had a change of heart.

D'OH!!  :-[  I really gotta start proof reading these things better... that's what comes from trying to post at work!!  ;)

What I MEANT to say was that while PoW & HYF have a more "sophisticated" sound, that fact does NOT mean that it "goes over the heads" of RUSH fans who prefer the more aggressive, dynamic sound of previous albums. It simply means that we like the former over the latter.

There... how was that for a save!! lmao
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mark_Williams on January 25, 2003, 00:36:08 am
well it goes way over mine
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Dave_Pierce on January 25, 2003, 01:34:30 am
QuoteDefinitely in huge agreement with you on Limelight - for me one of the most incredible awe-inspiring solos ever committed to vinyl

Most definitely, but for me the greatest solo of all time is on "Freewill". His blistering lead work interspersed with the quick rhythm guitar attack, back and forth, sends chills down me spine ever time I hear it. Not to mention that it's ALWAYS a crowd pleaser in concert!!  8)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on April 04, 2003, 04:06:28 am
Hope no-one minds me resurrecting this thread for a moment.

I've had a really shit week at work this week, which has really darkened my mood. In a desperate attempt to sort myself out tonight I opened a bottle of wine and banged on Power Windows at neighbour-bothering, double-glazing-and-teeth-rattling volume.

And, boy do I feel like a different Analog Parent now.

This album has SO MUCH POWER in its grooves. I've just spent three quarters of an hour air drumming, dancing round the lounge, LOVING this record.

Even the biggest keyboard-hater has to admit that when the synthesizers surge out of the speakers during Marathon... well, let's just say to me its a life affirming sound. And then there's the simply MAGICAL Territories, surely one of the most under-rated songs in the Rush canon.

Thank you God for Rush. On a truly dark day the Lee-Lifeson-Peart axis has sorted me out once again.

It is unlikely I will be detrimental about the band on this site again....

 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on April 04, 2003, 04:51:44 am
Unfortunately Andy, not everyone gets it like we do (I mean the music of Power Windows).
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Chris Quartly on April 04, 2003, 04:55:16 am
QuoteUnfortunately Andy, not everyone gets it like we do (I mean the music of Power Windows).

Yeah but Andy loves Presto
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nephronic on April 04, 2003, 05:46:36 am
QuoteHope no-one minds me resurrecting this thread for a moment.

I've had a really shit week at work this week, which has really darkened my mood. In a desperate attempt to sort myself out tonight I opened a bottle of wine and banged on Power Windows at neighbour-bothering, double-glazing-and-teeth-rattling volume.

And, boy do I feel like a different Analog Parent now.
Me and you both AP. Instead of Power Windows giving me a lift it was HYF that did it for me. Second Nature was like an epiphany, what a truly great song it is. I never used to use the music of Rush as a mood lifter but recently it has become more common.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on April 05, 2003, 04:21:34 am
Oy!  If there's gonna be a PoW/HYF love-fest here, then count me in!  8) ::) 8)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Craig Smith on April 05, 2003, 04:47:44 am
Yeah, me too!   ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on April 06, 2003, 04:40:18 am
Me too  8)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: tor on April 07, 2003, 14:09:39 pm
And me! ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Micke.K on June 23, 2003, 16:08:57 pm
I just realized I haven't posted in this thread..

[glb]Power Windows....[/glb]hmmm. I didn't much like it to begin with (same story with GUP and HYF)...but it grew on me, and still does....it's a really good album, an I do like it

Favourites:
The Big Money: It opens with a BANG!! A killer song that's even better live (ASOH-version is a killer)
Marathon: I really like this song. IMO it's the best song from this album...
Middletown Dreams: Geddy sings really great here. Great lyrics. Neil's drumming perfect(as always)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bruce_Macgregor on July 12, 2003, 06:42:42 am
The Big Money ...live at the SECC in 1987 was just awesome. I love Power Windows even though it feels very much a child of its time and sounds a little dated now.

Again the power of music to inspire memories is strong and I am taken back to 1985 when I got the album from friends for my 21st birthday along with a Scotland track-suit. The album still fits pretty well even if the tracky doesn't!

Big Money, Middletown Dreams, Manhattan Project and perhaps Emotion Detector are my faves. I never really got Territories.

Still like it though.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: henryyz on August 26, 2003, 19:47:34 pm
This is a very good album, the best of the heavy synth era (1982-1987). It`s an improvement from Signals and especcially from GUP. But this album suffers a little of the synth and "pop" madness.
I mean, all songs have great riffs and melodies, but there`s some some songs wich seems to be artificial (GUP was worse) like Grand Designs, Marathon, Territories. This is funny because they were trying to be more "standard" songwriters, but there`s some things don`t fit each other.
In my opinion this album is rated as behind of the Golden era 5/5 (1976-81) and a little behind from Vapor Trails 4.5/5 , but is better than all other albums, and his highlights are tremendous.
Maybe 4.3/5
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on August 27, 2003, 14:38:24 pm
QuoteBut this album suffers a little of the synth and "pop" madness.

You're having me on. Grand Designs "synth and pop madness"? Not round these parts, Henry.  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: henryyz on August 27, 2003, 19:05:19 pm
Quote

You're having me on. Grand Designs "synth and pop madness"? Not round these parts, Henry.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on August 27, 2003, 19:12:34 pm
I don't think there's any 'pop' music on Power Windows - to these ears it's all immaculately crafted but intense, ambitious and extremely powerful - a billion light years from the banal, throwaway pop-rock path they decided to take from Presto onwards.

And I'd hate to see Power Windows blighted by the truly dismal Red Sector A which is one of the shoddiest songs committed to tape by any band - a real stinker.

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: henryyz on August 27, 2003, 19:28:46 pm
Pop doesn`t mean throw away pop, but there`s something rosier (I don`t know if this word exist...) for a band like them.
Pink Floyd have much commercial and acessible songs but not so rosy as Rush`s synth-era some songs.
I like synth but not all-synth sound. Though I like very much most of the tracks (5 in eight) TBM, Project, Middletown, Emotion and Mystyc Rhythms. I don`t like Grand Designs and I like a little of Marathon (the chorus is very popish indeed and ruins a great song) and Territories (the intro is great but the song could be better).
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on August 27, 2003, 23:15:19 pm
QuoteI don`t like Grand Designs and I like a little of Marathon (the chorus is very popish indeed and ruins a great song) and Territories (the intro is great but the song could be better).
Stunned.  Chorus ruins Marathon?  The chorus of Marathon is triumphant, uplifting.  One of the hallmarks of Rush is their "anthemic" songs and chorus (what is the plural of chorus? choruses?).

Stunned, I am.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on August 27, 2003, 23:33:30 pm
QuoteThe chorus of Marathon is triumphant, uplifting.

I agree totally - in fact 'uplifting' was the very word that came to mind when Henry mentioned Marathon's chorus.  It is fabulous, double-distilled spirit of Rush, uplifting, powerful and inspirational.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Micke.K on August 28, 2003, 00:24:59 am
Quote
Stunned.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: henryyz on August 28, 2003, 01:35:02 am
Big Money, Manhattan or Mystic Rhythms are anthemic, as Marathon for sure, but I don`t like very much Marathon`s kind of anthemic singing. I prefer the songs I mentioned before.
The Spirit of Radio and Xanadu are the supra-anthemic singing, in my opinion of course.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mission_Dreams on October 15, 2003, 18:36:27 pm
Out of the woodwork again.

Quite possibly a flawless album, (for my tastes,anyway), maybe with the exception of territories.

A concept album with a lot of social commentary of the times. Big Production and sound, depends a lot on whether keyboards are your cup of tea. Though keyboard-guitar combo albums are usually a cool mix for me.  

Grand Designs: Some great alliterative effects there, really evoke strong imagery.

Marathon: Start and finish the song lives up the its title showing the journey through life.

Middletown: Some great high-points throughout this song. The build-ups, rises and falls are used to great effect.  Its engaging right from the opening.

Emotion Detector: Very cool sounds from the keys and drums on this one, the words too give plenty of insight into the traits of human emotion.

Mystic Rhythms: The drums are great on this one, something different music-wise but still quite a powerful of effective delivery.

Power Windows and HYF get a lot of spins.

Though I can't forget great stuff on the other albums!

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mac on October 18, 2003, 17:25:06 pm
Wow, seems that discussions of Power Windows always end up in a fight somehow.

I really have tried guys.  I even liked the Big Money for a few minutes once because of Ged's bass playing.  But it wouldn't stick.  It will be generous of me to simply say that this album doesn't work at all for me.

Couple of songs have grown on me over the years, like Grand Designs (funny enough) which I totally dig.  Manhattan Project gets a passing grade, and I suppose I could listen to Territories and Marathon if I was in thumbscrews.

But the rest ... sorry guys.  PoWi is inferior to any of its predecessors, and the beginning of a downward trend in compositional quality for the band until the incredible Vapor Trails.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Oor Wullie on October 18, 2003, 21:34:13 pm
Power Windows for me is a really (power)ful album (no pun intended).

I think the production on this album is amazing.  Mind you I think that Peter Collins had a lot to do with that (funnily enough).

You've got to admit that the sound on PoW is a lot fresher than on Grace Under Pressure.

I love it!!  :-*
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Danny on October 18, 2003, 21:51:53 pm
I have to agree with H3WMW, Power Windows is a really good album with some of Neil's best lyrics. I think the use of samples and big production on some of the songs was really just a sign of the times of what was going on with Rock music in the mid to late 80's. Just as an album say like Counterparts in my opion reflected a more stripped down approach, less produced sound (plenty of guitar and bass and not so much samples and keyboards) in post grunge era of the mid 90's.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Tom Garrett on October 19, 2003, 04:06:07 am
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You've got to admit that the sound on PoW is a lot fresher than on Grace Under Pressure.

I love it!!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mission_Dreams on October 20, 2003, 19:13:57 pm
QuoteWow, seems that discussions of Power Windows always end up in a fight somehow.

Music is subjective. My opinion is to understand there is more than one viewpoint, agreeing to disagree is not a bad thing, and then going on with life. Debates can be good, and educational, but arguments can be counterproductive.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on October 20, 2003, 19:25:25 pm
QuoteDebates can be good, and educational, but arguments can be counterproductive.

No they can't.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Craig Bayfield on October 20, 2003, 20:01:48 pm
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No they can't.

I'm trying to work out if you meant that regarding "Arguments can be counterproductive" or "Debates can be good"
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fridge on October 20, 2003, 20:04:19 pm
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No they can't.

Theyre also much more fun ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on October 20, 2003, 20:06:38 pm
Methinks its a Monty Python-esque reference.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on October 21, 2003, 02:28:28 am
QuoteMethinks its a Monty Python-esque reference.

I've told you once.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Mission_Dreams on October 21, 2003, 18:50:08 pm
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Theyre also much more fun ;)

True...Sometimes.  ;D

My point is that arguing can degenerate and become a messy affair, where there is no winner, only some bruised egos.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Eya on November 02, 2003, 00:05:50 am
My first reaction when I listent to PW for the first time was "cold, sterile...",
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Sary on December 15, 2003, 04:54:27 am
QuoteMy first reaction when I listent to PW for the first time was "cold, sterile...",
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Presto-digitation on January 01, 2007, 14:43:16 pm
** NOTE: the (+) or (-) following the rating denotes "strongly" or "less strongly" in a given rating...to clarify between preference between two albums rated exactly the same but where one might have slightly more appeal than the other. Denoting neither means a solid rating in that number.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Richard_2112 on February 01, 2007, 18:04:58 pm
I think I'll add my own spin on reviewing Rush albums. I dare say I'm probably the youngest person on TNMS to activly discuss all things Rush so I'm going to give a look into how Rush can affect someone not even in their 20s yet!

I'm starting with Power Windows because I'd dare say it's my favourite Rush album (well along with Moving Pictures and Hold Your Fire)

It was my uncle who first got me onto this this album while we were driving to a 2112 gig. I'd heard Big Money and Marathon plenty of times before and he assured me those two were only the tip of the iceberg with Power Windows, and boy he wasn't wrong!

Ok, so track by track analysis:

Big Money: This screams 80s pop rock! Probably one of the best opening songs on any album there is. Some say this song is far too overly produced. I disagree. The layers that are in this song really make it more than just a great song. I defy anyone not to do a little jig to the cooky sounds over the top of the first verse.

Grand Designs: This is the first of two songs that don't really do it for me on Power Windows. Don't know what it is about it but I have to be in a particular mood to listen to this. Heavy Duran Duran influence here methinks musically, particularly in Alex's guitar. But it's still a great up-tempo song with some brilliant lyrics.

Manhatten Project: Wow! That's all that can really be said about this song. Stunning music and lyrics. I think this song should be used in history classes throughout the country to explain the effect the atomic bomb had.

Marathon: A brilliant song with lyrics all about not giving up. Again it's the music that really gets me in this song. Alex's solo is just magestic, Geddy's keyboards radiate throughout the chorus, and this is probably one of Neil's masterpieces of drumming.

Territories: This is the second of the two songs that just don't do it for me on this album. Takes a lot for me to listen to this. The one saving grace for this song in my opinion is the lyrics. Truely outstanding from Mr Peart.

Middletown Dreams: My favourite song on Power Windows. A song about the power of dreams and ambition. It speaks to the everyday man about life and thats why I love it. Geddy really stands out in this song, his vocal melody is beautiful and the sounds of his keyboards really do make you feel like you're dreaming.

Emotion Detector: "Right to the heart of the matter" It realy is. Outstanding song with more lessons in life from Mr Peart. Wonderful solo from Alex, and again Geddy is excelling himself with the keys.

Mystic Rhythms: This is another WOW! song. It summises the whole album in it's sheer brilliance. It's a sonic assault on all the senses. It really does "capture my thoughts, carry them away". It still amazes me that people didn't like this song on the R30 tour. Totally awe-inspiring!

So in all Power Windows really does scream 80's music. But this is Rush we're talking about here so it ges beyond that. The musicianship on this album is unbelievable in every aspect. But the Top Dog award for this album has to go to Neil. Lyrically and precussively outstanding which I feel he's never topped. The only niggles on this album are Grand Designs and Territories, they just ever so slightly miss the mark for me.

Power Windows = 9.5/10
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on February 02, 2007, 12:33:19 pm
QuoteI'm starting with Power Windows because I'd dare say it's my favourite Rush album


Don't dare say it - SHOUT IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS!!!!  ;)  ;D

If, like for me, PoW is your favourite album, then you are a young man with truly supreme taste.  And don't let the Caress Of Steel nutjobs here tell you any different.  ;)

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on February 09, 2007, 17:19:57 pm
Inspired by ARH's personal tribute to his favourite album, and Presto-digitation's and Richard 2112's recent summaries in this forum, I am working on my own down-on-bended-knees appraisal of the Greatest Album In The History Of Time, Power Windows.

It is turning out to be very long, so I'm going to post it in 8 parts (obviously, 1 post per song).  Part 1 - The Big Money will follow very soon.

Ladies and gentlemen, you have been warned.  ;D

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Gary L. Grape on February 09, 2007, 17:37:22 pm
QuoteLadies and gentlemen, you have been warned.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on February 09, 2007, 17:52:02 pm
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Uh-oh...one more reason to stay out of these album discussion threads then... ::) ;)

More like eight more reasons dude ;D ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Gary L. Grape on February 09, 2007, 18:02:50 pm
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More like eight more reasons dude ;D ;)

Yeah, you're right... ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on February 09, 2007, 18:08:15 pm
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Yeah, you're right... ;)

Never wrong dude ;D

My Power Windows Review: Moderately good.

Big Money,  Manhattan project and Territories great
Most of the rest OK
Mystic Rhythms - mediocre.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Gary L. Grape on February 09, 2007, 18:14:06 pm
QuoteNever wrong dude ;D

You're modesty suits you... ::)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on February 09, 2007, 18:51:08 pm
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You're modesty suits you... ::)

And that should be your modesty suits you  ;D ;) I'm pedantic as well as never wrong ;D ::) Better watch all my apostrophes from now on ::)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Gary L. Grape on February 09, 2007, 19:08:04 pm
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And that should be your modesty suits you
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Presto-digitation on February 09, 2007, 21:33:54 pm
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Never wrong dude ;D

My Power Windows Review: Moderately good.

Big Money,
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on February 10, 2007, 11:27:28 am
QuoteInspired by ARH's personal tribute to his favourite album, and Presto-digitation's and Richard 2112's recent summaries in this forum, I am working on my own down-on-bended-knees appraisal of the Greatest Album In The History Of Time, Power Windows.

It is turning out to be very long, so I'm going to post it in 8 parts (obviously, 1 post per song).
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on March 01, 2007, 23:38:39 pm
The time has come.  It's time to post my thoughts on why Power Windows has been my favourite ever album since it was released in 1985 - when I was 12 years old.

But first, I'd ask you  allow me a small indulgence (before the really big one  ::)   ;D ): a short preamble.

One of the reasons I love this album so much above any other is undoubtedly because it reminds me of a very special time of my life - I hadn't been in secondary school for long but I was loving it, making lots of new friendships (many of which are still going strong) and feeling like I was taking my first little steps into a much bigger, much more grown-up world.  So the general theme of various manifestations of "Power" running through the record struck a very profound chord with me.  And does to this day.  And, I'm convinced, always will.

I've taken some time out tonight to read through this thread from its beginning, which I've been meaning to do for ages.  It's very heartening to discover I'm not the only one for whom Power Windows has a special place!  :D  Of course, I was delighted to read some wonderful comments (thanks particularly to Reg, Slim, Lyth etc...  ;D ), and it was an interesting experience to read the criticisms of something I consider pretty much sacred.  However, I wasn't offended or anything, cos that would just be silly - I'd be more alarmed if everyone on this board unconditionally agreed with me!  :)

Anyway, let's, um, cut to the chase.

May I present my shameless and unequivocal paean to the Greatest Album In The History Of Time...  :)

Starting with...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on March 01, 2007, 23:39:12 pm
1. The Big Money

So how do you start such a sublime, classy musical experience?  Easy - just like you start many sublime, classy musical experiences: with a fanfare.  Okay, as we
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on March 23, 2007, 22:09:28 pm
Quote1. The Big Money

So how do you start such a sublime, classy musical experience?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on March 24, 2007, 13:12:55 pm
Quote

Very good Matt. I've been waiting for your review on Grand Designs, as i assumed you were going to cover every track on the album?


Yes, it'll be up in a couple of days or so.  I want to get them all up before the end of April for obvious reasons.  ;)

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on March 24, 2007, 21:15:30 pm
Quote

Yes, it'll be up in a couple of days or so.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on April 17, 2007, 17:25:13 pm
2. Grand Designs

My favourite track on the album
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on April 17, 2007, 18:22:44 pm
QuoteAnd dare I say it, MR is NOT a contended to be included back in the live set - thank you very much.

And how wrong I was - and how glorious it was on R30.

Thanks guys.

Marathon, Manhattan Project, or Middletown Dreams this time, please?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on April 17, 2007, 20:15:39 pm
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And how wrong I was - and how glorious it was on R30.

Thanks guys.

Marathon, Manhattan Project, or Middletown Dreams this time, please?


:)

I'd take Grand Designs over 2 of those 3 Reg, as I've seen them played live already.

Middletown Dreams on the other hand...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: JonL on April 17, 2007, 20:17:53 pm
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And how wrong I was - and how glorious it was on R30.

Thanks guys.

Marathon, Manhattan Project, or Middletown Dreams this time, please?


MD definitely, though I'd prefer Emotion Detector. GD third choice.

PW is a summer album for me, I think it's because it has a bright, shiny sound....or something. Maybe it's the rolled up jackets that remind me of the sun.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Craig Bayfield on April 17, 2007, 20:23:55 pm
I'm all over Emotion Detector, purely because I'd like Rush to have played the majority of their back-catalog.

I love the usual suspects, and all, but not when playing them every tour when Presto, Vapor Trails, Cut to the Chase, Emotion Detector and such haven't had a look-in.

Hearing a song being performed live for the first time ever outweighs (in my mind, anyway) hearing a song a live song you've heard before, no matter how good it is.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on April 17, 2007, 22:05:00 pm
Quote2. Grand Designs

My favourite track on the album
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on April 18, 2007, 11:18:21 am
Quote

Another nice review Matt, i'm enjoying your thoughts on the Power Windows album mate.


Cheers, Rob.  :)  Only 6 fawning, overlong posts to go!!  ;D

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on April 18, 2007, 12:00:02 pm
Quote

PW is a summer album for me, I think it's because it has a bright, shiny sound....or something. Maybe it's the rolled up jackets that remind me of the sun.


Absolutely. The jackets, of course  ;)

I seem to remember playing this a lot during summer months (though I didn't buy it until 1989), and would personally love to hear Grand Designs; a song I prefer to the 'standards' from the album. MD and Territories would be most welcome, and the thought of Alex ripping through the ED solo...well, that could almost be as startling as the surprise blasting of BTW the last time around  8-)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on April 18, 2007, 12:09:17 pm
I've got PoW on in the car at the moment - marvellous.

Must listen to ED - I must admit, it isn't one that has sprung to mind.

GD would be marvellous too - its just that Marathon is so, well, magnificent, stirring, uplifting, and Middletown Dreams means so much to me personally.

Dreams transport the ones who need to get out of town.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Alex_II on April 18, 2007, 12:26:14 pm
I adore PoW. For me, it's the last complete Rush album with no 'skipper' tracks.   ;D

If it were up to me, my first choice tracks for the tour would be Middletown Dreams and Emotion Detector with The Big Money and Mystic Rhythms as my least favourite. Marathon is always welcome; I remember the huge lift it gave the crowd at the shows I saw on the HYF tour ;D



Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Craig Bayfield on April 18, 2007, 14:19:11 pm
Heck yeah. Marathon is the last epic Rush song, with a really laid back and open instrumental section in the middle and triumphant finish.

If it wasn't for the synth, it'd be able to trade places with Vital Signs on the tail end of MP and no one would notice.

I'd like to say that over my 2 years of getting some absence, my tastes and preferences in Rush have evolved beyond the fanboyish obsessive I was when I first started posting here.

Still I would have to say, my undying love for PoW has not changed in the slightest. Even my RtB obsession died down a bit and I rate it as my number 1 out of habit. PoW is still the first (non-live) album I reach for when I'm bored and want to listen to a Rush CD.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on April 18, 2007, 15:39:04 pm
3. Manhattan Project

If I was forced to
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on April 18, 2007, 16:07:45 pm
Quoteone of Rush's most uplifting songs ever is landlocked between them.

You are not wrong there Matt.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on April 18, 2007, 21:07:03 pm
 :)

Excellent reviews so far Matt.

Oddly enough, one of the things that I've always loved about Manhattan Project is the dynamic range.

The fact that it travels from one extreme in the first verse of a minimal combination of drums, keyboards and vocals (a first for a Rush song up to that point, I think) and builds up to the band going full pelt along with a bloody orchestra :o left me gobsmacked when I first heard it back in 1985 and still does.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on April 18, 2007, 21:09:30 pm
QuoteHeck yeah. Marathon is the last epic Rush song, with a really laid back and open instrumental section in the middle and triumphant finish.


:)

Hmmmm.

I feel that Mission might run it very close.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on April 18, 2007, 21:18:24 pm
Quote:)

Excellent reviews so far Matt.

Oddly enough, one of the things that I've always loved about Manhattan Project is the dynamic range.

The fact that it travels from one extreme in the first verse of a minimal combination of drums, keyboards and vocals (a first for a Rush song up to that point, I think) and builds up to the band going full pelt along with a bloody orchestra :o left me gobsmacked when I first heard it back in 1985 and still does.


Cheers mate.  :)  And same here.  

Good to see the lively discussion going on about PoW at the moment, btw.  :D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on April 18, 2007, 22:23:00 pm
I would put Manhattan Project ahead of Mystic Rythms and Emotion Detector in my Power Windows rankings.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on April 19, 2007, 10:22:42 am
Naturally, after all this talk, I went and had a listen last night. I do think this is an excellent album, and one that sounds good (song wise) at 22 years old!

I think the orchestrated part of Manhattan Project is the finest part of a song that I've grown to like less than I used to, and I actually think that side two is the stronger overall: head to head, I prefer Territories to Big Money, Middletown Dreams to Grand Designs (just), Emotion Detector to Manhattan Project, Mystic Rhythms to Marathon (honestly).

Oh, for an eight track album again  :'(...for me, there are no filler tracks here. Even though I don't think it's perfect, it's just all very, very good.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on April 19, 2007, 10:41:05 am
I've been listening too - and Power Windows / Hold Your Fire are surely the peak of their songwriting?  In particular I'm talking about Neil's lyrics here.  They are clear, understandable, inteligent and to the point.

His later output might be linguistically clever using all sorts of literature / poetry / historic references, but its just arse to me (well put!).

In contrast with U2's lyrics which just keep getting better.  How To Dismantle An Atomic Bomb is simply brilliant at giving mental images with few words.

Unfortunately, I fear Neil is only going to get more and more convoluted.  Having said that, Far Cry in the main is quite accessible lyrically.  And there will be 3 instrumentals on S&A so thats a help!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: hygge on April 19, 2007, 11:24:17 am
QuoteI've been listening too - and Power Windows / Hold Your Fire are surely the peak of their songwriting?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on April 19, 2007, 11:43:18 am
QuoteLyrics seem to be written to suit the music as well.

Oh yes - that is true.  Not like the VT method of shoe-horning indecipherable strings of words into spaces they aren't meant to fit.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on April 19, 2007, 12:23:00 pm
QuoteI've been listening too - and Power Windows / Hold Your Fire are surely the peak of their songwriting?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Craig Bayfield on April 19, 2007, 14:15:49 pm
Yeah, I'd definitely hop on that train of thought. Marathon, Middledown, Mystic Ryhthms, Mission, Territories and Time Stand Still all have amazing lyrics which don't leave too much "what the hell is Neil writing about?" lingering, and no confusion over the music or lyrics being written around eachother.

Good times.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on April 19, 2007, 20:23:51 pm
Quote

I'd have to echo this, too. Even though I was really quite young at the time, I felt songs such as Middletown Dreams, Grand Designs, Marathon, Time Stand Still and Misson expressed things I was thinking and feeling at the time.


:)

Agree with you on the personal relevance some of the great lyrics on those albums.

However I do feel that Peart has written far better lyrics both before and since these albums - The Camera Eye, Subdivisions, Afterimage, The Pass and Test For Echo all immediately spring to mind.

Oops...drifting off topic a bit there. :-X

Matt, where's Marathon?



Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on April 20, 2007, 14:21:47 pm
Quote
Matt, where's Marathon?


Florida Keys?  ;)  

Won't be long, fella.  :)

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rick4001 on April 26, 2007, 00:31:44 am
Power Windows an absolute audio pleasure

Great production and such atmosphere,

One of only 2 Rush albums that had me totally openmouthed on first listen.
Ok i know it sounds very 80's now but i love it.
There no filler here.


The last classic Rush album

ps. Please put Territories back in the set list.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on April 26, 2007, 08:33:54 am
QuoteThe last classic Rush album

Hmm . . . so you don't rate Hold Your Fire then? (or Presto, come to think of it . . )
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on April 26, 2007, 10:25:45 am
PW is flawless except the last track which is very flawed...how MR got past quality control i'll never now...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on April 26, 2007, 10:49:53 am
Its a 90% perfect album, only let down by Territories ( for me)
The music is fantastic, the arrangements soaring, the lyrics well written and meaningul, and they actually fit the tunes!

Take note Peart! Write lyrics that fit the tunes, so Geddy does not have to fit square pegs into round holes and constantly woooh and oooh in the gaps.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on April 26, 2007, 11:20:21 am
QuotePW is flawless except the last track which is very flawed...how MR got past quality control i'll never now...


I think MR is a magnificent piece. PoW isn't flawless, but merely excellent....

Now, Matt, where is Marathon (a review of...)?  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on April 26, 2007, 11:31:19 am
Quote

I think MR is a magnificent piece. PoW isn't flawless, but merely excellent....



Nah..its a weak ending to a brilliant album...even if the track was placed elsewhere on the album it would still stand out as a bit of a duffer...  and it ain't much better live either...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on April 26, 2007, 12:25:36 pm
Quote

Nah..its a weak ending to a brilliant album...even if the track was placed elsewhere on the album it would still stand out as a bit of a duffer...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Sumpy on April 26, 2007, 13:04:52 pm
Quote

Nah..its a weak ending to a brilliant album...even if the track was placed elsewhere on the album it would still stand out as a bit of a duffer...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on April 26, 2007, 13:23:46 pm
Quote

I think it's a little bit relative.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on May 11, 2007, 17:57:15 pm
4. Marathon

In a highlights montage of a Grand Prix, you can pretty much guarantee that it will begin with images of the pre-race preparations and those moments just before the race starts as the cars line up revving on the grid.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Neph on May 11, 2007, 19:08:42 pm
I've said it before and I'll say it again - the majority of this album sucks big time.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on May 11, 2007, 20:04:22 pm
QuoteMarathon is just a staggeringly, gob-smackingly good song.


Very much agree there. The whole album is gorgeous, uplifting and has a beautifully expansive anthemic feel. The choruses are usually massive on this record, and the vocal melodies sound like they belong to a song :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on May 11, 2007, 21:49:42 pm
QuoteI've said it before and I'll say it again - the majority of this album sucks big time.


Nope great album..marred by a stinker of a closing song...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 12, 2007, 15:40:11 pm
PW my favorite rush album, just in front of AFTK. it is possibly the best prog album ever made and is definitely one of the greatest rock albums ever made, just listen to how many different styles of music merged effortlessly in to one album listen for all the influences
straight rock, middle eastern oriental, orchestral, jazz, new world, dance, funk, electronic, choral, pop, fusion. the lyrics are to die for, the playing throughout is stunning then placed in to awesome songs with great hooks. if i were to describe this album it would be dance prog metal.
my brother had the record and we played it so much we wore it out so we had to buy the cd version and 20 years later it still sounds well ahead of any band in the world. lots of people say rush are led zep copy cats and my responce back to them is rush can play led zep but led zep could never play rush and this for me proves the point (and i love led zep).
If there is a problem with the album it is with the closing song but it very small. alex should of played a slow quite solo with lots of sustain in, in the middle os MR instead of playing the same chord sequence.

the next rush album i brought (my 2nd) was 2112 and my jaw hit the flaw when i heard the first five minutes of that but that is another story.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on May 12, 2007, 16:05:54 pm
Quote

Nope great album..marred by a stinker of a closing song...


I agree about Mystic Rhythms - a weak ending to an otherwise brilliant album. Without MR it might even challenge Presto as my favourite Rush album.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 12, 2007, 16:12:49 pm
Quote

Nope great album..marred by a stinker of a closing song...

Nope, reasonable album marred by three increasingly stinky songs on the run out.

I prefer doing things manually.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on May 12, 2007, 16:17:16 pm
Quote
Nope, reasonable album marred by three increasingly stinky songs on the run out.

.


what !   Middletown Dreams and emotion Detector..are u mad ???
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on May 12, 2007, 16:17:41 pm
QuotePW my favorite rush album, just in front of AFTK. it is possibly the best prog album ever made and is definitely one of the greatest rock albums ever made, just listen to how many different styles of music merged effortlessly in to one album listen for all the influences
straight rock, middle eastern oriental, orchestral, jazz, new world, dance, funk, electronic, choral, pop, fusion. the lyrics are to die for, the playing throughout is stunning then placed in to awesome songs with great hooks. if i were to describe this album it would be dance prog metal.
my brother had the record and we played it so much we wore it out so we had to buy the cd version and 20 years later it still sounds well ahead of any band in the world. lots of people say rush are led zep copy cats and my responce back to them is rush can play led zep but led zep could never play rush and this for me proves the point (and i love led zep).


Fancy a pint?  ;D

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 12, 2007, 18:03:36 pm
Quote

what !
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: JonL on May 12, 2007, 18:29:14 pm
Quote
No perfectly sane, and the institution gave me a certificate
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rick4001 on May 12, 2007, 19:19:44 pm
QuotePW my favorite rush album, just in front of AFTK. it is possibly the best prog album ever made and is definitely one of the greatest rock albums ever made, just listen to how many different styles of music merged effortlessly in to one album listen for all the influences
straight rock, middle eastern oriental, orchestral, jazz, new world, dance, funk, electronic, choral, pop, fusion. the lyrics are to die for, the playing throughout is stunning then placed in to awesome songs with great hooks. if i were to describe this album it would be dance prog metal.
my brother had the record and we played it so much we wore it out so we had to buy the cd version and 20 years later it still sounds well ahead of any band in the world. lots of people say rush are led zep copy cats and my responce back to them is rush can play led zep but led zep could never play rush and this for me proves the point (and i love led zep).

Ah! a man who talks my language,
this is definatley the post of the day.
If there is a problem with the album it is with the closing song but it very small. alex should of played a slow quite solo with lots of sustain in, in the middle os MR instead of playing the same chord sequence.

the next rush album i brought (my 2nd) was 2112 and my jaw hit the flaw when i heard the first five minutes of that but that is another story.

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rick4001 on May 12, 2007, 19:28:58 pm
Oops! pressed wrong button.

What i was going to say was nice to see someone who talks my language.

Definatley post of the day
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nick on May 12, 2007, 20:27:37 pm
Quote

what !   Middletown Dreams and emotion Detector..are u mad ???



Agree with The Fishy, i can only hope that MD gets the BTW treatment on the tour. Fanastic song.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: snodes on May 12, 2007, 20:30:27 pm
Their last half decent (as opposed to
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Presto-digitation on May 13, 2007, 05:25:25 am
QuoteI've said it before and I'll say it again - the majority of this album sucks big time.


I'm not quite as strongly against it, but it's in the bottom 5-6 Rush albums for me....
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: dannyc on May 18, 2007, 13:31:45 pm
I think Middletown Dreams is one of the best in that periods output, proper story tellling that works musically and lyrically.. I personally though do find Emotion detector a bit twee though, a nice build but theres something lazy about it
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 18, 2007, 23:05:46 pm
Quote

Fancy a pint?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on May 22, 2007, 16:40:56 pm
Quotewhy don't people understand this album?


Cos there's too many "squonking synths", apparently.  ;D

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on May 22, 2007, 16:41:25 pm
5. Territories

A short while ago I went on a couple of dates with a barmaid from my local.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: JonL on May 22, 2007, 16:50:10 pm
QuoteI think Middletown Dreams is one of the best in that periods output, proper story tellling that works musically and lyrically.. I personally though do find Emotion detector a bit twee though, a nice build but theres something lazy about it


MD and ED are my faves from this album.

I LOVE the guitar break in ED.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on May 22, 2007, 16:53:29 pm
I can't say that Power Windows is right up there with Caress Of Steel, 2112, Hemispheres or Permanent Waves. That would be exaggerating.

I can say with certainty though that there hasn't been a Rush album quite as good since.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Alex_II on May 24, 2007, 00:22:42 am
QuoteI can't say that Power Windows is right up there with Caress Of Steel, 2112, Hemispheres or Permanent Waves. That would be exaggerating.

I can say with certainty though that there hasn't been a Rush album quite as good since.

Certainly the last no-filler album for me.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 24, 2007, 10:34:23 am
following the great territories review by matt.

when i was at college (1990) everyone was in to dance tabs and the rave scene etc and we used to listen to their music alot.  one song had a massive guitar solo in and everyone used to say "i love that bit" and i used to laugh to myself.

when i listen to PW i hear alot of dance music, i think it is the big bass drum sound going at a constant medium beat and the use of electonics.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: panacea on May 25, 2007, 01:18:09 am
The first Rush album I bought, and it remains first on my list. Big Money and Mystic Rhythms grate, the rest great.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Summerland on May 25, 2007, 22:24:08 pm
Quote
I can say with certainty though that there hasn't been a Rush album quite as good since.


Ain't that the truth!

;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 25, 2007, 22:37:38 pm
Quote

Ain't that the truth!

;D

He's forgotten Counterparts again  ;D ::) ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Presto-digitation on May 28, 2007, 23:30:55 pm
Listened to Power Windows twice since last night.  Better than I remembered.  Still think Emotion Detector is the weakest of the lot, but I'm liking Middletown Dreams more than I previously had.  And even the former is better than I remember.  Now I need to visit Roll The Bones again soon, as outside the first three studio albums, RTB and PW competed for my least favorite albums.  Might be doing some reconsidering....
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on May 28, 2007, 23:38:35 pm
PW is an album that i enjoy more nowadays than i did at the time of it's release. Don't ask me why, i just do.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 29, 2007, 00:10:43 am
QuoteMight be doing some reconsidering....

Er, no. The first three albums are all better than RtB IMHO
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Presto-digitation on May 29, 2007, 02:36:45 am
Quote
Er, no. The first three albums are all better than RtB IMHO


I'm afraid that won't be part of the "reconfiguring" equation.  I don't suppose that will change for me.  But that's ok.  I appreciate the fact that they steadily and progressively improved up through 1981 with each subsequent album without fail.  That's a good thing to my ears.  Beats a band who peaks with their first or second album, as happens with LOTS of great bands.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on June 05, 2007, 15:31:25 pm
6. Middletown Dreams

Little did I know until fairly recently that this song is popularly considered one of the band
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Presto-digitation on June 05, 2007, 16:55:24 pm
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Er, no. The first three albums are all better than RtB IMHO


Nope.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on June 05, 2007, 19:46:51 pm
Quote
The verse gives way to a magnificent, soaring, close-your-eyes-and-let-it-take-you-away chorus, beautifully sung by Geddy with a mixture of empathy and conviction (
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nick on June 05, 2007, 20:21:49 pm

Matt - great review of MD, one of their greatest works.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Blastzone on June 05, 2007, 22:18:15 pm
Quote
Matt - great review of MD, one of their greatest works.

Absolutely.
One of their best tracks on any album.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: captainkurtz on June 06, 2007, 00:44:59 am
QuotePW is an album that i enjoy more nowadays than i did at the time of it's release. Don't ask me why, i just do.

whys that, then?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on June 06, 2007, 12:09:34 pm
Thanks for the kind comments.  :D

Nearly there, now - only two more gushing, self-indulgent, overlong posts to go...!  ;)  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on June 06, 2007, 14:11:44 pm
Terrific song, and very real to so many people, I would imagine. Has a different kind of relevance now compared to when I was a teenager, but deserves huge credit for spanning the decades so effectively.

It's only considered a hidden gem, cos they haven't played it nearly often enough in arenas! C'mon, lads...out of the vaults, please.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on June 08, 2007, 10:51:30 am
the lyrics are great for this song, so emotive. for me this is where neil is at his best. hes moved away from fantasy and has stsrted writting about people, their dreams and thoughts. the music that is written around the lyrics is perfect. an absolutely amazing song.

this should of been at no 1 for 15 weeks.

in many respects they could of stretched the amount of ideas in this song to 10-15 minutes and they probably would of 5 years ago,but they just give us 5 minutes of brilliant thoughtful amazing well plaid music.

well rush are in this mood there is no other band in the world that can touch them.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Presto-digitation on June 08, 2007, 15:35:59 pm
I actually prefer Grand Designs myself.   ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on June 08, 2007, 16:21:39 pm
QuoteThanks for the kind comments.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Chris on June 08, 2007, 18:50:14 pm
QuoteI can't say that Power Windows is right up there with Caress Of Steel, 2112, Hemispheres or Permanent Waves. That would be exaggerating.

I can say with certainty though that there hasn't been a Rush album quite as good since.


Until S&A Slim  ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on June 08, 2007, 20:10:17 pm
Quote

Until S&A Slim
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on June 08, 2007, 22:34:54 pm
Quote

I'm afraid that won't be part of the "reconfiguring" equation.  I don't suppose that will change for me.  But that's ok.  I appreciate the fact that they steadily and progressively improved up through 1981 with each subsequent album without fail.  That's a good thing to my ears.


Would have been nice, but

a) AFTK was a clunker, and
b) Hemispheres was the peak. While there were some fabulous albums to come, they would never again quite reach those dizzy heights.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: knightons on June 08, 2007, 23:40:25 pm
The more I read Slim's comments the more I agree....

Sign of old age - or senility?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on June 09, 2007, 00:53:51 am
QuoteThe more I read Slim's comments the more I agree....

Sign of old age - or senility?

Wisdom :-/

Except he's very wrong on AFtk, and misplaced on Counterpants
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Slim on June 09, 2007, 00:57:51 am
Formula corporate crapola, mate ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on June 09, 2007, 01:11:22 am
QuoteFormula corporate crapola, mate ;)

But they do it so well ::)

Wanna go for a joyride?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on June 11, 2007, 17:26:39 pm
7. Emotion Detector

As I said in my introduction, Power Windows was released when I was a mere 12 years old, in the early part of my second year at secondary school.  So, being the naive young thing I was, I didn
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on July 24, 2007, 21:57:43 pm
 :)

When do we get the Mystic Rhythms write-up Matt?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on July 25, 2007, 12:12:45 pm
Quote

Would have been nice, but

a) AFTK was a clunker, and
b) Hemispheres was the peak. While there were some fabulous albums to come, they would never again quite reach those dizzy heights.


no way is aftk a clunker, i think the ear wax must very thick ;D

i think boots sell ear syringe kits, it not go and see your doctor
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on July 25, 2007, 12:55:12 pm
Quote:)

When do we get the Mystic Rhythms write-up Matt?


Only recently started it.  Watch this space, mate.  :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Presto-digitation on July 28, 2007, 23:41:29 pm
Quote

Would have been nice, but

a) AFTK was a clunker, and
b) Hemispheres was the peak. While there were some fabulous albums to come, they would never again quite reach those dizzy heights.


Dizzy.....way over-cooked adjective there.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 29, 2007, 00:42:23 am
Quote

Only recently started it.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on July 29, 2007, 06:41:48 am
Quote
How long does it take to write "Boring piece of shit"?  ;)


As long as it takes to type "Fountain Of Lamneth", mate.

If only it took that long to listen to.  ::)

;) :D ;D

Incidentally, where is the COS thread...?

Hello-o-o-ooooo...?

Test For Echo-o-o-o-oooooo...  :-X


;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 29, 2007, 11:23:30 am
Quote

Incidentally, where is the COS thread...?


It's brilliance speaks for itself, it needs no reams of purple prose expounding its greatness ;)

Plus I'm a complete and utter lazy bastard ;D ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Analog RH on July 29, 2007, 18:02:34 pm

Power Windows remains utter sonic majesty and a masterpiece made by real men. Caress of Steel is the work of schoolboys and six form poets in comparison.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 29, 2007, 18:31:33 pm
Quote
Power Windows remains utter sonic majesty and a masterpiece made by real men. Caress of Steel is the work of schoolboys and six form poets in comparison.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on July 29, 2007, 18:49:42 pm
Quote
Oh dear, wrong on so many levels ;D ;)



why?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 29, 2007, 20:50:31 pm
Quote


why?

Because at best S&A is a moderately good album. most of side 2 of Power Windows is filler, and Caress of Steel is a masterwork, the album where they stretched their legs to show their class and without which the rush we know and love wouldn't be here. Full-stop.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on July 30, 2007, 09:54:52 am
Quote
Because at best S&A is a moderately good album. most of side 2 of Power Windows is filler, and Caress of Steel is a masterwork, the album where they stretched their legs to show their class and without which the rush we know and love wouldn't be here. Full-stop.



i think i'm going deaf is probably the worst song ever written by the band (except dog years) and its from COS, to me cos sounds like they are trying to hard and have not quite got there. PW does not have one filler song, its rush at there most brilliant. i think we disagree, but does not matter they are both rush albums. what a great band, there is no other band in the world to have such diverse material 8-)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 30, 2007, 10:01:53 am
Quote

but does not matter they are both rush albums. what a great band, there is no other band in the world to have such diverse material 8-)

Yes, the Church of Rush is a very broad Church :)

I also like Dog Years :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on July 30, 2007, 10:17:09 am
Quote
Power Windows remains utter sonic majesty and a masterpiece made by real men. Caress of Steel is the work of schoolboys and six form poets in comparison.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on July 30, 2007, 10:27:32 am
seeing dream theater play some of cos makes me wonder. if rush played them live now they might bring a new lease of life maybe a new revelance.

i think were on the wrong thread here............
i agree with matt above

Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on July 30, 2007, 13:26:45 pm
QuoteIncidentally, where is the COS thread...?

Looketh thee to the top of the forum and seeketh out the "Album Discussions and Reviews" thread.  This has links to every album discussion.

Alternatively, click this (http://www.t-n-m-s.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1100860952)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on July 30, 2007, 13:30:16 pm
Quote
Looketh thee to the top of the forum and seeketh out the "Album Discussions and Reviews" thread.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Reg on July 30, 2007, 13:34:04 pm
Quote

Thank you Reg, but my question was rhetorical.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Richard_2112 on July 31, 2007, 00:53:31 am
Less talk of Caress Of Crap Matt and get on with that Mystic Rhythms review ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on August 02, 2007, 16:17:33 pm
Having discovered that this is my 3rd fave album (courtesy of Chris Q's ranking spreadsheet...and unbeknown to me until this point!), I decided to give this a spin today ;)

Could the album actually mark the peak of their recorded achievement?

Could it actually be better than PeW, HYF and MP?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on August 02, 2007, 23:31:39 pm
QuoteCould the album actually mark the peak of their recorded achievement?

Could it actually be better than PeW, HYF and MP?


Indeed it could - and does/is.  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: hygge on August 09, 2007, 21:23:36 pm
Your review of this magical album is great to read. And I agree that Emotion Detector is a marvelous song indeed. It always strike me how great the lyrics are and how well they fit to the music. The solo is just a work of art and it was very interesting to hear in the Guitar Player interview that it's one of Alex favourites. So what the heck is stopping them from playing this masterpiece live?  :-/
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on August 10, 2007, 06:27:49 am
QuoteCould it actually be better than PeW, HYF and MP?


:)

It's certainly better than one of them.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Alex_II on September 01, 2007, 14:26:23 pm
QuoteCould the album actually mark the peak of their recorded achievement?

Could it actually be better than PeW, HYF and MP?


It can certainly hold its own with PeW and MP but HYF is no where near the class of those three IMHO. I love all of the trio of PeW , MP and PoW which is amazes me because I thought the intervening albums had a high proportion of filler and PoW was a huge relief and joy to me when it was released. I don't think it has the same highs as PeW and MP but that would be a really tall order.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Lyth on September 01, 2007, 18:27:50 pm
Quote

It can certainly hold its own with PeW and MP but HYF is no where near the class of those three IMHO.  


:)

He speaks the truth. ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on October 19, 2007, 19:01:40 pm
8. Mystic Rhythms

This is brooding and magnificently atmospheric but somehow, I think, loses something in a live setting.  Sure, the versions on A Show Of Hands and the R30 discs are fine renditions of this song, yet
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Micke.K on October 22, 2007, 13:56:17 pm
Quote8. Mystic Rhythms

This is brooding and magnificently atmospheric but somehow, I think, loses something in a live setting.  Sure, the versions on A Show Of Hands and the R30 discs are fine renditions of this song, yet
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Ill_be_waiting on October 22, 2007, 20:09:19 pm
Was desperate to hear Mystic Rhythms live and finally managed it at Glasgow R-30 show........was everything I wanted it to be !!!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: scounter on October 29, 2007, 14:21:22 pm
Magic piece of music. Always thought so from first hearing it on ASOH. Love it live, too. Never thought I'd see it in an arena, but thankful for it's inclusion on R30 tour.

Definitely one of the stronger songs on PoW, and unlike just about anything else.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Amos111 on November 13, 2013, 17:20:24 pm
Packed with so many good songs! I remember back when I was fifteen when the "Mystic Rhythms" video use to come on MTV! SUPER album!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Andrew_Haldane on November 13, 2013, 22:45:19 pm
Quote from: Amos111 on November 13, 2013, 17:20:24 pm
Packed with so many good songs! I remember back when I was fifteen when the "Mystic Rhythms" video use to come on MTV! SUPER album!


Ok I see what you're doing....15 in 1985 ...so you're 43 then....and you use words like Super  ::)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 00:50:21 am
Quote from: Amos111 on November 13, 2013, 17:20:24 pm
Packed with so many good songs!


and MR isn't one of them.. awful closer to an otherwise great album..

and i bet the video sucked as well...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on November 14, 2013, 09:49:01 am
Quote from: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 00:50:21 am
and MR isn't one of them.. awful closer to an otherwise great album..



Fair comment.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 10:38:46 am
I think MR only sounds poor because the rest of the album is so damned spiffing.

Slot MR into any of the last 3 albums and it will stand out like a stream of bats piss. While it may not "rock", it is a thoughtful and well written song, with space, a tune, some fantastic drumming (watch R30, NP is at his majestic best), the "solo" section in the middle with the funky base and the almost backwards sounding guitar, the huge bassy power chord in the second chorus, even the almost mystical fade out at the end (I normally hate fade outs)

If anything, for me MR suffers (and as a result so does the album) for where it is in the running order. Emotion Detector and MR are to me the weakest songs on the album, and when records used to be described as side 1/side 2, Power Windows has an extraordinary side 1 and a decent side 2. Put Marathon as the last track, or Manhattan Project and swap with MR, and you suddenly have the album ending with a bang, rather than a whimper

IMHO! of course


Come on people, lets talk about PW more. fecking VT has about 93 pages of talk and its dreadful, both times it was released!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on November 14, 2013, 10:51:31 am
^^^^^ Give that man a knighthood.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 11:04:47 am
Looking back, the first time I actually heard a PW track was on the Friday Rock show at Christmas, when Tommy Vance did the run down of the years best selling albums. Pw was somewhere around number 6 or 7, and he played Big Money, and I absolutely hated it!

I just couldn't get my head round the repeated use of Big Money

A huge disappointment to me is the treatment of the songs sonically on the Show of Hands video, the guitar sound is so bloody bright and tinny that the powerful soaring nature of the PW songs gets lost in a wash of PRS nastiness
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 13:57:15 pm
Quote from: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 10:38:46 am
I think MR only sounds poor because the rest of the album is so damned spiffing.




i think thats is a huge part in it.. i often wish that Emotion detetctor had been the last track... altho in saying that the last track on HyF which is kind of similar is one i really enjoy.. i don't know what it is about MR but its rubbish and live its toilet break time..
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 14:54:46 pm
Heresy time, but I have heard Tai Shan quite a bit recently

I actually think its OK. Yes its twee and contrived, but there is some really nice musicianship in it. I love the really synthy power chord at "I looked upon a presence
Spanning forty centuries", the ending I think is very textured/layered and clever, the lyrics while a bit rubbish fit the tune nicely, and geddy does sing them nicely too.

and the chorus is what it says on the tin, a chorus

Again, to me you could put Tai Shan on the last 3 albums and it would be a welcome relief from the dirge that would surround it
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bez on November 14, 2013, 15:46:00 pm
Quote from: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 14:54:46 pm
Heresy time, but I have heard Tai Shan quite a bit recently

I actually think its OK. Yes its twee and contrived, but there is some really nice musicianship in it. I love the really synthy power chord at "I looked upon a presence
Spanning forty centuries", the ending I think is very textured/layered and clever, the lyrics while a bit rubbish fit the tune nicely, and geddy does sing them nicely too.

and the chorus is what it says on the tin, a chorus

Again, to me you could put Tai Shan on the last 3 albums and it would be a welcome relief from the dirge that would surround it


Now I know you're taking the piss....
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 15:51:24 pm
Tai Shan sucks...i'll take VT any time over that muck..
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 15:52:04 pm
Im not! Honestly!

Its crap, but in a good way!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 15:53:49 pm
no its crap in a crap way...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 15:55:25 pm
Bits of it are woeful, the plinky plonky Chinese sounding bit is awful, but as a self confessed Synth era fanboi, the power chord orchestrated bits are lovely!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 16:01:55 pm
anyway back to PW..i really can't think of a bad word to say about tracks 1-7.. also Lifeson's hair on the back cover is ace...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 16:05:56 pm
Fade outs are my only gripe, but at least they are done well

I used to hate the synth bit at the start of territories playing over the drumming bit, sounded like it was done on a bontempi organ for girls. Now, I love it.....
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 16:13:05 pm
Not sure they could have done anything else but fade out Big Money the way it goes  .. the live version which "ends" is rubbish whereas the ending for Marathon is good..

Territories is just great..love the various guitar flavours throughout that song.. ace ...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 16:17:43 pm
Like watching Al do the bass pedals on ASOH as well
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bez on November 14, 2013, 16:17:48 pm
Quote from: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 15:55:25 pm
Bits of it are woeful, the plinky plonky Chinese sounding bit is awful, but as a self confessed Synth era fanboi, the power chord orchestrated bits are lovely!


Isn't it on "companion in crap" HYF anyway.... :P
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 16:20:43 pm
Don't diss the red balls man!
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 16:29:53 pm
Plenty to moan about on HyF...

Never really took to the opener.....TsT..bit timid... does ok from then on thru to Tai Shit.. weak closer..pleasant but weak..
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Amos111 on November 14, 2013, 17:15:06 pm
A gem like "Territories"! Tie between "Manhattan Project" and "Marathon" for faves.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on November 14, 2013, 18:14:31 pm
I like Tai Shan.  Why?  I refer you to the answer given by my right honourable friend some posts ago.

It certainly doesn't hamstring the album it's on like something like Rivendell does, put it that way.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 18:24:29 pm
Christ, Rivendell..........

Painful listening
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bez on November 14, 2013, 18:39:03 pm
Quote from: Jonners on November 14, 2013, 18:24:29 pm
Christ, Rivendell..........

Painful listening


At least Rivendell can be put down to the folly of youth....there's no excuse for Tai Shan....its still on HYF you know... :P
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 18:51:38 pm
what came first with Tai Shan.. lyrics..? if so i blame Peart for presenting lyrics about China which would immediately conjure up jingly jangly take-away music...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Thailand Express on November 15, 2013, 10:57:18 am
Quote from: Fishy on November 14, 2013, 18:51:38 pm
what came first with Tai Shan.. lyrics..? if so i blame Peart for presenting lyrics about China which would immediately conjure up jingly jangly take-away music...


Xanadu? Lyrics came first there too  ;)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Fishy on November 15, 2013, 11:25:28 am
yeah he nicked them didn't he  ??
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Andrew_Haldane on November 15, 2013, 13:24:36 pm
yep...half an opium pipe dream written down by Samuel Taylor Colleridge
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on November 15, 2013, 16:44:58 pm
Loving my new PW T-shirt from the backstage club. It is a great album. Some might say very 80s, but is that a bad thing?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Andy42g on November 22, 2013, 14:33:10 pm
Quote from: zoony on November 15, 2013, 16:44:58 pm
... very 80s, but is that a bad thing?

Yes. It is.  :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on November 22, 2013, 16:08:56 pm
Quote from: Andy42g on November 22, 2013, 14:33:10 pm
Yes. It is.  :)


Outrageous comment. >:(
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Andy42g on November 22, 2013, 16:12:09 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 22, 2013, 16:08:56 pm
Outrageous comment. >:(

;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 07, 2019, 13:07:04 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10hTThgsXP0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10hTThgsXP0)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on October 07, 2019, 20:52:51 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 07, 2019, 13:07:04 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10hTThgsXP0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10hTThgsXP0)

🤦🏻‍♂️
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on October 08, 2019, 19:08:03 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 07, 2019, 13:07:04 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10hTThgsXP0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10hTThgsXP0)
Well you certainly wouldn't buy the album after listening to that review, and that would be a shame, as it's a very good album with some cracking tracks on it. Yes, I think it is very 80s, but that doesn't hinder it. Thought that bloke was a bit of a prick to be honest.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 08, 2019, 19:41:23 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 08, 2019, 19:08:03 pmWell you certainly wouldn't buy the album after listening to that review, and that would be a shame, as it's a very good album with some cracking tracks on it. Yes, I think it is very 80s, but that doesn't hinder it. Thought that bloke was a bit of a prick to be honest.
Zoony, completely agree. PW is the BEST rush album imo
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: pdw1 on October 08, 2019, 19:51:38 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 08, 2019, 19:41:23 pmZoony, completely agree. PW is the BEST rush album imo
Totally agree
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on October 09, 2019, 19:05:59 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 08, 2019, 19:41:23 pmZoony, completely agree. PW is the BEST rush album imo
It's certainly right up there mate, but nothing will ever better Exit...Stage Left for me.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nick on October 09, 2019, 19:38:15 pm
Always enjoyed Middletown.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bez on October 09, 2019, 20:42:32 pm
fecking babies the lot of you..... Everyone knows it was all downhill from Hemispheres....if you'd been old enough to understand you would agree... 8)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on October 09, 2019, 21:03:45 pm
Quote from: Bez on October 09, 2019, 20:42:32 pmfecking babies the lot of you..... Everyone knows it was all downhill from Hemispheres....if you'd been old enough to understand you would agree... 8)
Hemispheres posts to the Hemispheres thread, please...  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 09, 2019, 22:45:09 pm
Quote from: Bez on October 09, 2019, 20:42:32 pmfecking babies the lot of you..... Everyone knows it was all downhill from Hemispheres....if you'd been old enough to understand you would agree... 8)
Not very often I actively agree with anybody, but this is a FACT.

FWIW PoW would make a reasonable four track EP
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: pxr5 on October 10, 2019, 13:52:05 pm
I really didn't like Power Windows when it first came out, but it was HYF that turned me off Rush for a long time. I recall clearly buying HYF, putting on my turntable and getting half way through Force Ten and stopping it; that vinyl copy never to be played again (I still have it btw). More recently though, I can find good tracks on both those albums, still not my faves by any means.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on October 11, 2019, 11:14:53 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 09, 2019, 22:45:09 pmFWIW PoW would make a reasonable four track EP

Like Hemispheres is? :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bisto on October 11, 2019, 18:39:23 pm
Power Windows  is a bonafide great 80's Rock album imho; everything else that Rush subsequently released after PW should only be judged on its merits as a Rush album (if you catch my drift)

If the final Rush tracks ever penned had been; 'The Pass' and 'Bravado' and these had replaced 'Tai Shan' and 'High Water' (on 'Hold Your Fire') I don't think many fans would have missed what came after, Clockwork Angels aside, though I really don't see what all the fuss is about there myself.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 11, 2019, 20:16:00 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 11, 2019, 11:14:53 amLike Hemispheres is? :)
Hemispheres is a 100% Killer 0% Filler ALBUM
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 21, 2019, 13:07:51 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTkACkEwY9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTkACkEwY9E)


these are apparently the demo versions of power windows
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on October 21, 2019, 15:28:22 pm
interesting.....
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Richard_2112 on October 22, 2019, 00:52:57 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 21, 2019, 13:07:51 pmhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTkACkEwY9E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTkACkEwY9E)


these are apparently the demo versions of power windows
That was very interesting listening to. Fascinating to hear those songs without the input from Peter Collins
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 22, 2019, 10:42:48 am
Nearly finished songs, It really shows what a wonderful band rush are
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: captainkurtz on October 22, 2019, 17:31:41 pm
I've loved listening to that.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: DavidL on October 22, 2019, 18:02:59 pm
Got to agree with the commentator that says Alex's guitar sounds waaaay too thin here. Interesting nevertheless.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 26, 2019, 20:59:54 pm
On A show of hands Alex's guitar sound is much bigger.

I love the chainsaw sounding guitar on The Big Money.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on October 27, 2019, 13:25:42 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 26, 2019, 20:59:54 pmI love the chainsaw sounding guitar on The Big Money.
Always thought that was their second best concert opener, after The R30 Overture of course.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on October 27, 2019, 22:06:37 pm
Quote from: Jonners on October 21, 2019, 15:28:22 pminteresting.....
Indeed. Sounds even more 80s than the finished article, but I'm liking it.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Nick on January 14, 2020, 20:45:27 pm
Has PW ever had a remix/reproduction job?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on January 14, 2020, 20:51:26 pm
Quote from: Nick on January 14, 2020, 20:45:27 pmHas PW ever had a remix/reproduction job?
I think it was one of the "Remasters" releases from some while ago but that's about it.

Regardless, PoW is perfection.  Doesn't require any kind of tinkering. :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Straight Shooter on January 15, 2020, 13:48:16 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on January 14, 2020, 20:51:26 pmI think it was one of the "Remasters" releases from some while ago but that's about it.
Most of my CDs are the earlier 'neutron' label ones but I gave my PoW to a mate when I picked up a mint 'Remaster' for £1 in the local BHF charity shop...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: DavidL on January 15, 2020, 14:45:13 pm
Quote from: Straight Shooter on January 15, 2020, 13:48:16 pmMost of my CDs are the earlier 'neutron' label ones but I gave my PoW to a mate when I picked up a mint 'Remaster' for £1 in the local BHF charity shop...
I wish I'd never replaced all of my originals for Remasters. I thought at the time 'louder' and 'punchier' was better. Wrong! In adhering to the fashion of the time (see "Loudness Wars"), dynamics were ditched.
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: captainkurtz on January 15, 2020, 16:07:02 pm
Quote from: DavidL on January 15, 2020, 14:45:13 pmI wish I'd never replaced all of my originals for Remasters. I thought at the time 'louder' and 'punchier' was better. Wrong! In adhering to the fashion of the time (see "Loudness Wars"), dynamics were ditched.
100% - glad I kept both originals and remasters...
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on January 17, 2020, 00:32:45 am
Do you know what; reading this thread, it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever actually bought the CD. 

So I just checked and sure enough, while I have all the albums in LP or CD form - and mostly in both - the only version of PoW I have is the LP bought on its release (and currently in a protective sleeve in a secure location - yeah okay, that's  the loft). :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Bez on January 17, 2020, 09:23:56 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on January 17, 2020, 00:32:45 amDo you know what; reading this thread, it occurred to me that I don't think I've ever actually bought the CD.

So I just checked and sure enough, while I have all the albums in LP or CD form - and mostly in both - the only version of PoW I have is the LP bought on its release (and currently in a protective sleeve in a secure location - yeah okay, that's  the loft). :)
So do you never listen to it?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Jonners on January 17, 2020, 13:31:19 pm
Wasnt sure where to put this, but since Neil passed away I have listened to more Rush than I have in the last 5 years.

Does anyone else hear, in the guitar solo on Closer to the heart, the same tune that is in the old TV advert for British Lamb:-

"You Dont have to have mint sauce when you cook with British Lamb?"
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: zoony on January 17, 2020, 13:59:38 pm
Quote from: Jonners on January 17, 2020, 13:31:19 pmWasnt sure where to put this, but since Neil passed away I have listened to more Rush than I have in the last 5 years.

Does anyone else hear, in the guitar solo on Closer to the heart, the same tune that is in the old TV advert for British Lamb:-

"You Dont have to have mint sauce when you cook with British Lamb?"
Can't say I have mate. Have you got a link to it?
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: Matt2112 on January 17, 2020, 20:58:24 pm
Quote from: Bez on January 17, 2020, 09:23:56 amSo do you never listen to it?
It's been a long time.  I occasionally watch live performances of some of the songs while I'm browsing YouTube, but that's about it.

I actually don't currently own a record player; I have a good CD player, good bookshelf Wharfedale speakers but no amp!

I do need to buy the CD but the only way of playing it will be in the car or on the Blu-ray player. The latter is hooked up to a sound bar and sub so it should actually sound pretty punchy through that.  :)
Title: Re: Power Windows - Album Discussion
Post by: rufus the dawg on January 20, 2020, 10:48:20 am
good cheap amps go for peanuts on the E  ba y.