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Title: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 16, 2019, 15:30:17 pm
Not long now before this starts, and it has become one of my most watched sporting events. I have been impressed with England of late, but I still keep thinking back to the car crash we had in the last one, and the fact that the Welsh always seem to beat us when it really matters. New Zealand are favourites, but have shown they can be beaten in recent times, and you can never rule out South Africa and Australia. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on September 16, 2019, 21:25:53 pm
Looking forward to it as well.....we have achance, but the stars need to align precisely for us to deliver....
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 16, 2019, 23:01:50 pm
England looked great in the warm ups but do not play well under pressure. Wales and Scotland always get better. 

The Australians always seem to be there at the end. New Zealand have to be favorites though.

I live in Wales so they are my second team behind England. Rugby is a religion where I live in mid wales.
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Post by: pxr5 on September 17, 2019, 16:32:36 pm
I'm really looking forward to this too, but no matter how good England are they will come across a banana skin at some point - probably the Welsh again.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 17, 2019, 16:53:23 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on September 16, 2019, 23:01:50 pmScotland always get better
They've been no fecking good since 1990 mate!
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 22, 2019, 21:38:05 pm
Well England got the job done today, a bonus point win, but they will know that there were far too many errors that will need to be cut out as they go on. Enjoying what I've seen so far though, but I wonder how long it will be before we see the first red card for a high/no hands tackle, which they are keeping a particular eye on.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 24, 2019, 21:39:11 pm
Quote from: zoony on September 22, 2019, 21:38:05 pmbut I wonder how long it will be before we see the first red card for a high/no hands tackle, which they are keeping a particular eye on.
Not long enough judging by the 2 yellow cards for Samoa players today. Both should have been reds.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on September 24, 2019, 22:22:57 pm
Quote from: zoony on September 24, 2019, 21:39:11 pmNot long enough judging by the 2 yellow cards for Samoa players today. Both should have been reds.

Let alone that Aussie.

Have to say the All Blacks looked ominously good in their match.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 24, 2019, 23:15:37 pm
Quote from: pdw1 on September 24, 2019, 22:22:57 pmHave to say the All Blacks looked ominously good in their match.
Yep. They just don't make the amount of errors that every other team does.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 25, 2019, 01:18:51 am
Quote from: zoony on September 17, 2019, 16:53:23 pmThey've been no fecking good since 1990 mate!
Was thinking of the 2015 Australian game that Scotland should have won, which they played fantastic in.

Scotland were dreadful in their first game though
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 25, 2019, 10:43:46 am
First shock in the group games just, Uruguay beating Fiji 30-27. Interestingly the HT score was 21-12 🙂.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 26, 2019, 14:53:20 pm
Finally a red card, but it couldn't have been anything else really. Well England done the job again, but still a lot of handling errors that we could really do with cutting out. I think we're going to go close, but I'm doubting that we've got enough to win it if I'm honest. Hope I'm wrong though.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Jonners on September 27, 2019, 15:29:19 pm
I think that the ball handling might be more difficult than we all imagine, sounds like its really hot and humid there

Glad Farrell is OK, could literally have had his head knocked off in that challenge. Very, very hard man
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 27, 2019, 23:41:41 pm
Quote from: Jonners on September 27, 2019, 15:29:19 pmGlad Farrell is OK, could literally have had his head knocked off in that challenge. Very, very hard man
Yes mate, it's frightening just how tough they are.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 28, 2019, 10:31:46 am
Japan giving Ireland a run for their money.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: döm on September 28, 2019, 11:20:38 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on September 28, 2019, 10:31:46 amJapan giving Ireland a run for their money.
First half was brilliant rugby. 2nd Ireland couldn't cope with the Japanese running and the heat and humidity.

.Japan were brilliant but Schmidt spent far too long to start making changes in those sapping conditions.

Japan may well send Scotland out of the world cup
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 28, 2019, 17:24:51 pm
Quite surprised at the Ireland result, they looked in control when I turned it off after 20 odd minutes (I'd been on nights). Perhaps they peaked too early around 12 months ago?
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 29, 2019, 20:15:09 pm
Wales beating Australia, great game to watch. Wales holding on at the end.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 29, 2019, 20:16:14 pm
Quote from: zoony on September 28, 2019, 17:24:51 pmQuite surprised at the Ireland result, they looked in control when I turned it off after 20 odd minutes (I'd been on nights). Perhaps they peaked too early around 12 months ago?
Ireland looked tired and immobile compared to Japan, who just kept running and attacking.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 30, 2019, 13:24:43 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on September 29, 2019, 20:15:09 pmWales beating Australia, great game to watch. Wales holding on at the end.
Great game apart from the result mate 😉. That's why I'm fearful of England playing them, as they seem to perform better in the bigger games.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on September 30, 2019, 15:40:53 pm
Zoony you live in Shropshire, I hang out in Bishops castle all the time. And live a few miles in to Montgomeryshire. We are neighbours!

Wales v England
England v Australia

they are massive games.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on September 30, 2019, 22:27:29 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on September 30, 2019, 15:40:53 pmZoony you live in Shropshire, I hang out in Bishops castle all the time. And live a few miles in to Montgomeryshire. We are neighbours!


That might be the case, but in my eyes, England and Wales are different countries, as are Scotland, and when it comes to sport, it makes us rivals.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 01, 2019, 19:16:35 pm
Quote from: Jonners on September 27, 2019, 15:29:19 pmI think that the ball handling might be more difficult than we all imagine, sounds like its really hot and humid there

Glad Farrell is OK, could literally have had his head knocked off in that challenge. Very, very hard man
I only caught up with the highlights today....disappointed to see him jump up after looking like he was seriously injured....it's not football, mate
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 03, 2019, 12:36:11 pm
New Zealand looking on a different level so far.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pxr5 on October 03, 2019, 15:21:33 pm
Ireland, despite their hefty win today, were pretty unconvincing against a team (Russia) who lost to a Jeresy club team. NZ were immense against Canada - I haven't seen any team anywhere near as good so far.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 04, 2019, 22:40:06 pm
England tomorrow........Coffee and cinnamon swirl pastries are in.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 05, 2019, 00:41:25 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 04, 2019, 22:40:06 pmEngland tomorrow........Coffee and cinnamon swirl pastries are in.
First big test for England tomorrow. A bonus point win would be great.

Beers in the fridge :D
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 05, 2019, 13:22:32 pm
Quote from: Bez on October 05, 2019, 00:41:25 amFirst big test for England tomorrow. A bonus point win would be great.

Beers in the fridge :D
Done and dusted :)

It was all over after the red card but England did the necessary.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 05, 2019, 21:47:10 pm
Bad timing for today's game, we had to go shopping, so I missed it. I'm at work tonight though, so will watch the highlights on my phone later. It sounds like we're doing enough, and a bit more, but will still need to raise it higher to be in with a real chance. Games are starting to get more exciting now as we approach KO qualification.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 06, 2019, 19:28:43 pm
France beat Tonga, but were disappointing.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 07, 2019, 00:29:34 am
Quote from: pdw1 on October 05, 2019, 13:22:32 pmDone and dusted :)

It was all over after the red card but England did the necessary.
Did just about enough, for me....far more serious challenges ahead...
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 07, 2019, 17:51:19 pm
All blacks played some cracking still late on against Namibia, particularly the last try.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 10, 2019, 11:24:01 am
Some entertaining rugby yesterday. Disappointed to see England's and New Zealand's games called off this weekend due to weather conditions. I'd have thought a nation as efficient and organised as Japan would have moved the games elsewhere.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: döm on October 10, 2019, 11:57:09 am
Quote from: zoony on October 10, 2019, 11:24:01 amSome entertaining rugby yesterday. Disappointed to see England's and New Zealand's games called off this weekend due to weather conditions. I'd have thought a nation as efficient and organised as Japan would have moved the games elsewhere.
It probably suits both England and France not to have to play on Saturday.  Gives them more time to prepare for the q/fs  and no chance of injuries which are always likely in such an intense fixture..

It would be rotten on Scotland though if they miss out on qualifying due to their game being cancelled.  Shame too as it was looking to be a very exciting game with qualification hinging on the result.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: The Letter R on October 10, 2019, 14:23:59 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 10, 2019, 11:24:01 amSome entertaining rugby yesterday. Disappointed to see England's and New Zealand's games called off this weekend due to weather conditions. I'd have thought a nation as efficient and organised as Japan would have moved the games elsewhere.
A massive logistical undertaking at short notice - not just the teams but what about people who have tickets - no 2 stadiums are going to be laid out the same so trying to organise new seats for everyone would be a nightmare in itself, not even taking into account those that could make it to the re-arranged venue ( extra transport needed?) and those that couldn't so which seats to re-sell. I guess you could refund and re-sell but again at short notice still a big ask. Considering the England game means nothing in terms of the competition calling it a draw is probably the most sensible outcome.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 10, 2019, 14:47:50 pm
Quote from: döm on October 10, 2019, 11:57:09 amIt would be rotten on Scotland though if they miss out on qualifying due to their game being cancelled.  
Noooo, that wouldn't be a shame at all mate 😁.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 11, 2019, 21:54:44 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 10, 2019, 14:47:50 pmNoooo, that wouldn't be a shame at all mate 😁.
I would like to see a cracking game of rugby.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 11, 2019, 23:01:59 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 11, 2019, 21:54:44 pmI would like to see a cracking game of rugby.
Well, you wouldn't see one from the Sweaties!!!!!
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 12, 2019, 21:45:54 pm
Wanted Somoa to win. Dam and double dam and blast.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 13, 2019, 15:24:04 pm
ARIGATO NIPPON! DOMO ARIGATO!!!!!
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 13, 2019, 16:55:34 pm
Japan were marvellous. 

England v Australia and then maybe New Zealand. Crikey
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 14, 2019, 10:22:21 am
Quote from: The Letter R on October 10, 2019, 14:23:59 pmA massive logistical undertaking at short notice - not just the teams but what about people who have tickets - no 2 stadiums are going to be laid out the same so trying to organise new seats for everyone would be a nightmare in itself, not even taking into account those that could make it to the re-arranged venue ( extra transport needed?) and those that couldn't so which seats to re-sell. I guess you could refund and re-sell but again at short notice still a big ask. Considering the England game means nothing in terms of the competition calling it a draw is probably the most sensible outcome.
Looks like a draw would have been a good outcome for Scotland mate 😉.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 14, 2019, 10:24:53 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 13, 2019, 16:55:34 pmJapan were marvellous.

England v Australia and then maybe New Zealand. Crikey
Yes, it looks like England are going to have to beat all 3 of the southern hemisphere giants if we are to win it. A very tough ask.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 14, 2019, 10:29:41 am
Well it was good to see the Scotland v Japan game settled on the pitch yesterday, and Scotland can have no complaints about the result. I've been impressed by Japan, and they will give the Boks a good game. Down to the KO games from next weekend then, so this is when it really starts.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 14, 2019, 15:32:39 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 14, 2019, 10:24:53 amYes, it looks like England are going to have to beat all 3 of the southern hemisphere giants if we are to win it. A very tough ask.
Tough yes, we have the team to do it,

First step Australia
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 14, 2019, 20:39:11 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 14, 2019, 15:32:39 pmTough yes, we have the team to do it,


I'd love to agree with you mate, but I can't. I really want them to do it though
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 15, 2019, 11:13:49 am
Quote from: zoony on October 14, 2019, 20:39:11 pmI'd love to agree with you mate, but I can't. I really want them to do it though
First step Australia. 

Australia are not playing so well. We are rested and ready to go.

Its going to be a cracker. And/but I'm forever the optimist. 




One day Neil will wakes up and phones Alex and say lets do one more record, Geddy agrees I have some fantastic bass lines and my voice is not to bad- "We could do a Jazz Fusion record" and Alex say "a bit like YYZ" the others go "YES!. Alex says "I love Jazz Fusion and we don't need those silly words to work around"

Only a dream, but I am optimistic it will happen.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 16, 2019, 14:31:18 pm
Bit peeved to be off this week, and my shifts start back on Saturday when the quarter finals start. Oh well, SKY go will enable me to see most of the games.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 16, 2019, 23:59:12 pm
With apologies to my friends from north of the border..... ;D

A Scotsman walks into a bar....normally there would be an Englishman, a Welshman and an Irishman, but they're all still in Japan...
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 17, 2019, 08:37:27 am
Eddie Jones drops Ford at 10 for the quarter final against the Aussies....seems sensible on the surface to go for better defenders on midfield, but I worry about the attacking side of the game.

Getting excited now!
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 17, 2019, 15:13:24 pm
Don't normally do this, but predictions for the quarter finals;
England by 10 - 15
New Zealand by 15 - 20
Wales by 10 - 15
South Africa by 10 - 15
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 17, 2019, 19:05:00 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 17, 2019, 15:13:24 pmDon't normally do this, but predictions for the quarter finals;
England by 10 - 15
New Zealand by 15 - 20
Wales by 10 - 15
South Africa by 10 - 15
No close matches then?

You have gone for the safe options there. I think one of France or Japan might just squeeze in
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: döm on October 17, 2019, 19:28:54 pm
I think Japan could spring a surprise. Sad to say but France beating Wales would be an even bigger one!
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: The Old Dog on October 17, 2019, 21:15:08 pm
Quote from: Bez on October 16, 2019, 23:59:12 pmWith apologies to my friends from north of the border..... ;D

A Scotsman walks into a bar....normally there would be an Englishman, a Welshman and an Irishman, but they're all still in Japan...
HO HO, there will be less after this weekend I'm sure .My youngest daughter is in Tokyo atm and she gets free tix to all the games as she's a guest of the RWC body thanks to a concert she was playing in as part of the cultural association with the RWC ,her 1st choice was the All Blacks games and of course the Scotland games had they made it through ,no doubt she will be cheering on the Wallabies with an aussie top and a Mcleod kilt on Saturday ,much like her father did in 1991 at Twickenham  ;) ;D .I'm not too fussed who wins as long as they are decent games good luck to all the teams taking part ..
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 17, 2019, 22:29:56 pm
Quote from: döm on October 17, 2019, 19:28:54 pmI think Japan could spring a surprise. Sad to say but France beating Wales would be an even bigger one!
When France have been good they have been very good but when they have been bad they have been truly awful.
But if they can score a couple of early tries they might just hold on.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 17, 2019, 23:35:48 pm
Quote from: pdw1 on October 17, 2019, 19:05:00 pmNo close matches then?

You have gone for the safe options there. I think one of France or Japan might just squeeze in
3 out of 4 matches by possibly ten points, which is relatively close in rugby union. Also I wouldn't say safe options, I've just gone with percentages. Anything is possible though. Japan have been a breath of fresh air, but I'd be surprised if they beat the Boks. As for France, I'd be VERY surprised if they beat Wales, more surprised than if Australia beat us.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: döm on October 18, 2019, 00:13:32 am
Quote from: pdw1 on October 17, 2019, 22:29:56 pmWhen France have been good they have been very good but when they have been bad they have been truly awful.
But if they can score a couple of early tries they might just hold on.
I really hope so!
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 18, 2019, 14:53:06 pm
Quote from: döm on October 18, 2019, 00:13:32 amI really hope so!
Hard for me to pick who I'd like to lose more out of France or Wales. Probably Wales would just edge it seeing as they have done us over more often in recent times.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 19, 2019, 11:19:54 am
Yes  ;D
What a defensive performance from England
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 19, 2019, 11:23:23 am
Quote from: pdw1 on October 19, 2019, 11:19:54 amYes  ;D
What a defensive performance from England
England played fantastic.

Can Ireland beat NZ
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 19, 2019, 11:39:05 am
Fantastic performance against the Aussies...I've called down a bit now  ;D

Come on Ireland
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 19, 2019, 14:58:31 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 17, 2019, 15:13:24 pmDon't normally do this, but predictions for the quarter finals;
England by 10 - 15
New Zealand by 15 - 20
Wales by 10 - 15
South Africa by 10 - 15
Well it looks like I was a bit conservative on the first two games, even though our game felt closer than the scoreline suggests. Great performance all round from England though, and Curry and Itoje were immense. The only dampened on the day was then seeing just how good New Zealand performed. It's quite simple - if New Zealand play to their best, no one can beat them. Hopefully they're not quite at their best next week, and we are. Then we've got a real chance.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 19, 2019, 21:43:29 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 19, 2019, 11:23:23 amCan Ireland beat NZ
Thankfully no!

The bogtrotters got whupped :)
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 20, 2019, 11:28:39 am
Wales vs All Blacks in the final then....

Welsh very lucky that Les Bleus self-imploded (again)
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 20, 2019, 11:47:02 am
Only consolation from today's first result is that one of them had to win. France were the better side, but as Bez said, they imploded. Those 5 way points they missed in front of the posts as well.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 20, 2019, 19:43:16 pm
Quote from: Bez on October 20, 2019, 11:28:39 amWales vs All Blacks in the final then....

Welsh very lucky that Les Bleus self-imploded (again)
Wales were poor today, not sure they will beat SA.

I am hopeful of Englands next match.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: döm on October 20, 2019, 21:33:56 pm
I'm convinced the second Welsh try came from a forward pass and still can't believe that it was awarded.

But when you select a player capable of such gross stupidity and indiscipline as Vahaamina you don't deserve to win.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 20, 2019, 21:40:57 pm
Quote from: döm on October 20, 2019, 21:33:56 pmI'm convinced the second Welsh try came from a forward pass and still can't believe that it was awarded.

But when you select a player capable of such gross stupidity and indiscipline as Vahaamina you don't deserve to win.
Yes look forward to me also. benefit of doubt I guess. 

What was he thinking?......he was not thinking!What an idiot.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 21, 2019, 00:09:30 am
Japan had loads of pressure and possession in the first half, but no end product. The second half was totally different, and they got monstered by the power of South Africa. Credit to Japan though, they performed better than a lot of higher ranked teams.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 21, 2019, 08:55:19 am
Quote from: zoony on October 21, 2019, 00:09:30 amJapan had loads of pressure and possession in the first half, but no end product. The second half was totally different, and they got monstered by the power of South Africa. Credit to Japan though, they performed better than a lot of higher ranked teams.
Absolutely....

The only thing I'd add would be a comment around the quality of the Boks' defence...many a team would have crumbled under the pressure that Japan put on them...
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Jonners on October 21, 2019, 13:21:25 pm
what time is KO on Saturday?

(thats kick off. not knocked out before any scotsmen try and be funny)
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 21, 2019, 13:23:08 pm
9 am Saturday
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Jonners on October 21, 2019, 13:24:39 pm
ta
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 22, 2019, 00:30:51 am
Semi final predictions then?

New Zealand by 7 - 12
South Africa by 5 - 10

I'm really enjoying the tournament so far, and there is nothing I'd like better than to see England win it again, but for every good thing I've seen from them, the all blacks still just seem to be one step ahead. Worst case scenario for me is an England v Wales final, as we would just never hear the last of it if they beat us to win the world cup, so I'd rather not have that possibility.  So I'm desperately hoping that I'm wrong with one of my predictions,  and it's not the second one!
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 22, 2019, 10:44:54 am
England 21 - 15 NZ
Wales 12 - 17 SA

England - South Africa Final
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Jonners on October 23, 2019, 11:55:51 am
I think Eddie Jones handled it nicely in the press conference yesterday

"Hands up who thinks we can win?"

Pressure is off, we have lost 15 out of 16 against the greatest sporting team ever.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: The Old Dog on October 23, 2019, 21:04:35 pm
Can't see Wales beating the Boks not on the performance last weekend .The All Blacks looked good as well but there is still more to come from them by the look of it ,didn't watch the England game at all due to a late finish at work the night before and it being an early kick off ,don't think they will overcome the All Blacks though .. Don't know if anyone else has noticed this but the crowd noise id fairly minimal on itv coverage yet listening to the radio it's totally different ok I have a standard tv with no surround or 5.1 gubbins but you hear more of the ref than you do of the crowd ..
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 23, 2019, 21:18:51 pm
I have finally caught up with the NZ vs Ireland match.
To be honest I dont think NZ looked all that brilliant just ruthlessly efficient.
Ireland on the other hand were awful.

I think there is hope for England and not just Bob but they need to be at their best.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 23, 2019, 21:29:24 pm
Quote from: Jonners on October 23, 2019, 11:55:51 amPressure is off, we have lost 15 out of 16 against the greatest sporting team ever.
Could be some mind games there, but it's a good shout that they're the greatest sporting team ever. As he says, they're a nation of just 4 million people, and have got a win percentage at rugby union of around 90%. Astonishing when you think about it.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pxr5 on October 23, 2019, 23:39:14 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 23, 2019, 21:29:24 pmCould be some mind games there, but it's a good shout that they're the greatest sporting team ever. As he says, they're a nation of just 4 million people, and have got a win percentage at rugby union of around 90%. Astonishing when you think about it.
Impressive yes. But Rugby Union is almost a religion in New Zealand. My dad lived there, and served in the RNZAF, for 12 years. The average NZ man, he said, based his life around 3 things - Rugby Union, gambling and boozing - women came a poor 4th. That was in the 60s, different times of course, but Rugby really runs in their blood. In fact, it's really impressive that both Australia and New Zealand do very well in so many sports.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 24, 2019, 00:39:56 am
Quote from: pxr5 on October 23, 2019, 23:39:14 pmImpressive yes. But Rugby Union is almost a religion in New Zealand. My dad lived there, and served in the RNZAF, for 12 years. The average NZ man, he said, based his life around 3 things - Rugby Union, gambling and boozing - women came a poor 4th. That was in the 60s, different times of course, but Rugby really runs in their blood. In fact, it's really impressive that both Australia and New Zealand do very well in so many sports.
You forgot the sheep.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 24, 2019, 14:53:59 pm
George Ford recalled for the N Zealand game then.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on October 25, 2019, 01:06:39 am
Quote from: zoony on October 24, 2019, 14:53:59 pmGeorge Ford recalled for the N Zealand game then.
Yep....and Lawes keeps his place....I would have started with Kruis myself and had Lawes on the bench to cover the back row and 2nd row....getting very nervous now
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 26, 2019, 10:57:28 am
Fantastic performance by England in the first half, hopefully we can keep it up. If we're being greedy, it should probably be more with the possession and territory we've had. Itoje has been immense, and New Zealand look rattled. Still a long way to go though.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 26, 2019, 12:09:33 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 26, 2019, 10:57:28 amFantastic performance by England in the first half, hopefully we can keep it up. If we're being greedy, it should probably be more with the possession and territory we've had. Itoje has been immense, and New Zealand look rattled. Still a long way to go though.
Yes! What a fantastic performance from England, and I'm absolutely delighted to be proved wrong, as I said I didn't think we were quite good enough to beat New Zealand. We played with confidence and no fear, and there were some massive performances out there with everyone one tackling as if their lives depended on it. You could argue that the game was won with that try in the first 90 seconds, as it looked like it put doubt in the minds of the all blacks, and they never got going at their brilliant best. As I said before, I'll be hoping it's South Africa against us in the final, as I just don't want the possibility of losing a world cup final to the Welsh.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Matt2112 on October 26, 2019, 12:20:27 pm
Enjoyed that. :)
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 26, 2019, 13:43:27 pm
Quote from: pdw1 on October 23, 2019, 21:18:51 pmI have finally caught up with the NZ vs Ireland match.
To be honest I dont think NZ looked all that brilliant just ruthlessly efficient.
Ireland on the other hand were awful.

I think there is hope for England and not just Bob but they need to be at their best.
I'll stand by that quote. What a game
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 26, 2019, 15:06:44 pm
By the time I got up, England were leading 13-0 with 30 minutes to go. Couldn't bear to watch, especially when I flicked back to see it was 13-7, although I did steel myself to sit through the last five minutes.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 26, 2019, 20:00:35 pm
That is best I have ever seen England play. We should have had one of the disallowed tries as well. 

Come on Wales make it an England v Wales final.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pxr5 on October 26, 2019, 20:32:05 pm
Before this game I didn't think England could win against a very good NZ team. So glad to be proved wrong. England were immense. I'm a nightmare to be with when watching England at the best of times - I get so nervous and jumpy my wife normally stays well away. But this morning we watched it together and she loved it as much as me. Same as when we watched the world cup cricket final, she hasn't watched a game in her life but was screaming at the TV - the same as this morning. I'm still buzzing and have an awful headache still from all the tension. My brother-in-law has final tickets too, and now he gets to see England (no I'm not jealous at all). Great stuff today.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 27, 2019, 13:23:20 pm
Not the best of games this morning, but the right result from my point of view. Wales have never looked like being good enough to win this tournament in any of their games, but you just know that they would have been so up for it against us, and that was my big worry. Onto a massive battle against South Africa in next weeks final then, and it's going to be bone crunching! If we play like we did against Australia and New Zealand, we will take some stopping. It's all on the day though. Jonny May was a bit of a concern yesterday, he didn't seem to be moving as freely and quickly as usual. Hope he's 100% ready for the final.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pxr5 on October 27, 2019, 21:12:12 pm
Zoony I agree. I'd prefer England to play SA rather than Wales. The game was so different to the England game. Neither side wanted to make mistakes and that led to a stale kicking game. I think SA were marginally better than Wales.

I was thinking about his earlier. If England win the final, they would have beaten all the major South Hemisphere teams (Argentina, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa), without playing any of the main Northern Hemisphere teams (Scotland, Wales, Ireland, France and Italy) - cool.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Blastzone on October 27, 2019, 23:08:55 pm
Aye, well done to your team.Immense against the All Blacks
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 28, 2019, 07:46:57 am
I don't follow rugby union week in week out in their premiership, but I have to admit that when it comes to the internationals and tournaments, I get more enjoyment from it these days than I do from football. Everything about it is so much better. The sportsmanship, the respect to the officials, the way they get 99% of the TMO calls correct, and it's all explained so everyone can see and hear, and then you've got both sets of supporters mixed in with each other, all getting on and allowed to have a beer together while watching the game in your seats. Football has got so much to learn from rugby.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on October 28, 2019, 10:20:14 am
Totally agree zoony, also happy 30000 posts!

Wales SA was a poor game. Wales had a chance towards the end at 16 all, but the lost control. They will regret not trying throw the ball around a bit. I also thought SA were offside all the time.

SA will not be able to bulldoze England like they did Wales and we will have more players that can break the line and suck in their players. I'm on holiday in Scotland and in the car so going to have to keep the radio off and watch it on catch up.

I had an interesting conversation with an American football supporter I know it horses for courses, but I am not sure an American football player could live with some of those tackles.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 28, 2019, 10:44:53 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on October 28, 2019, 10:20:14 amTotally agree zoony, also happy 30000 posts!


That was waaayyyy back mate, 39k now. Yes, I am a sad bastard 🤪.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 30, 2019, 19:50:09 pm
This is a really interesting article
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/oct/30/england-vision-coach-dr-sherylle-calder-eddie-jones-rugby-mastermind-world-cup-interview

England seem to have picked up the marginal gains philosophy of Sky cycling.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 30, 2019, 19:52:21 pm
Quote from: pdw1 on October 30, 2019, 19:50:09 pmThis is a really interesting article
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/oct/30/england-vision-coach-dr-sherylle-calder-eddie-jones-rugby-mastermind-world-cup-interview

England seem to have picked up the marginal gains philosophy of Sky cycling.
Jiffy bags and Salbutamol?
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pdw1 on October 30, 2019, 20:36:36 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 30, 2019, 19:52:21 pmJiffy bags and Salbutamol?
I hope not  :(
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on October 31, 2019, 15:41:41 pm
For only the second time since he has been in charge, Eddie Jones has named an unchanged side for the final. Barring injury, you can't really argue with that after the performance against New Zealand.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Slim on November 01, 2019, 10:23:06 am
Not a fan of rugby and literally couldn't name a single player if you held a gun to my head, but if England wins tomorrow - quite a successful year for British sport. I'm sure Lewis Hamilton will pick up another F1 driver's title. Good showing at the athletics world championships and the Cricket World Cup. Shame about the Ashes.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on November 01, 2019, 12:15:29 pm
Decent enough game in the what I think is totally pointless 3rd place match. The all blacks were very good in patches, and it just showed how well England played against them last week where we just never allowed them to play.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on November 02, 2019, 12:03:38 pm
Can't even be bothered to watch the last few minutes. As has happened several times in recent years, we were found wanting when it really mattered. I always said that it would be a big ask to beat all 3 of the southern hemisphere giants in one tournament though. Whereas the semi final was won in the first couple of minutes, the final was lost in the very early stages, and we never looked like winning. Probably harsh to criticise individuals, but there were a few who were well off it today. The scrum was creamed, and there were way too many loose passes. Very disappointing ending to a great tournament, and another defining game that will be best forgotten very quickly by all Englishmen.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: döm on November 02, 2019, 12:35:11 pm
England played their final last week. They played the perfect game against the All Blacks and just couldn't match that performance today.

In contrast South Africa just did enough to beat Wales and saved their best for today.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 02, 2019, 12:46:58 pm
Chokers.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: pxr5 on November 02, 2019, 13:01:55 pm
Something went badly wrong with England, they were a totally different team. You could just tell from the first play something was amiss. SA deserved to win, of course, but I don't get how a team can go from playing so well to that mess.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on November 02, 2019, 19:43:45 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 02, 2019, 12:46:58 pmChokers.
Can't argue with that mate. Lost 3 out of 4 world cup finals now, and quite a few deciding matches for the 6 nations in recent times.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: Bez on November 02, 2019, 20:14:36 pm
Outplayed in every department....well done SA, but a real opportunity missed
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on November 02, 2019, 21:19:37 pm
Quote from: Bez on November 02, 2019, 20:14:36 pmOutplayed in every department....well done SA, but a real opportunity missed
It was as good as over when Cole had to come on for 77 minutes mate. So disappointing when everyone was a 9 or 10 last week, and only Itoje got above a 6 today.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: DavidL on November 03, 2019, 09:18:59 am
Just seen coverage of the medal ceremony where England players refused to have their medals placed around their necks. Disgraceful behaviour - should be fined by thr RFU. Idiots
#heroestozeroes
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: zoony on November 03, 2019, 11:51:07 am
Quote from: DavidL on November 03, 2019, 09:18:59 amJust seen coverage of the medal ceremony where England players refused to have their medals placed around their necks. Disgraceful behaviour - should be fined by thr RFU. Idiots
#heroestozeroes
I can understand them not wanting them actually. Perhaps they should have wore them for show, and then throw them away out of the public eye. I certainly don't agree that they should be fined for it though.
Title: Re: RWC 2019
Post by: rufus the dawg on November 05, 2019, 14:45:45 pm
Buggar

SA should have been penalised for been offside all the time.