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Title: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Chalker the Stalker 2 on December 24, 2018, 15:23:04 pm
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/dec/24/geddy-lee-on-rush-greatest-songs


+ Geddy Lee curated Spotify playlist




Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: zoony on December 24, 2018, 22:27:08 pm
Good read. First time I've heard of that Grace to grace though?
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on December 24, 2018, 22:47:57 pm
Quote from: zoony on December 24, 2018, 22:27:08 pm
Good read. First time I've heard of that Grace to grace though?

It's from My Favourite Headache and it's shit LOL!

Geddy's solo album shows he was the main reason for the decline in Rush.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: rufus the dawg on December 24, 2018, 23:37:41 pm
.....some of the comments on the article are worth reading.

Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on December 25, 2018, 01:28:54 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on December 24, 2018, 23:37:41 pm
.....some of the comments on the article are worth reading.

They are?


Someone who claims to have seen them in Leeds on the PeW tour - not me even though I did - says "On the morning of the concert, I was pumping gas at a part-time job I had during high school." Yes. Right, In the UK we don't "Pump Gas" and "High School"? You mean a bog standard comp at best in Leeds. There's nowt high in Leeds - apart from the smell of its residents DIRTY LEEDS!!!!
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Slim on December 25, 2018, 12:45:33 pm
"Through all the years Peart was in Rush, Lee never wrote a lyric" - don't think that's right. Tears. But you can't trust the Guardian.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Analog RH on December 26, 2018, 17:15:49 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on December 24, 2018, 22:47:57 pm
It's from My Favourite Headache and it's shit LOL!

Geddy's solo album shows he was the main reason for the decline in Rush.



Decided to give Ged's solo album another go recently. It was even more dire than I remembered.
Also revisited Victor and, whilst much better, not as great as I recalled it being.
Proof that the sum was greater than the parts I think.

Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: döm on December 27, 2018, 00:10:11 am
Quote from: Slim on December 25, 2018, 12:45:33 pm
"Through all the years Peart was in Rush, Lee never wrote a lyric" - don't think that's right. Tears. But you can't trust the Guardian.



Different strings too. Still an excellent article though  from an excellent publication, voted the most trustworthy newsaper in the UK just a few weeks ago. May lose that crown now though 😉


And Nick don't think that Leeds could possibly be in the UK. Is there an Amrrican version?
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: The Letter R on December 27, 2018, 09:43:19 am
"Trustworthy UK Newspaper" ........ ??? :o ..... that's a great example of an Oxymoron.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Matt2112 on December 27, 2018, 10:39:15 am
Quote from: döm on December 27, 2018, 00:10:11 am

Different strings too. Still an excellent article though  from an excellent publication, voted the most trustworthy newsaper in the UK just a few weeks ago.



Compared to who? Hardly a ringing endorsement.  :)
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Thailand Express on December 27, 2018, 13:00:35 pm
Quote from: döm on December 27, 2018, 00:10:11 am
Different strings too.



And Cinderella Man.


Anybody get Geddy's book for Xmas?

Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: The Letter R on December 27, 2018, 14:00:14 pm
Quote from: Thailand Express on December 27, 2018, 13:00:35 pm
Anybody get Geddy's book for Xmas?



Not received yet but it's on order from Amazon.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: döm on December 27, 2018, 14:12:06 pm
Quote from: The Letter R on December 27, 2018, 09:43:19 am
"Trustworthy UK Newspaper" ........ ??? :o ..... that's a great example of an Oxymoron.



Agreed, its not a particularly strong field.


https://www.pressgazette.co.uk/survey-finds-that-uk-written-press-is-by-some-way-the-least-trusted-in-europe/
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: L3rxst on December 28, 2018, 12:01:28 pm
Never the less a great article and always good to hear the band speak eh?
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Jonners on January 04, 2019, 10:14:45 am
Quote from: Analog RH on December 26, 2018, 17:15:49 pm

Decided to give Ged's solo album another go recently. It was even more dire than I remembered.
Also revisited Victor and, whilst much better, not as great as I recalled it being.
Proof that the sum was greater than the parts I think.



As did I. Its not great is it! ACtually made me feel a bit poorly. Victor is just a mess
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: döm on January 04, 2019, 12:00:25 pm
It's a very mediocre album. Always liked Working at Perfekt though.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Jonners on January 04, 2019, 12:22:07 pm
It was a rather nasty sign of things to come regarding the ability to fit words/phrases etc into a listeneable vocal melody/tune
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Matt2112 on January 04, 2019, 13:24:52 pm
Ged's album has its moments, but is quite patchy.  Victor is much stronger, but neither are indispensable.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Bisto on January 04, 2019, 15:33:32 pm
5 years is quite a lag between the respective release dates of these albums, quite a bit longer than I had previously thought. MFH just sounds like tracks that, even in the highly unlikely event that they would have been presented to the rest of the band and made it past the collective quality control as far as the studio in the 80's, they would have been left on the cutting room floor and binned.

They set the bar so high in the 70's and 80's and still recorded some worthwhile material in the 90's, but that enforced hiatus after T4E had a disastrous effect on the band, for me at least; that was when the band, and Geddy in particular, started to lose it for me; there was far too much dense layering, multi-tracking and overdubbing and I couldn't take to a lot of Geddys vocal arrangements, especially some of the harmonies, which I found really jarring; the overall effect of this was to spoil some otherwise promising/interesting musical ideas, but even many of these were often the result of disparate bits n bobs being hobbled together and not so much seemlessly blended with pro tools, as mIG welded in what seemed like an incongruous and almost arbitrarily fashion at times, particularly on the Snakes and Arrows album...the only songs I can listen to without cringing (on that album) are the 3 instrumentals. The overall effect makes that (and the Feedback EP) the only Rush albums that I've never listened to in their entirety more than a few times. Clockwork Angels fares little better (with me) for similar reasons, although in general, the songs are at least better crafted.

Geddy mentioned that the band wished they could have re-recorded the Presto album, well they certainly made the Vapor Trails album sound better with only Alex really adding anything musically to the remix.....If I could wave my magic wand ...I would have bought in a variety of guest vocalists, musicians and writers to open up the music and provide a counterpoint to Geddy's vocals...just for one album. (and tour)..and made the arrangements simpler and give the songs room to breathe...any overdubs would be added (and played live on tour) by additional vocalists and musicians. I would also keep Peart and Geddy totally out of the process of lyric writing and laying down vocals until presented with the completed instrumentals which they would then add to. After that Geddy and the guest vocalists would make their contributions.....then, finally after, I'd make them all rehearse it and record it live for the studio album....then take it on the road.

I'dalso have liked them to have recorded at least one OST with instrumental songs and incidental music per decade.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Jonners on January 04, 2019, 18:18:17 pm
Someone has got some time on their hands me thinks, or is drinking again!
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Matt2112 on January 04, 2019, 20:58:22 pm
I like the idea of an OST; it's certainly worked for Trevor Rabin.  In fact, Rabin would be a good choice for producer - in the absence of Peter Collins, of course.  :)
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Bisto on January 05, 2019, 01:42:51 am
Quote from: Jonners on January 04, 2019, 18:18:17 pm
Someone has got some time on their hands me thinks, or is drinking again!



Is that a polite way of saying I talk a lot of shit? :o
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Slim on January 05, 2019, 15:40:13 pm
Quote from: The Letter R on December 27, 2018, 09:43:19 am
"Trustworthy UK Newspaper" ........ ??? :o ..... that's a great example of an Oxymoron.

In the Grauniad's case, without a doubt. Mainly written by dishonest and/or hysterically special people. But there are some honest and sane newspapers out there still - the Telegraph and the Express especially.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Slim on January 05, 2019, 15:44:41 pm
I like Victor a lot, haven't listened to it for a couple of years, must give it a spin again. The really good stuff on there is just so much more interesting, creative and well-crafted than anything Rush did since the early '80s, or possibly even the '70s. Have to agree that Geddy's effort is just an amusical dull thud. Not even irritating enough to be interesting; just pointless.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: döm on January 05, 2019, 16:52:17 pm
Quote from: Slim on January 05, 2019, 15:40:13 pm
In the Grauniad's case, without a doubt. Mainly written by dishonest and/or hysterically special people. But there are some honest and sane newspapers out there still - the Telegraph and the Express especially.



Oh come on Slim. I'd agree with the Telegraph to a degree but The Express is about as truthful as Trump!
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: DavidL on January 05, 2019, 22:39:04 pm
Quote from: döm on January 05, 2019, 16:52:17 pm

Oh come on Slim. I'd agree with the Telegraph to a degree but The Express is about as truthful as Trump!
Sore loser. The Express started to campaign for our exit from the EU over five years ago with no support from any other papers. They are also campaigning for an end to our ridiculous foreign aid expenditure,dignity for the elderly and an end to the persecution of soldiers that served in Northern Ireland. No reason to believe that they will be any less successful in those campaigns than they were in securing our exit from the EU. They are both aims that most reasonable UK citizens support.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: döm on January 06, 2019, 21:48:50 pm
I won't spoil this Rush thread any further with talk of that awful publication.  I get the impression though that this version of TNMS is in a parallel universe where the Express is reputable .
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: DavidL on January 06, 2019, 23:17:32 pm
I know it upsets you but The Express is a very successful newspaper
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: DavidL on January 06, 2019, 23:29:47 pm
Quote from: Bisto on January 04, 2019, 15:33:32 pm
5 years is quite a lag between the respective release dates of these albums, quite a bit longer than I had previously thought. MFH just sounds like tracks that, even in the highly unlikely event that they would have been presented to the rest of the band and made it past the collective quality control as far as the studio in the 80's, they would have been left on the cutting room floor and binned.

They set the bar so high in the 70's and 80's and still recorded some worthwhile material in the 90's, but that enforced hiatus after T4E had a disastrous effect on the band, for me at least; that was when the band, and Geddy in particular, started to lose it for me; there was far too much dense layering, multi-tracking and overdubbing and I couldn't take to a lot of Geddys vocal arrangements, especially some of the harmonies, which I found really jarring; the overall effect of this was to spoil some otherwise promising/interesting musical ideas, but even many of these were often the result of disparate bits n bobs being hobbled together and not so much seemlessly blended with pro tools, as mIG welded in what seemed like an incongruous and almost arbitrarily fashion at times, particularly on the Snakes and Arrows album...the only songs I can listen to without cringing (on that album) are the 3 instrumentals. The overall effect makes that (and the Feedback EP) the only Rush albums that I've never listened to in their entirety more than a few times. Clockwork Angels fares little better (with me) for similar reasons, although in general, the songs are at least better crafted.

Geddy mentioned that the band wished they could have re-recorded the Presto album, well they certainly made the Vapor Trails album sound better with only Alex really adding anything musically to the remix.....If I could wave my magic wand ...I would have bought in a variety of guest vocalists, musicians and writers to open up the music and provide a counterpoint to Geddy's vocals...just for one album. (and tour)..and made the arrangements simpler and give the songs room to breathe...any overdubs would be added (and played live on tour) by additional vocalists and musicians. I would also keep Peart and Geddy totally out of the process of lyric writing and laying down vocals until presented with the completed instrumentals which they would then add to. After that Geddy and the guest vocalists would make their contributions.....then, finally after, I'd make them all rehearse it and record it live for the studio album....then take it on the road.

I'dalso have liked them to have recorded at least one OST with instrumental songs and incidental music per decade.
Good post. I certainly agree with your opinion of S&A. I think the instrumentals are probably the best tracks on there. I only listened to it the other day for the first time in ages. At least three songs should never had made the cut. As you say, too much layering and too many multi-tracked vocals.
I've got a copy on CD of MFH and I don't think I've ever listened to it all the way through. Victor is also poor.
Not sure I'm with you on the guest/additional musicians though. Interesting post, all the same - nice one!


Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: zoony on January 07, 2019, 05:22:55 am
Far Cry is one of the best tracks they ever done in my opinion.
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: DavidL on January 07, 2019, 08:19:08 am
Quote from: zoony on January 07, 2019, 05:22:55 am
Far Cry is one of the best tracks they ever done in my opinion.
That is a decent track - would've been better without the 'ooohs' though!
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: döm on January 07, 2019, 09:12:42 am
Quote from: DavidL on January 06, 2019, 23:17:32 pm
I know it upsets you but The Express is a very successful newspaper



True on both counts
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: Jonners on January 07, 2019, 10:44:04 am
Quote from: zoony on January 07, 2019, 05:22:55 am
Far Cry is one of the best tracks they ever done in my opinion.



Blimey
Title: Re: 'Even I can barely make sense of our concept albums'
Post by: zoony on January 22, 2019, 23:46:34 pm
Quote from: Jonners on January 07, 2019, 10:44:04 am

Blimey



Thought you might say that mate 😉.