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Title: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on September 21, 2018, 11:40:23 am
IT'S BACK!  Actually it's been back for a couple of weeks.  Has anyone noticed?


Predictably dominated by internecine, circular arguments about Brexit.  Which is possibly part of the reason why we've found ourselves in such a mess in the first place...  :-\


Anyway, it all might be exasperating, but at least it doesn't really annoy me like questions such as last night's based on the endorsement of Sayeeda Warsi's perpetual and bogus victimhood narrative.   And in Dewsbury of all places, which flatly rejected Warsi as a parliamentary candidate; you couldn't make it up.  ::)


Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on September 21, 2018, 13:39:07 pm
I've noticed, but can't bring myself to watch it, I don't want to destoy my telly!
Can't bear all the 5th rate politicians and Z grade "celebs" who appear on it.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on September 22, 2018, 13:29:30 pm
I watched it on Thursday for the first time in a good while.
The Labour bloke was a dick, the Tory was a dick, The lawyer was a dick, Vince was just Vince and the woman from the Telegraph looked pretty until she opened her mouth and bile came out...
We're doomed
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 05, 2018, 01:22:53 am
Lively one tonight.

Social Justice Warriors getting their identity politics in a hopeless muddle as ever.

Isabel Oakeshott looking down her nose at folk - often justifiably - as ever.

Token besuited sensible guy not a politician as ever.

Union Flag Thornberry as batty as ever.

Get them all back for next week.  And throw Farage into the mix - boom!
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: zoony on October 05, 2018, 12:28:07 pm
Isabel Oakeshott is cute.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 05, 2018, 14:09:03 pm
Well, "George The Poet" wound me up a bit last night.  So here's a message for him:

The plural of anecdote
Is not "Data";
Claiming this nation is xenophobic
On a panel provided for you by the State-funded BBC
Makes yourself no less of a hater.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 05, 2018, 18:00:28 pm
I want to jump up and down on George the "Poet"'s head.

Does that make me a racist?

No, it makes me completely rational and sane. He needs it. I'd do the same to Thornberry, that doesn't make me a misogynist.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on October 05, 2018, 18:16:13 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 05, 2018, 18:00:28 pm
I want to jump up and down on George the "Poet"'s head.

Does that make me a racist?

No, it makes me completely rational and sane. He needs it. I'd do the same to Thornberry, that doesn't make me a misogynist.



It makes you inherently violent!
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 05, 2018, 20:31:17 pm
Quote from: döm on October 05, 2018, 18:16:13 pm

It makes you inherently violent!

I am the least violent person in the world. However, some people deserve a good bit of having their head jumped up and down on, even if only metaphorically, as I don't want blood and snot all over my shoes :)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 07, 2018, 11:31:28 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 05, 2018, 18:00:28 pm
I want to jump up and down on George the "Poet"'s head.

Does that make me a racist?



According to George, it doesn't matter; you (and I) were racist and xenophobic before he gave us cause to be annoyed.  Because we're white Brits who need lectures from regressive SJW's before we know how to think and behave.

For an example of the "bigotry of low expectations", look no further than George on QT.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 07, 2018, 15:14:32 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 07, 2018, 11:31:28 am
According to George, it doesn't matter; you (and I) were racist and xenophobic before he gave us cause to be annoyed.  Because we're white Brits who need lectures from regressive SJW's before we know how to think and behave.

For an example of the "bigotry of low expectations", look no further than George on QT.

There's a real lack of comprehension in today's world. The audience bloke said Britain was on of the "least" racist countries out there. Why can't people understand the qualifying word "least".

People only seem to be able to deal with their own certainties. There is only one certainty: Old Rush Good, New Rush Bad :)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on October 08, 2018, 10:22:18 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 07, 2018, 11:31:28 am
According to George, it doesn't matter; you (and I) were racist and xenophobic before he gave us cause to be annoyed.  Because we're white Brits who need lectures from regressive SJW's before we know how to think and behave.

For an example of the "bigotry of low expectations", look no further than George on QT.


I think he has a point, but expressed it poorly.

For me, much of the result of the EU referendum was driven by immigration and that makes us xenophobic (to a degree)

He was an irritating dick, but I much preferred listening to him than Isobel Oakeshot (sp?)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 08, 2018, 22:01:34 pm
Quote from: Bez on October 08, 2018, 10:22:18 am
For me, much of the result of the EU referendum was driven by immigration and that makes us xenophobic (to a degree)



But surely not to the extent George was claiming - somewhat hysterically.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bisto on October 10, 2018, 00:14:19 am
I probably shouldn't comment on this as I've not seen QT for 2 years or more, but....is it really xenophobia that drove much of the result of the BREXIT vote? I'm not sure how you would go about proving that case.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on October 10, 2018, 10:20:10 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 08, 2018, 22:01:34 pm

But surely not to the extent George was claiming - somewhat hysterically.

Absolutely....but then he's a black man from a city, so his experience will be vastly different to ours...
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 10, 2018, 15:26:53 pm
Quote from: Bez on October 10, 2018, 10:20:10 am
Absolutely....but then he's a black man from a city, so his experience will be vastly different to ours...



Indeed, all the more reason why should be mindful not to extrapolate from his personal experience to that of the general population.  I note the (non-white) immigrants in the audience were quick to challenge his claims.  As stated earlier, the plural of anecdote is not data.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 11, 2018, 11:26:43 am
QuoteDavid Dimbleby presents topical debate from the Scottish Parliament in Edinburgh. On the panel: Conservative MP for Aberdeen South Ross Thomson, former leader of the Scottish Labour Party and former contestant on I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here Kezia Dugdale MSP, Brexit minister for the Scottish government Mike Russell MSP, crime writer Val McDermid and Spectator editor Fraser Nelson.

Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on October 12, 2018, 09:13:32 am
I have it recorded, but probably won't watch as it'll be loaded with referendum II talk....I see enough of that on Facebook from Dods  ;)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 12, 2018, 23:09:05 pm
Yes, missed it myself and it's not a priority on the to-watch list.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on October 19, 2018, 01:13:58 am
Great to see Flinters giving that snake Alistair Campbell a bit of a kicking over the call for a people's vote on This Week tonight. Got quite heated. I think he ended up wanting to give her another black eye to match the one she was sporting tonight!
Why do these Remoaners (losers) continue to push the line that no one voted to be worse off?
a) They don't know that that is the case
b) They have no idea whether anyone will be worse off after Brexit
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on October 19, 2018, 01:38:05 am
Guesting on This Week, Primal Scream lead singer Bobby Gillespie made a complete tit of himself. The word moron springs to mind.
Pretty certain he'll look back on that and regret accepting the invitation, unless he is a moron of course.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on October 19, 2018, 15:29:22 pm
Didn't watch the episode but saw the Nish Kumar clip which ends


"Boris Johnson has abdicated all responsibility and squats down and squeezes out a weekly column for the Telegraph"   ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 19, 2018, 17:02:35 pm
Nish Kumar's rant was a highlight, but the rest of it was the usual Brexit/Bremain internecine merry-go-round, all heat and little light.  Ended up zoning and out playing with my phone - there could be another 30 months of this.  ::)     
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on October 19, 2018, 17:40:36 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 19, 2018, 17:02:35 pm
Nish Kumar's rant was a highlight, but the rest of it was the usual Brexit/Bremain internecine merry-go-round, all heat and little light.  Ended up zoning and out playing with my phone - there could be another 30 months of this.  ::)   


Cleverly (if ever a man was mis-named!!)was a dick
Starmer needed to answer questions and stop waffling
Dobbs was good value when he managed to get a word in and the woman from the Economist almost talked some sense.

As Matt says, Kumar's rant was the highlight
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on October 25, 2018, 23:26:06 pm
Paul Mason on tonight, so be warned for a stream of hyperbole, hysteria and baffling conspiracy theories.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on November 09, 2018, 16:19:44 pm
Bloody hell...Jordan Peterson was on QT!!  And placed next to Diane Abbott to boot.  I'm pretty sure they do these things on purpose.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on November 15, 2018, 20:45:21 pm
Essential viewing tonight, surely?

Panel doesn't look that exciting though; I'm only familiar with Tim Stanley and Stephen Kinnock, and the latter only because of his dad.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on November 15, 2018, 21:12:46 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 15, 2018, 20:45:21 pm
Essential viewing tonight, surely?

Panel doesn't look that exciting though; I'm only familiar with Tim Stanley and Stephen Kinnock, and the latter only because of his dad.
Like father, like son.....idiot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d9Hm7_1DCo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8d9Hm7_1DCo)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on November 15, 2018, 21:33:14 pm
Barry Gardiner in for Stephen Kinnock.


David's disapproval probably sent him running  ;D
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on November 15, 2018, 21:40:50 pm
Quote from: döm on November 15, 2018, 21:33:14 pm
Barry Gardiner in for Stephen Kinnock.


David's disapproval probably sent him running  ;D
No Kinnock?......  Alright!!
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bisto on November 16, 2018, 22:24:49 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 09, 2018, 16:19:44 pm
Bloody hell...Jordan Peterson was on QT!!  And placed next to Diane Abbott to boot.  I'm pretty sure they do these things on purpose.



Peterson is a fascinating character, I've a lot of time for him. I do wonder how much longer he can keep this breakneck pace up though? He's come such a long way in such a short span of time.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on November 16, 2018, 23:25:52 pm
Quote from: Bisto on November 16, 2018, 22:24:49 pm

Peterson is a fascinating character, I've a lot of time for him. I do wonder how much longer he can keep this breakneck pace up though? He's come such a long way in such a short span of time.



Absolutely.  The (in)famous half-hour interview with Channel 4's dreadful Cathy Newman is an absolute must-see.  I'd never heard of him before it.  I've never seen such a conceited, over-promoted broadcaster on a hatchet mission and fixated on regressive identity politics so utterly, calmly, clinically annihilated as Newman was by Peterson.


He's brilliant on issues like that, but somewhat bizarrely incoherent when being an apologist for religious piety.  There's plenty of stuff to peruse on Youtube (assuming there's time to spare) where he locks horns with Sam Harris and they have interesting and amicable discussions on that score.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on November 16, 2018, 23:51:06 pm
QT was bloody awful this week.
The Tory woman was a dick, Sorotca(sp?) was a c*** talking the Corbyn line evry time he opened his mouth about an election- you had one and lost, remember? The labour guy was a dick. The Telgraph guy was a dick and the Plaid woman didn't get a word in....
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on November 17, 2018, 00:14:56 am
Quote from: Bez on November 16, 2018, 23:51:06 pm
QT was bloody awful this week.
The Tory woman was a dick, Sorotca(sp?) was a c*** talking the Corbyn line evry time he opened his mouth about an election- you had one and lost, remember? The labour guy was a dick. The Telgraph guy was a dick and the Plaid woman didn't get a word in....
I agree. Clare Perry was an arse and Serwotka turned every answer to his own narrow agenda. Not very often I think the most reasonable panellist is a Labour MP!
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on November 17, 2018, 13:41:38 pm
Quote from: DavidL on November 17, 2018, 00:14:56 am
I agree. Clare Perry was an arse and Serwotka turned every answer to his own narrow agenda. Not very often I think the most reasonable panellist is a Labour MP!



Thirded.  Claire Perry is simply deranged.  The Labour guy is actually a likeable chap (he was also on not so long ago) even if I don't agree with half the things he says.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bisto on November 18, 2018, 12:45:28 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 16, 2018, 23:25:52 pm



Absolutely.  The (in)famous half-hour interview with Channel 4's dreadful Cathy Newman is an absolute must-see.  I'd never heard of him before it.  I've never seen such a conceited, over-promoted broadcaster on a hatchet mission and fixated on regressive identity politics so utterly, calmly, clinically annihilated as Newman was by Peterson.


He's brilliant on issues like that, but somewhat bizarrely incoherent when being an apologist for religious piety.  There's plenty of stuff to peruse on Youtube (assuming there's time to spare) where he locks horns with Sam Harris and they have interesting and amicable discussions on that score.




I've not delved too much into the religious stuff but so far what I've heard hasn't been too offensive. He does have a Science background underpinning his 25 years of practice as a clinical Pyschologist and he seems to have a more Jungian and utilitarian take on the Bible from what I've seen rather than a literal, evangelical one. He hates the rampant deconstructionism of the Marxist left and appears to have a very clinical, almost Libertarian approach to interpreting  and formatting social data and facts that reminds me of Friedman and Sowell in particular, and I think that keeping the interpetive political bias out of the data as it it is administered and implemented into Law, and the workings of Government departments and programs is the only rational way in which to organise any society....(Utilitarian solutions, limited Government and devolved power are the way to go imho);...however, I do think he's as guilty of throwing the baby out with the bath water over postmodernism as the extreme left are with Capitalism, which is something he often accuses them of.


Whatever you might think about his religious beliefs, he is an important intellectual thinker and his popularity and notoriety is helping to promote deep thinking, enquiry and public debate on very important issues outside of the usual confines of the Universities, political think tanks and frankly useless, scripted TV shows such as QT etc. which can only be a good thing imho...plus he seems a genuinely honest, self critical and down to earth man who is well aware of his own fallibilities and weaknesses.


Im NOT in any way comparing myself to him as a Thinker, that would be ludicrous, but I have a lot of time for him and Canadians in general; the older I become the more I am aware of my own lack of intellectual prowess, critical thinking skills, breadth of knowledge and understanding and of my many, many character flaws; I'm also someone who struggles to keep a lid on their temper and frustraion at times, especially when confronting/confronted by idiots and c***s, but I was brought up to be respectful and tolerant, somewhat reluctantly so, and therefore seeing him straining to keep his Canadian reserve and manners in a similar way (though obviously under far more challenging circumstances) is both amusing and somewhat reassuring. 😁
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Slim on November 18, 2018, 13:06:11 pm
I don't often watch QT these days but I was in a hotel in Chelmsford with not a lot else to do on Thursday night, so I did.


Was delighted to see the redoubtable Claire Perry present - probably the best performer on radio / TV interviews and debates of any of the parties, and yep - she took on all comers and slapped them down mercilessly. Exactly the sort of fearless, no-nonsense willingness to get stuck in and punish our opponents for their stupidity that's conspicuously lacking from the leader of our party at the moment. Superb, and I was delighted to see her calling Corbyn out for the raging anti-semite that he is. No quarter given; zero shit taken from the Momentum mouth-breathers in the audience.


Having said all that, I didn't agree with a word she said about May's Instrument of Surrender to the European Union, but I had to admire her elequent passion and the power of her delivery. Bravo.


Like others who have commented I do have some time for Labour's Barry Gardiner; he may be consistently wrong but he does maintain a level of dignity and decorum that seems rather out of place in today's Labour Party. I have to say though that his defence on this programme of his party's position on Brexit is rather hypocritical, given that he is on record as describing it, quite correctly of course, as "bollocks".


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/10/labour-minister-barry-gardiner-sorry-good-friday-agreement-shibboleth (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/apr/10/labour-minister-barry-gardiner-sorry-good-friday-agreement-shibboleth)


I thought the Telegraph's Tim Stanley was excellent - couldn't disagree with a word he said, even during his blue-on-blue with Claire. Unfortunately he comes across as a bit cold and charmless.


I can't actually remember anything that Cymru's Liz Saville Roberts said.

Who else? Ah yes, the Corbynista union leader clown Mary Serwotka. The despicable man who memorably suggested that the Labour anti-semitism row was an inside job by the Israelis. Be wary of anyone who starts a sentence with "I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but.."


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-israel-corbyn-mark-serwotka-tuc-trade-union-pcs-a8535986.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-antisemitism-israel-corbyn-mark-serwotka-tuc-trade-union-pcs-a8535986.html)


As I recall his answer to every question raised by the audience was a General Election, in order to allow the healing power of Hard Left Socialism to bring about the prosperity needed for health care and housing, as it has done to such great effect in Venezuela.

Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Slim on November 25, 2018, 12:46:19 pm
Interested to see the discussion about Jordan Peterson. I have a lot of time for him as well (as you might expect, since he's become a bit of a darling of the right) but I'm a bit uneasy about some of his shtick. I loved his takedown of Cathy Newman and agree with his view on the so-called gender pay gap, and on gender identity for example. He's been a breath of sane fresh air on topics where the default position seems to involve switching off your brain.
Spot on on the basic stupidity in the idea of the EU and the likelihood of the whole thing falling apart.

"I think the European state is doomed. Because it grew too fast. There's not the proper hierarchy of identification. People are saying - "wait, Brussels? Who the hell are you guys? Why are you making decisions for us?"
And are you sure that Greece and Germany can be in the same place? Because that's by no means self-evident. The Germans aren't happy about it; the Greeks aren't happy about it.One of the rules for making organisations is that it's a lot easier to make a functional organisation worse, than it is to make a dysfunctional organisation better."

But his idea on white privilege for example. I find it troubling. Here's what he says:

"I think the idea of white privilege is absolutely reprehensible. And it's not because white people aren't privileged. You know, we have all sorts of privileges, and most people have privileges of all sorts, and you should be grateful for your privileges and work to deserve them, I would say. But, the idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime, regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group, there is absolutely nothing that's more racist than that. It's absolutely abhorrent".

I think he's right in what he says here strictly speaking, but that misses the point, doesn't it? It may be a natural function of community, rather than of racism as many assume (obviously that does contribute to it, to be fair). But that doesn't mean it's not real. I think he misses the point.

I also find the old-fashioned conservative stuff about toughening up young men and all that a bit backward and stale. And I was troubled to see him supporting Tommy Robinson when he was banged up, that's a big red flag for me.

I suspect he's not much less an atheist than I am, and he's come up with a formula to compromise his religious view to avoid offending the right-wing Christians who support him. The usual thing of abstracting the idea of "God" until it's almost meaningless.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bisto on November 25, 2018, 18:05:03 pm
Quote from: Slim on November 25, 2018, 12:46:19 pm
Interested to see the discussion about Jordan Peterson. I have a lot of time for him as well (as you might expect, since he's become a bit of a darling of the right) but I'm a bit uneasy about some of his shtick. I loved his takedown of Cathy Newman and agree with his view on the so-called gender pay gap, and on gender identity for example. He's been a breath of sane fresh air on topics where the default position seems to involve switching off your brain.
Spot on on the basic stupidity in the idea of the EU and the likelihood of the whole thing falling apart.

"I think the European state is doomed. Because it grew too fast. There's not the proper hierarchy of identification. People are saying - "wait, Brussels? Who the hell are you guys? Why are you making decisions for us?"
And are you sure that Greece and Germany can be in the same place? Because that's by no means self-evident. The Germans aren't happy about it; the Greeks aren't happy about it.One of the rules for making organisations is that it's a lot easier to make a functional organisation worse, than it is to make a dysfunctional organisation better."

But his idea on white privilege for example. I find it troubling. Here's what he says:

"I think the idea of white privilege is absolutely reprehensible. And it's not because white people aren't privileged. You know, we have all sorts of privileges, and most people have privileges of all sorts, and you should be grateful for your privileges and work to deserve them, I would say. But, the idea that you can target an ethnic group with a collective crime, regardless of the specific innocence or guilt of the constituent elements of that group, there is absolutely nothing that's more racist than that. It's absolutely abhorrent".

I think he's right in what he says here strictly speaking, but that misses the point, doesn't it? It may be a natural function of community, rather than of racism as many assume (obviously that does contribute to it, to be fair). But that doesn't mean it's not real. I think he misses the point.

I also find the old-fashioned conservative stuff about toughening up young men and all that a bit backward and stale. And I was troubled to see him supporting Tommy Robinson when he was banged up, that's a big red flag for me.

I suspect he's not much less an atheist than I am, and he's come up with a formula to compromise his religious view to avoid offending the right-wing Christians who support him. The usual thing of abstracting the idea of "God" until it's almost meaningless.



Im fairly new to him but have found some of his pronouncements to be quite confrontational, and I think that is mostly deliberate but, to be fair, I think its usually more in response to the kind of Marxist rants he constantly faces and the media hatchet jobs, pprsonal attacks and the ways in which his opponents try and frame him politically. I'm not suggesting I have a more correct view on him re those points but you might benefit from reading or listening to Peterson a bit more widely rather than taking those points in isolation; for instance he believes in allowing people such as Robinson free speech not only as a way of advancing debate and dialogue and exposing Racism, Fascism, Marxism etc. but of making and keeping them visible and in the public domain rather than driving them underground.


Peterson is about promoting the individual and he sees the individual (as well as Society as a whole) benefitting the most from each individual taking on the maximal amount of responsibility, living meaningful lives and transforming the world through speaking the truth diligently and forthrightly; there's a sense In which he sees that as somewhat akin to God creating order from chaos through logos and by confronting the shadow, another one of his favourite themes...he's quite the Jung devotee in fact


I suspect that he wouldn't call himself a born again Christian but I have no doubt that he sincerely believes that the scriptures provide a useful, perhaps even essential, blueprint for how one should live....he certainly has gone very deeply into the meaning of Genesis and the Architypal structures and meanings contained in the creation stories; he does also credit the teachings of other religious traditions, but, being a Westerner he sees the Bible as the most important narrative in forming the Judao-Christian tradition that has shaped Western ideas and ideals of Morality, Democracy and Culture...even Capitalism...so much so that he sees them as being encoded in our psyche.



As regards missing the point on white privilege, he is very clear about advocating equality of opportunity (rather than outcome, which he views as abhorrent) b there are some very difficult barriers to breach; Peterson uses Scientific data to back up his assertions, he argues that apparent privelege is more often than not a function of competence hierarchies working themselves out in individuals and socioeconomic structures within society...he also draws attention to the Pareto distribution effect...which are naturaly occuring phenomena and nothing to do institutional bias...for instance it's seen in the disproportionate distribution of matter in certain areas of the Cosmos, in the growth of Trees and Cities...there are also other factors, which are very difficult to confront but which are nontheless undeniable, such as ghettoisation, which in itself leads to the lowering of the standard, quality and relevance of education experienced by black males in particular....and, probably the most contentious of all, the unequal distribution of IQ amongst different homogenous racial groups, which has implications and adverse consequences for young black men in particular, certainly in the USA


The minimum wage also prices many uneducated people out of certain jobs which in turn prevents them from economic and social advancement as they can't learn on the job skills which would give them experience and enhance their CVs and future prospects...this has an effect on family stability...there is a huge correlation between the institution of the minimum wage in the USA in the 1960's and the decrease in the number of 2 parent black families, the decline in literacy, college and high school graduation and the rise in the number of convicted, male, black offenders. None of that is down to Racism.
Hierarchies are obviously prone to corruption, especially where conservatism dominates rather true Liberalism (in the classic sense); narcissiism, the old boy network/old school tie etc are undeniably real issues and of course Racism does exist but they tend to operate in relatively smallsspheres of influence and arent institutional ,ma thats not to say that it shouldnt be acknowledged and dealt with, but those other, deeper factors are too often overlooked or denied, including hand wringing, white Politicians and SJDs

Its too easy/convenient to blame successful "white people" ( and attribute privelege to them generally when it's more often a case of individual people progressing, including some, but by no means all, of the white population (amongst other individuals from "other ethnic backgrounds") who achieved their level of success by benefitting from a  relatively more stable family life, living in a safer neighborhood, receiving a good education which they made good use of and by their own hard work; and the, if they are really good, the Pareto effect kicks in; the more competent and successful you are, the greater the number and quality of opportunities that are likely to come to you, regardless of your skin tone/ethnicity/culture

Government social programs tend to be very wasteful and offer one size fits all solutions that produce hit and miss or mixed results at  best Which is partly why Peterson places so much emphasis on individual improvement and attainment

Politicians love to throw money at problems but Big government has failed to provide good quality, relevant educational opportunities and real choice to those for whom education is their only realistic hope of socioeconomic advancement.

Big Government, big government departments and big government programs are monumentally wasteful and extract far too much compulsory tax from the tax payer; a poor, uneducated, employed person is disproportionately  penalised economically in comparison to an educated person with a good career; not only does he/she pays a higher proportion of his overall income in wage tax, he/she typically commences work several years earlier (rather than going to Uni), works many thousands of hours longer, usually in a more physically demanding job, and typically dies sooner after retirement than someone with a better education and better healthcare...they are therefore effectively subsidizing the pensions of the "middle class" and are less likely to pass on the kind of financial legacy to their children/grandchildren that could help elevate them out of poverty.

Having said all that, being mired in poverty trap is also down to individual choices, attitudes, habits and patterns of behaviour as well as other social and cultural factorsa; again, these aren't likely to come about as the result of "privelege" ...which carries the connotation of being unearned, undeserved or at the expense of another "section of society.




Apologies for rambling incoherently on and on...again.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on November 28, 2018, 00:22:03 am
Last week's programme was nearly as bad as the week before's.

Bring on Fiona Bruce
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 28, 2018, 00:28:26 am
Quote from: Bez on November 28, 2018, 00:22:03 am

Bring on Fiona Bruce

Please, no.


Can't stand the shekky-headed, patronising bint. She must have some serious dirt on the Beeb's top brass.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on November 28, 2018, 01:31:44 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 28, 2018, 00:28:26 am
Please, no.


Can't stand the shekky-headed, patronising bint. She must have some serious dirt on the Beeb's top brass.
Sneer, sorry.....Rear of the Year 2010
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on November 28, 2018, 17:59:44 pm
Fiona Bruce would not be my choice.  If they must have a woman because she's a woman  ::)   then Jo Coburn is far better qualified, surely?  And definitely no-one at all from Newsnight, they're all dreadful nowadays.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bisto on November 28, 2018, 18:14:54 pm
Robin Day's Spitting Image puppet
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on November 28, 2018, 22:24:31 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 28, 2018, 17:59:44 pm
And definitely no-one at all from Newsnight, they're all dreadful nowadays.
At least you'd not see Maitliss's nobbly knees....or half of Kirsty Wark's clothes
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on November 30, 2018, 12:35:14 pm
Oh dear, oh dear...

Tory bloke - tied himself in knots and refused to answer direct questions
Labour woman - OMG, that voice. Corbyn die-hard? Party line and avoided any tough questions.
Benny Z - what was the point?
Lib Dem woman - Spoke some sense, but undid anything she said by admitting that this was all new to her....
Weatherspoons bloke - Made some good points. Hilarious. "Bring back Boris" what a twat.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on November 30, 2018, 22:30:52 pm
It was hideously boring, but then the Brexit debate has been stale for a while.

There was barely any light relief from Andrew Neil afterward; it looks as if even he has got tired of taking the piss out of it.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on December 06, 2018, 20:14:39 pm
Chakrabarking on tonight; get your faces ready for your palms.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Slim on December 07, 2018, 15:58:09 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on November 28, 2018, 17:59:44 pm
Fiona Bruce would not be my choice.  If they must have a woman because she's a woman  ::)   then Jo Coburn is far better qualified, surely?  And definitely no-one at all from Newsnight, they're all dreadful nowadays.

(http://truth.justdied.com/images/fiona_qt.png)

Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on December 08, 2018, 10:07:27 am
Ah well; see how it goes.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on December 09, 2018, 00:48:32 am
Chakrabarking on form this week, siding with criminals rather than those tasked with law enforcement. If you refuse to stop when ordered by a police officer, you're probably a wrong 'un.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on December 13, 2018, 23:42:14 pm
Last one for Mr Bumblebee tonight.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on December 14, 2018, 18:36:41 pm
Just caught up....it was a cracker
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on January 11, 2019, 00:08:45 am
Fiona Bruce's debut tonight.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on January 11, 2019, 13:58:36 pm
Terrific face-off on This Week between Andrew Neil and the ever-hysterical Owen Jones, who between them have a bit of "history" and a clear mutual dislike  - clip here. (https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/andrew-neil-owen-jones-this-week-bbc-video-spectator-islamophobia/); highly recommended viewing.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on January 11, 2019, 22:47:32 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on January 11, 2019, 13:58:36 pm
Terrific face-off on This Week between Andrew Neil and the ever-hysterical Owen Jones, who between them have a bit of "history" and a clear mutual dislike  - clip here. (https://inews.co.uk/news/politics/andrew-neil-owen-jones-this-week-bbc-video-spectator-islamophobia/); highly recommended viewing.

Yes I saw this last night also. Both Portillo and Neil did not answer Owens questions - what hypocrites.


They didn't like it up 'em
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on January 11, 2019, 23:05:04 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on January 11, 2019, 22:47:32 pm
Yes I saw this last night also. Both Portillo and Neil did not answer Owen's questions - what hypocrites.

They shouldn't allow such a chippy little pipsqueak to ask questions of them. They should kick him to the ground and jump up and down on his head. That's what he asks for just by existing, the loathesome little gobshite.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on January 11, 2019, 23:45:23 pm
I thought it was a decent debut for Bruce. She didn't share contributions among the panellists very well though, a couple ended up just making up the numbers. She is definitely up to the job, with her impressive knowledge of current affairs. Nish Kumar relished his role of lefty comic playing to the crowed but slipped up big time when challenged by Melanie Phillips after insulting her purely for effect.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on January 11, 2019, 23:49:36 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on January 11, 2019, 23:05:04 pm
They shouldn't allow such a chippy little pipsqueak to ask questions of them. They should kick him to the ground and jump up and down on his head. That's what he asks for just by existing, the loathesome little gobshite.



WTF is on the top of Andrew Neils head?


does he feed it? does he take for a walk?
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on January 12, 2019, 00:52:54 am
Quote from: DavidL on January 11, 2019, 23:45:23 pm
I thought it was a decent debut for Bruce. She didn't share contributions among the panellists very well though, a couple ended up just making up the numbers. She is definitely up to the job, with her impressive knowledge of current affairs. Nish Kumar relished his role of lefty comic playing to the crowed but slipped up big time when challenged by Melanie Phillips after insulting her purely for effect.


I agree for the most part....it was less Antiques Roadshow than I was expecting....she did let Emily Thornberry speak to much and didn't push Lammy hard enough about his plan B, but generally OK.

Must be hard shoes to fill and she'll need a while to find her feet....
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on January 12, 2019, 01:35:13 am
Quote from: Bez on January 12, 2019, 00:52:54 am
I agree for the most part....it was less Antiques Roadshow than I was expecting....she did let Emily Thornberry speak to much and didn't push Lammy hard enough about his plan B, but generally OK.


Think you mean Cleverly
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on January 13, 2019, 00:41:26 am
Quote from: DavidL on January 12, 2019, 01:35:13 am
Think you mean Cleverly


Ooops, I do indeed mean Cleverly....all Torys look the same  ;)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on January 13, 2019, 01:41:39 am
Quote from: Bez on January 13, 2019, 00:41:26 am
Ooops, I do indeed mean Cleverly....all Torys look the same  ;)
David Lammy  is a Labour MP (hope you didn't mean something else?)  ;)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on January 14, 2019, 17:19:29 pm
Quote from: DavidL on January 13, 2019, 01:41:39 am
David Lammy  is a Labour MP (hope you didn't mean something else?)  ;)


Can't think what you mean..... ;D

btw, I've awarded myself a level 1 feckwittery badge for my previous posts... :-[
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on January 17, 2019, 15:11:47 pm
QuoteFiona Bruce presents debate from Derby, with a panel of politicians and other guests facing topical questions from the audience. She is joined by minister for justice with responsibility for prisons Rory Stewart, shadow home secretary Diane Abbott, deputy leader of the SNP at Westminster Kirsty Blackman, journalist Isabel Oakeshott and professor of European politics and foreign affairs at King's College Anand Menon.


Oakeshott for the Alt-Right and Abbott for the CTRL-Left should make it entertaining in their own ways.

Goodness knows what the topics under discussion might be.  ::)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on January 18, 2019, 00:42:43 am
5 minutes in and Fiona Bruce has already shredded Abbott around Corbyn's ability to talk to Hamas, but not May.


And there, my friends, is why Labour wouldn't win an election.....
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on January 18, 2019, 01:17:11 am
Anand Menon seems like a sensible chap....
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Pricey on January 18, 2019, 13:21:04 pm
my favourite bit last night who said , he wasn't bothered as much by Brexit and the fall out as the prospect of DA and JC controlling security of the country or words to that effect .
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on January 18, 2019, 13:21:47 pm
Quote from: Bez on January 18, 2019, 00:42:43 am
5 minutes in and Fiona Bruce has already shredded Abbott around Corbyn's ability to talk to Hamas, but not May.

And there, my friends, is why Labour wouldn't win an election.....



Spot on.  Also, Abbott, like her Dear Leader, can not and/or will not explain a coherent position on her party's policies.  She just waffles and misdirects and what-abouts with those simpering eye-rolls every single time.  And as an audience member so rightly pointed out, imagining her as Home Secretary is far more alarming than any concerns about Brexit. 


Last night's QT was the first time I've watched Fiona Bruce's stewardship properly and I was impressed overall - pounced upon weaknesses in the panel's arguments quite astutely and relentlessly. 


That said, the slight but probably unavoidable downside at times was that her interjections spoiled the flow of the conversation, but I'll probably get used to that.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: zoony on January 18, 2019, 14:44:17 pm
Oakeshott looks hotter every time she's on there.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on January 24, 2019, 12:57:41 pm
QuoteFiona Bruce presents debate from Winchester. On the panel are the Brexiteer and former Brexit minister who resigned her post over Theresa May's deal, Suella Braverman MP, the shadow secretary of state of housing, John Healey MP, chief leader writer at the Observer and former policy adviser to Ed Miliband, Sonia Sodha, the executive chairman of the communications agency Cicero Group, Iain Anderson, and Express columnist and radio host on the weekday breakfast programme at LBC, Nick Ferrari.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on January 25, 2019, 08:45:02 am
Who thought that Nick Ferrari would be the best contributor on a panel of 5....

Braverman is mad
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on January 25, 2019, 09:00:51 am
Didn't watch either. I did catch the clip from This Week where James Delingpole is absolutely destroyed over his complete misunderstanding about how WTO will work. Marvellous stuff !
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on January 25, 2019, 09:22:08 am
Thought Braverman was the best of an atrocious panel.  Fortunately some of the audience's contributions were very good.

Sodha was the mad one for me.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on February 01, 2019, 00:44:26 am
Turned off after 18 minutes tonight....this lot couldn't make a personality between them...
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on February 01, 2019, 20:04:04 pm
Quote from: Bez on February 01, 2019, 00:44:26 am
Turned off after 18 minutes tonight....this lot couldn't make a personality between them...



Yes, I zoned out fairly quickly, especially as the trendy Tory woman was a "So, " merchant.  >:( ::)   Look, you could have the intellect, astuteness, insight, oration, wit and charisma of Christoper Hitchens, but start your sentence with a superfluous "So.." then all that follows is moot.  It's SO, SO annoying.  :-\
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on February 02, 2019, 00:37:23 am
Ken Livingstone was hilarious on This Week trying to defend Venezuela's Maduro. The eminently sensible Alan Johnson was having none of it. His arguments were ripped to shreds. The man is delusional.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on February 14, 2019, 22:39:14 pm
J R-M and Geoff Norcott on tonight - outrageous BBC right-wing Brexit bias. :)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Richard_2112 on February 15, 2019, 13:20:59 pm
All good things must come to an end I suppose

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47251264
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on February 15, 2019, 19:55:09 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on February 14, 2019, 22:39:14 pm
J R-M and Geoff Norcott on tonight - outrageous BBC right-wing Brexit bias. :)


It was pretty dull tbh....

JRM always comes across as completely reasonable until one digests the words that actually come out of his mouth...
Norcott is a dick
Lisa Nandy, I want to like her, but I can't....
Mr Wikipedia didn't merit a place on the panel
Blakely was another waste of a slot...
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on February 15, 2019, 23:08:55 pm
Quote from: Richard_2112 on February 15, 2019, 13:20:59 pm
All good things must come to an end I suppose

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47251264 (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47251264)



Thank god for that, chairman of the spector, Owen Jones made mince meat out of both Portillo and Neil the other week.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on February 15, 2019, 23:25:04 pm
Quote from: Bez on February 15, 2019, 19:55:09 pm
It was pretty dull tbh....

JRM always comes across as completely reasonable until one digests the words that actually come out of his mouth...
Norcott is a dick
Lisa Nandy, I want to like her, but I can't....
Mr Wikipedia didn't merit a place on the panel
Blakely was another waste of a slot...



I watched it for 20 minutes or so.


JRM just spews out contradictory thinking. It really is scary. I was ok with Norcott his points fell flat and not really funny.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on February 16, 2019, 00:56:06 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on February 15, 2019, 23:08:55 pm

Thank god for that, chairman of the spector, Owen Jones made mince meat out of both Portillo and Neil the other week.

Owen Jones would struggle to make minced meat out of mince!
He'd probably start blubbing because some poor animal had been minced.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on February 16, 2019, 01:49:20 am
Quote from: rufus the dawg on February 15, 2019, 23:08:55 pm

Thank god for that, chairman of the spector, Owen Jones made mince meat out of both Portillo and Neil the other week.



Hardly!  Calling Poe on this one.

Owen Jones was destroyed - all he had was whataboutery and special pleading.  As usual.

If you want to hear from a gay person with a far better grasp on what liberalism should be about then Douglas Murray is your man.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on February 16, 2019, 22:08:19 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on February 15, 2019, 23:08:55 pm

Thank god for that, chairman of the spector, Owen Jones made mince meat out of both Portillo and Neil the other week.
That must've been a different episode to the one I watched then.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on February 16, 2019, 22:10:02 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on February 15, 2019, 23:25:04 pm

I watched it for 20 minutes or so.


JRM just spews out contradictory thinking. It really is scary. I was ok with Norcott his points fell flat and not really funny.
No comedian is funny unless they're a lefty, it's the law
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on February 22, 2019, 11:46:31 am
What a rogues' gallery last night.

Former Labour colleagues heatedly firing the No True Scotsman at each other - cracking stuff.

Woman from Spiked oh-so-contrary and worthy - and oh-so-tedious; just wanted her to do one, tbh.

Tory guy not much better until the Begum issue which he explained very well.  Folk will still bang a drum for her self-imposed situation regardless.  ::)


John Barnes was easily the best panel member - someone who's actually got his head screwed on.  More consistent than he ever was for England.  ;) 
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 07, 2019, 22:21:05 pm
QT has been pretty soul-crushing recently; even Henning Wehn last week couldn't be arsed cracking any gags after the first ten minutes.

Thankfully, Owen Jones is on tonight, and while he often might have folk tearing their hair out, at least he'll show a bit of passion and keep it lively.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on March 08, 2019, 00:19:27 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on March 07, 2019, 22:21:05 pm
QT has been pretty soul-crushing recently; even Henning Wehn last week couldn't be arsed cracking any gags after the first ten minutes.

Thankfully, Owen Jones is on tonight, and while he often might have folk tearing their hair out, at least he'll show a bit of passion and keep it lively.
Hopefully he'll have his "never mind Venezuela, socialism is the answer" opinions well and truly dismantled..again. Passion is no substitute for common sense  ;)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 08, 2019, 11:08:44 am
Quote from: DavidL on March 08, 2019, 00:19:27 am
Hopefully he'll have his "never mind Venezuela, socialism is the answer" opinions well and truly dismantled..again. Passion is no substitute for common sense  ;)



This is true.  And yet again he was soon off on one of his Mornington Crescent rants where Everything Is The Right's Fault.  Well-meaning, probably; blinkered, most definitely.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on March 09, 2019, 07:55:57 am
Not qt but I really enjoyed the exchange between Mark Francois and and Will Self. I think they appeared on the Daily Politics yesterday.


Francois completely discredited himself with faux  outrage which showed he couldnt or didn't want to understand basic English. What a cock!
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 14, 2019, 21:42:00 pm
Three MPs on tonight who will blame each other for the Brexit omnishambles while they all steal their tax payer-funded wages, plus Julia Hartley Brewer to keep things the right side of sane, plus some Uni professor I've never heard of.  Enjoy...  :-\
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on March 15, 2019, 00:26:12 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on March 14, 2019, 21:42:00 pm
Three MPs on tonight who will blame each other for the Brexit omnishambles while they all steal their tax payer-funded wages, plus Julia Hartley Brewer to keep things the right side of sane, plus some Uni professor I've never heard of.  Enjoy...  :-\



Julie Hartley Bewer has never been on the right side of sane. If that's your hope Matt, it's a forlorn one!
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 15, 2019, 09:24:36 am
Quote from: döm on March 15, 2019, 00:26:12 am

Julie Hartley Bewer has never been on the right side of sane. If that's your hope Matt, it's a forlorn one!



A straight-talker, unlike the rest of the panel.  Even though I don't necessarily always agree with her politically.


Great heated exchange between two blokes in the audience btw, well worth seeing.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on March 15, 2019, 16:04:48 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on March 15, 2019, 09:24:36 am

A straight-talker, unlike the rest of the panel.  Even though I don't necessarily always agree with her politically.


Great heated exchange between two blokes in the audience btw, well worth seeing.



Surely sanity is defined by what you say more than how you say it ?


Thanks for the tip I'll look out for it
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 15, 2019, 17:54:16 pm
Quote from: döm on March 15, 2019, 16:04:48 pm

Surely sanity is defined by what you say more than how you say it ?


Thanks for the tip I'll look out for it



I'm not a staunch Brexiter like her, however other than that she generally speaks a lot of sense; a proper centre-ground secularist who has no truck with militant identity politics etc.  If you only see her on QT which is dominated by Brexit ad nauseum then I imagine she's going to be more difficult to identify with.  :) [size=78%]  [/size]
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on March 17, 2019, 00:21:17 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on March 07, 2019, 22:21:05 pm
QT has been pretty soul-crushing recently; even Henning Wehn last week couldn't be arsed cracking any gags after the first ten minutes.

Thankfully, Owen Jones is on tonight, and while he often might have folk tearing their hair out, at least he'll show a bit of passion and keep it lively.
Caught up with this one today. Thought Javed Khan gave a solid performance and Raab did well to defend himself (a future Tory leader?). I've noticed that Owen Jones seems to twitch in a strange manner when anyone is expressing an opinion he doesn't agree with. The word 'twerp' could have been invented for him. I'm quite impressed with Fiona Bruce, who's proving to be a safe pair of hands (as well as an award winning pair of buttocks).
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 21, 2019, 13:56:58 pm
QuoteFiona Bruce presents an hour of topical debate from Belfast. On the panel: Conservative defence minister and former captain in the Royal Green Jackets Tobias Ellwood MP, who became the focus of public attention two years ago when he attempted to save the life of PC Keith Palmer who was fatally wounded in the Westminster Bridge attack; shadow solicitor general for England and Wales Nick Thomas-Symonds MP, previously a barrister and academic, as well as an author of books on Clement Attlee and Nye Bevan; the DUP's Jeffrey Donaldson MP, a former corporal in the Ulster Defence Regiment and Northern Ireland's longest serving current MP; Sinn Fein's John O'Dowd MLA, minister of education at Stormont between 2011-2016; and chief executive of the think-tank Demos Polly MacKenzie, who was previoisly chief policy advisor to Nick Clegg.


"..previoisly..."?   Tut, tut, BBC Online.  ::)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on March 22, 2019, 12:10:44 pm
Surprisingly coherent debate on QT last night. Normally when  the programme comes from Ulster it falls into mud slinging,party political chaos.

I'm no denying that the DUP & Sinn Fein guys on the programme weren't entrenched in their respective positions, but I managed to get to the end of the show.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 22, 2019, 13:01:58 pm
Quote from: Bez on March 22, 2019, 12:10:44 pm
Surprisingly coherent debate on QT last night. Normally when  the programme comes from Ulster it falls into mud slinging,party political chaos.

I'm no denying that the DUP & Sinn Fein guys on the programme weren't entrenched in their respective positions, but I managed to get to the end of the show.



I didn't - fell asleep after 10 minutes.  :) [size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 29, 2019, 01:45:00 am
Goodness me...if Damian Hinds can achieve a Cabinet position, there's hope for us all.

Is there anyone more irritating, inarticulate and over-promoted in the Tory party at the moment? 

Starts all his sentences with "So.." to top all that off.  AAAAAAARGH!!!  A sixth-former in a 50-year-old's body.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on March 29, 2019, 11:44:34 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on March 29, 2019, 01:45:00 am
Goodness me...if Damian Hinds can achieve a Cabinet position, there's hope for us all.

Is there anyone more irritating, inarticulate and over-promoted in the Tory party at the moment? 

Starts all his sentences with "So.." to top all that off.  AAAAAAARGH!!!  A sixth-former in a 50-year-old's body.


Overall it was a poor panel last night, especially considering the week's events...

Varoufakis (sp?) got my vote as MotM
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on March 29, 2019, 12:29:43 pm
Quote from: Bez on March 29, 2019, 11:44:34 am
Overall it was a poor panel last night, especially considering the week's events...

Varoufakis (sp?) got my vote as MotM



Yes, I really like the guy, even if sometimes he seems a bit idealistic.  Got plenty of time for Greeks, which is just as well really...  ::) ;)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on March 29, 2019, 13:35:28 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on March 29, 2019, 12:29:43 pm
Got plenty of time for Greeks, which is just as well really...  ::) ;)
Well, you do hang around with Rush fans! Oh, you said GREEKS...
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on April 04, 2019, 17:39:03 pm
QuoteFiona Bruce presents an hour of topical debate from Dulwich in South London.
On the panel: Jeremy Wright MP, secretary of state for digital,
culture, media and sport, conservative;
David Lammy, MP for Tottenham, Labour;
Mairead McGuinness MEP, vice president of the European
Parliament and a member of Leo Varadkar's Fine Gael party;
Ash Sarkar, senior editor at Novara media, lecturer and left-wing activist; and
Charles Moore, columnist for the Daily Telegraph and the Spectator, former editor of both publications and of the Sunday Telegraph, and
biographer of Margaret Thatcher.


Interesting: David "White Saviour" Lammy and the insufferable regressive SJW Ash Sarkar on tonight.  ::) 
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on April 04, 2019, 21:12:41 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on April 04, 2019, 17:39:03 pm
Interesting: David "White Saviour" Lammy and the insufferable regressive SJW Ash Sarkar on tonight.  ::)



When dealing with Irish issues I never have much credit to Mairead McGuiness but she is excellent on Brexit.  She has a much better grasp of it than most UK politicians.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on May 01, 2019, 15:27:50 pm
Just idly browsing the BBC QT website's upcoming transmissions and they're coming to Halifax on 27th June!  Obviously I've applied, and I bet the venue is Square Chapel - which I advised via their "Suggest a Venue" facility.  Fiona Bruce will probably know it from filming two editions of Antiques Roadshow at the adjacent Piece Hall last summer. 

Richard...see you there? ;)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on May 01, 2019, 15:39:52 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on May 01, 2019, 15:27:50 pm
Just idly browsing the BBC QT website's upcoming transmissions and they're coming to Halifax on 27th June!  Obviously I've applied, and I bet the venue is Square Chapel - which I advised via their "Suggest a Venue" facility.  Fiona Bruce will know probably it from filming two editions of Antiques Roadshow at the adjacent Piece Hall last summer. 

Richard...see you there? ;)


Nice, I'll look out for you....

Last week's is worth catching up with on demand...as lively an audience as I've seen with guests out of their collective depths.

"Brexit actor" is particularly hilarious.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on May 01, 2019, 17:39:09 pm
Quote from: Bez on May 01, 2019, 15:39:52 pm
Nice, I'll look out for you....

Last week's is worth catching up with on demand...as lively an audience as I've seen with guests out of their collective depths.

"Brexit actor" is particularly hilarious.



Saw the clip of him losing it with Caroline Lucas.  Awful man. Doubt he'll ever appear on QT again (if he has any sense)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on May 01, 2019, 20:48:35 pm
Quote from: döm on May 01, 2019, 17:39:09 pm

Saw the clip of him losing it with Caroline Lucas.  Awful man. Doubt he'll ever appear on QT again (if he has any sense)



Played a dwarf in LotR I believe.....
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Richard_2112 on May 01, 2019, 22:47:20 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on May 01, 2019, 15:27:50 pm
Just idly browsing the BBC QT website's upcoming transmissions and they're coming to Halifax on 27th June!  Obviously I've applied, and I bet the venue is Square Chapel - which I advised via their "Suggest a Venue" facility.  Fiona Bruce will probably know it from filming two editions of Antiques Roadshow at the adjacent Piece Hall last summer. 

Richard...see you there? ;)

Aye I'll give it a bash, not holding out much hope though cause I've applied for QT loads of times in the past and never got on.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on May 09, 2019, 19:35:29 pm
Farage and Soubry on tonight, should keep things lively.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on May 09, 2019, 20:50:00 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on May 09, 2019, 19:35:29 pm
Farage and Soubry on tonight, should keep things lively.
That would have been more fun after the 23rd  ;D
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: zoony on May 09, 2019, 23:04:16 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on May 09, 2019, 19:35:29 pm
Farage and Soubry on tonight, should keep things lively.



I know Farage has got his critics, but that Soubry is something else. Horrible self centred bitch.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on May 10, 2019, 09:02:52 am
Fell asleep toward the end.  ::)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on May 10, 2019, 11:49:03 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on May 10, 2019, 09:02:52 am
Fell asleep toward the end.  ::)
I managed to watch all of it, miraculously. Highlight was probably Farage to Amber Rudd: "You lied! Stop lying to us!". Soubry was as adamant as ever that she knows what's best for everybody - "my constituents did not vote to be worse off". Really? How do you know that Anna? 17.4m voted to leave despite being assured that they would be worse off by the 'experts'. Hope her pompous group of non-entities get hammered in the Euros.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on May 10, 2019, 12:35:35 pm
Watched it this morning....

It was quite entertaining. Its easy to forget how persuasive Farage is as an orator. He would have been better suited to times gone by (like his policies  ;) )
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on May 10, 2019, 12:54:48 pm
Quote from: DavidL on May 10, 2019, 11:49:03 am
I managed to watch all of it, miraculously. Highlight was probably Farage to Amber Rudd: "You lied! Stop lying to us!". Soubry was as adamant as ever that she knows what's best for everybody - "my constituents did not vote to be worse off". Really? How do you know that Anna? 17.4m voted to leave despite being assured that they would be worse off by the 'experts'. Hope her pompous group of non-entities get hammered in the Euros.



Really - Farage has the cheek to accuse others of lying.  The hypocrisy is off the scale!!
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on May 10, 2019, 13:29:45 pm
Quote from: döm on May 10, 2019, 12:54:48 pm

Really - Farage has the cheek to accuse others of lying.  The hypocrisy is off the scale!!
It's not an accusation, it's a fact
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: döm on May 10, 2019, 15:17:25 pm
Quote from: DavidL on May 10, 2019, 13:29:45 pm
It's not an accusation, it's a fact



I've no idea but I suppose even he can speak the truth occasionally
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 10, 2019, 21:15:52 pm
Quote from: DavidL on May 10, 2019, 11:49:03 am
How do you know that Anna? 17.4m voted to leave despite being assured that they would be worse off by the 'experts'. Hope her pompous group of non-entities get hammered in the Euros.



that is funny coming from you, when you have said yourself in the brexit forum that you think we will be worse off because of brexit.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 10, 2019, 21:29:52 pm
I watched this and Faredge is persuasive if you believe the lies that pour out of him mouth. Just another dangerous nasty populist trying to have his cake and eating it, similar in style to that wretched Salmond bloke. If you shout lies loud enough people will believe them.

He shouted people down.
He was nasty and aggressive.
Kept interrupting everyone. Including Fiona Bruce.

BTW Soubry was right on question time. Before the referendum Faredge was wanting a Norway deal and a Switzerland deal and WTO deal. He is a very confused man.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on May 10, 2019, 22:06:57 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on May 10, 2019, 21:15:52 pm

that is funny coming from you, when you have said yourself in the brexit forum that you think we will be worse off because of brexit.
You obviously did not understand the point I was making
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 11, 2019, 10:00:02 am
Quote from: DavidL on May 10, 2019, 22:06:57 pm
You obviously did not understand the point I was making



I totally understood the point you made.


17.4 million all thought the experts were "scaremongering" so did not believe they would be worse off.


How much quantitative easing? how much did the pound drop, how much are imports costing now? Exports are cheaper but they rely on large amounts of raw materials from imports and nil tariffs.


The experts were and are correct.



Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on May 11, 2019, 12:43:39 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on May 11, 2019, 10:00:02 am

I totally understood the point you made.


17.4 million all thought the experts were "scaremongering" so did not believe they would be worse off.


How much quantitative easing? how much did the pound drop, how much are imports costing now? Exports are cheaper but they rely on large amounts of raw materials from imports and nil tariffs.


The experts were and are correct.
No, you have misunderstood.


The likes of Soubry and many other Remainer MPs assert that no one would vote to make themselves poorer. The 'experts' overwhelmingly stuck to the line that leaving the EU would make everyone poorer. My point is that when 17.4m voted to leave the EU, there is a high probability that the negative economic consequences were (at least) secondary to many people's desire for the UK to leave the EU.
So my view is that many were entirely comfortable with any reduction in wealth caused by their decision to leave. Remainer MPs seem reluctant to accept this. They use their "no one voted to be poorer" argument to deceive the public into thinking they have their constituent's interests uppermost in their argument to reverse the democratic decision to leave.....because they want to remain in the EU.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 11, 2019, 14:20:00 pm
......You know that people voted to be poorer! really, Really REALLY, you might have, I don't know anyone else who did. There are 17.4 million versions of brexit all loving created by algorithms in putin HQ via facebook.

It was meant to be summerlands and easy peasy pudding and pie and have our cake and eat it.

Have you ordered your unicorn yet?

Ps let's move this discussion to the Bexshit forum bit before stewart tells us off.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on May 11, 2019, 17:16:55 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on May 11, 2019, 14:20:00 pm
......You know that people voted to be poorer!

No, I don't know but I suspect Soubry et al don't know that the converse is true.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 12, 2019, 21:43:24 pm
Quote from: DavidL on May 11, 2019, 17:16:55 pm
No, I don't know but I suspect Soubry et al don't know that the converse is true.



So you voted leave to be richer? Ok!!! where is that unicorn in the summer lands



There you are then, you don't know.
I certainly didn't vote to be poorer.
Soubry thinks we will be poorer.
Farage now thinks we will be poorer.
You voted to be richer.



......and that is why there needs to be another referendum on the facts not Putin's algorithms and Farages is lies and dirty money.


;)


Now back to Star Trek on Netflix.......





Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: DavidL on May 12, 2019, 23:20:10 pm
Quote from: rufus the dawg on May 12, 2019, 21:43:24 pm

So you voted leave to be richer? Ok!!! where is that unicorn in the summer lands



There you are then, you don't know.
I certainly didn't vote to be poorer.
Soubry thinks we will be poorer.
Farage now thinks we will be poorer.
You voted to be richer.

::) Bloody hard work you are rufus. I voted to leave the EU. As we say in our vows, for richer, or poorer.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on May 13, 2019, 00:27:17 am
Can two take this back to the Brexit thread so that the rest of us can ignore you in there please?  ;D
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on May 13, 2019, 09:01:06 am
Quote from: Bez on May 13, 2019, 00:27:17 am
Can two take this back to the Brexit thread so that the rest of us can ignore you in there please?  ;D



;D
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: rufus the dawg on May 13, 2019, 09:56:40 am
Yep........ sorry.

Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: zoony on May 13, 2019, 19:33:12 pm
Quote from: Bez on May 13, 2019, 00:27:17 am
Can two take this back to the Brexit thread so that the rest of us can ignore you in there please?  ;D



Lol. Nice one mate.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Chris Quartly on May 30, 2019, 22:05:01 pm
Steven Pinker is on QT tonight fwiw
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on May 30, 2019, 23:25:01 pm
Quote from: Chris Quartly on May 30, 2019, 22:05:01 pmSteven Pinker is on QT tonight fwiw
Excellent; finally an astute, insightful panellist who knows his sh!t. :)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on May 30, 2019, 23:32:46 pm
Oh, just noticed that Rory "18/1 with Ladbrokes" Stewart is also on tonight.

Bet his odds are trimmed afterward.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on May 31, 2019, 13:39:32 pm
Unimpressed with "Rod" yesterday....it all seems very simple when he talks (apart from the "Tony Blair" hand gestures). The reality is going to be very different. Was there any movement on his proce after the show, Matt?

In fact deeply unimpressed with the whole panel.

Jo Swinson will remove any momentum that the Lib Debs have built up.
Barry Gardener has an awful, slow delivery when he speaks.
Pinker was unengaged
Brexit woman spoke some sense around the student load debate, but apart from that she's as mad as Farage
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on May 31, 2019, 14:57:53 pm
Quote from: Bez on May 31, 2019, 13:39:32 pmUnimpressed with "Rod" yesterday....it all seems very simple when he talks (apart from the "Tony Blair" hand gestures). The reality is going to be very different. Was there any movement on his proce after the show, Matt?

Checked this morning - odds have been slightly trimmed.  Of course, this is merely a reflection of the betting market rather than Rory's performance necessarily.

Quote from: undefinedJo Swinson will remove any momentum that the Lib Debs have built up.
Barry Gardener has an awful, slow delivery when he speaks.
Pinker was unengaged
Brexit woman spoke some sense around the student load debate, but apart from that she's as mad as Farage

Broadly agree.  The Lib Dems have merely gone all in on a gap in the market and are consequently reaping substantial support in the polls.  I do think their devout belief in Remaining is fundamentally wrong, though (and I voted Remain).

Barry Gardener is quite a likeable character -  certainly one of the more palatable Labour MPs.

Yes, Pinker was miscast and, again, despite his astute reasoning on a second referendum I thought he concluded with a non sequitur.  If even a genuine intellectual giant like him can't make the case for it then it's surely time to stop flogging that dead horse.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on June 17, 2019, 19:58:38 pm
Just been announced that QT's venue in Halifax on Thursday week is to be Square Chapel - exactly as I suggested via the BBC's website nigh on two years ago.

Surely that entitles me to an invitation as a VIP.  :D
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: pdw1 on June 17, 2019, 21:57:20 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on June 17, 2019, 19:58:38 pmJust been announced that QT's venue in Halifax on Thursday week is to be Square Chapel - exactly as I suggested via the BBC's website nigh on two years ago.

Surely that entitles me to an invitation as a VIP.  :D
Perhaps you should be on the panel  ;D
You'd make more sense than most of them  :-\
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on June 18, 2019, 08:42:02 am
Quote from: pdw1 on June 17, 2019, 21:57:20 pmPerhaps you should be on the panel  ;D
You'd make more sense than most of them  :-\
Not sure that would be wise, Patrick; I'd just bang on about the halcyon days of the 80s and risk being labelled a Tory.  ;)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on June 27, 2019, 13:43:52 pm
So, BBC, you didn't return my calls, my messages, my emails...we're done.

Who's on the panel tonight..?  Actually, who cares.  :(
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on June 28, 2019, 01:23:52 am
Well that were sh!te.

Didn't see anyone I know.

And, Fiona, you've broadcast from Halifax at least twice now, and to call it a "city" is a pretty embarrassing error.  As you should know given our famous football team, it's Halifax TOWN.

Bloody holding it in a venue I suggested years ago and I don't even get invited. Utter gets. ::)
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Bez on July 05, 2019, 08:16:56 am
Couldn't sleep last night, so subjected myself to this at 04:00...

I find myself quite liking Martin Lewis
The labour woman was undone by her leader
Tory woman was undone by her support of Hunt who's view on foxhunting and abortion have scuppered any chance he had of winning the leadership contest
Green woman kept trying to deflect any question that she was asked on to the green agenda
The bloke on the end was just a c***.
Title: Re: Question Time / This Week #5
Post by: Matt2112 on July 05, 2019, 11:57:50 am
I thought the bloke on the end often spoke the most sense tbh.

The Tory, Labour and Green panellists were slightly different levels of insufferable; the petty, party political point scoring gets very tedious very quickly.

Martin Lewis seems a good egg.  I got two nice new pairs of glasses recently for £17.00 courtesy of his site. :)