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Title: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 04, 2016, 22:53:27 pm
This has sneaked up on me a bit.....now I've realised its this weekend I'm suddenly excited.....

Easy first fixture for Jones with the Scots away.....

I've got tickets for England vs Wales as well  8)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: zoony on February 04, 2016, 23:01:43 pm
The coverage of the RWC is always very good on ITV, but I can't get my head around the six nations being shown on there this year.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on February 05, 2016, 06:39:23 am
No predictions from  me. I'm not really sure what the form is like after the RWC with England's poor performance and us playing unexpectedly well. Overall, I suspect the Irish are not the team they were but Wales might be in with a chance after their solid RWC.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: döm on February 05, 2016, 08:49:51 am
Interesting tournament ahead. With Noves in charge I really hope France start playing rugby again but who knows!
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on February 05, 2016, 10:00:27 am
France will play better rugby, but their talent pool is limited at the moment

England v Scotland will be a good game, just praying for some dry weather
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on February 05, 2016, 12:52:20 pm
Supposed to be light rain but we've replaced the pitch with a hybrid surface (same as Twickenham ) so it won't be a muddy mess like it was two years ago.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: döm on February 05, 2016, 17:27:17 pm
Quote from: Jonners on February 05, 2016, 10:00:27 am
France will play better rugby, but their talent pool is limited at the moment

England v Scotland will be a good game, just praying for some dry weather


He's certainly managed to find a lot of new faces.  Should be good enough to beat Italy anyway

15 Maxime Médard, 14 Hugo Bonneval, 13 Gaël Fickou, 12 Jonathan Danty, 11 Virimi Vakatawa, 10 Jules Plisson, 9 Sébastien Bezy.
1 Eddy Ben Arous, 2 Guilhem Guirado (c), 3 Rabah Slimani, 4 Paul Jedrasiak, 5 Yoann Maestri, 6 Wenceslas Lauret, 7 Damien Chouly, 8 Louis Picamoles.
Replacements:
16 Camille Chat, 17 Uini Atonio, 18 Jefferson Poirot, 19 Alexandre Flanquart, 20 Yacouba Camara, 21 Maxime Machenaud, 22 Jean-Marc Doussain, 23 Maxime Mermoz.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: pdw1 on February 05, 2016, 18:24:49 pm
Quote from: döm on February 05, 2016, 08:49:51 am
Interesting tournament ahead. With Noves in charge I really hope France start playing rugby again but who knows!

Cant be much worse
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: pdw1 on February 05, 2016, 18:26:41 pm
Should we run a book on how long Dylan Hartley lasts in this tournament  before he is sent to the sin bin  :P
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 05, 2016, 20:58:50 pm
Quote from: pdw1 on February 05, 2016, 18:26:41 pm
Should we run a book on how long Dylan Hartley lasts in this tournament  before he is sent to the sin bin  :P


I see he's already crying that the nasty press all want him to fail.....shouldn't have been such a prick in the past then....
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on February 05, 2016, 23:15:49 pm
Our Under 20 team beat England Under 20's 24-6 tonight, scoring four tries to none. A good start to the weekend :)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on February 06, 2016, 00:10:37 am
And England's Wimmin beat the Scotch. Nilled them. Let's hope the adult men can do the same.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 06, 2016, 19:01:58 pm
Straightforward victory for England; no real threat from the Scots to the try line and pretty dominant in the set piece in the second half....

Italy unlucky not to get  deserved win away in Paris....why leave the drop goal attempt to the number 8....schoolboy error
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: döm on February 06, 2016, 19:37:52 pm
Quote from: Bez on February 06, 2016, 19:01:58 pm
Straightforward victory for England; no real threat from the Scots to the try line and pretty dominant in the set piece in the second half....

Italy unlucky not to get  deserved win away in Paris....why leave the drop goal attempt to the number 8....schoolboy error


Really worried for France after that performance. Scraped a win but much bigger tests to come.  Defensively we seemed very open at times but it was good to see a bit of flair
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on February 06, 2016, 19:44:44 pm
Quote from: Bez on February 06, 2016, 19:01:58 pm
Straightforward victory for England; no real threat from the Scots to the try line and pretty dominant in the set piece in the second half....

Italy unlucky not to get  deserved win away in Paris....why leave the drop goal attempt to the number 8....schoolboy error


I think you'll have to improve a lot (although we have to improve by even more, and probably can't ). We did well in the set piece in the first half but the total lack of depth in the front row was telling. We have one very good player in each position (which is an improvement on previous years) but the drop off to the 2nd choices is massive. 

I hope that was Italy's good match in this tournament and they revert to type for their remaining matches. As for drop goals by number 8's, it worked for Zinzan Brooke in 1995.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 07, 2016, 12:23:32 pm
Quote from: BaldiePete on February 06, 2016, 19:44:44 pm
I think you'll have to improve a lot (although we have to improve by even more, and probably can't ). We did well in the set piece in the first half but the total lack of depth in the front row was telling. We have one very good player in each position (which is an improvement on previous years) but the drop off to the 2nd choices is massive. 



Yep, noticeable difference in the front row....I thought that your 10 was anonymous, mind you, ours wasn't much better...

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I hope that was Italy's good match in this tournament and they revert to type for their remaining matches. As for drop goals by number 8's, it worked for Zinzan Brooke in 1995.


Based on that performance you should be afraid of Italy...drop goals notwithstanding  ;)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on February 07, 2016, 13:26:33 pm
Quote from: Bez on February 07, 2016, 12:23:32 pm
Yep, noticeable difference in the front row....I thought that your 10 was anonymous, mind you, ours wasn't much better...


He wasn't anonymous, I spotted him kicking the ball away when we had an overlap to the fastest player on the pitch after he intercepted.  All he needed to do was look and pass. >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: zoony on February 07, 2016, 17:08:19 pm
Didn't catch any of the action due to work commitments.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 07, 2016, 19:45:47 pm
Odd game today, with neither team establishing forward dominance. A draw a fair result, with both teams needing to up their game for sterner tests ahead....
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on February 07, 2016, 20:01:34 pm
Quote from: Bez on February 07, 2016, 19:45:47 pm
Odd game today, with neither team establishing forward dominance. A draw a fair result, with both teams needing to up their game for sterner tests ahead....


I thought that for much of the game Ireland and Wales both looked better than either Scotland or England did yesterday.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 07, 2016, 21:10:53 pm
Quote from: BaldiePete on February 07, 2016, 20:01:34 pm
I thought that for much of the game Ireland and Wales both looked better than either Scotland or England did yesterday.


Plenty of fire and brimstone in defence, but no guile or imagination from either set of backs.....
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: zoony on February 28, 2016, 13:50:25 pm
Well we're doing just enough so far. The acid test to come against our nemesis then....
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 28, 2016, 21:26:40 pm
Quote from: zoony on February 28, 2016, 13:50:25 pm
Well we're doing just enough so far. The acid test to come against our nemesis then....


Not much imagination behind the pack at the moment....not sure that the pack is dominant enough. The Farrell at 12 experiment isn't working for me and Ford at 10 hasn't done enough either....

I'm going to the Wales game in the 12th....nervous already....
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on February 28, 2016, 21:59:20 pm
I'm just glad to get a win, even if it was only Italy. We managed to play some decent rugby and didn't bottle it when we went ahead. If France could just play as shit as they were against Wales we might even beat them as well.

Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on February 29, 2016, 09:41:42 am
Quote from: Bez on February 28, 2016, 21:26:40 pm
Not much imagination behind the pack at the moment....not sure that the pack is dominant enough. The Farrell at 12 experiment isn't working for me and Ford at 10 hasn't done enough either....

I'm going to the Wales game in the 12th....nervous already....


I imagine Farrell will go to 10 for Wales, and either Tuilagi in, or on the bench with Daly starting or even Burrell
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 29, 2016, 10:39:07 am
Quote from: Jonners on February 29, 2016, 09:41:42 am
I imagine Farrell will go to 10 for Wales, and either Tuilagi in, or on the bench with Daly starting or even Burrell


Tuilagi vs Roberts would be a sight to see (and hear) in midfield....

I was listening to some silly cow on Radio4 this morning saying that England look unbeatable....what games has she been watching FFS.... >:(
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on February 29, 2016, 11:21:56 am
I think we may be unbeatable in the 6 nations, I think the quality this year is awful.

I think two more weeks together and we will be a better team as well. Just need to get clinical with the finishing, possession and defence were quality, lineout and scrum look solid.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 29, 2016, 11:33:31 am
Quote from: Jonners on February 29, 2016, 11:21:56 am
I think we may be unbeatable in the 6 nations, I think the quality this year is awful.


Maybe....France away will always be a test....

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I think two more weeks together and we will be a better team as well. Just need to get clinical with the finishing, possession and defence were quality, lineout and scrum look solid.


Lineout looked decidedly dodgy when Hartley went off. Not sure the scrum has looked "solid" at any point this season.... :-\

Still too many penalties at the breakdown, many through stupidity, Farrell being an obvious offender at the weekend.

Agreed that the defence looks strong, but they all do...
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on February 29, 2016, 11:36:19 am
I always feel sorry for a Hooker coming on and having to immediately hit his mark at the lineout after sitting around for 70 minutes.

Hartley needed to come off, he was blowing, and missed two tackles as a result
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: döm on February 29, 2016, 13:30:21 pm
Quote from: BaldiePete on February 28, 2016, 21:59:20 pm
I'm just glad to get a win, even if it was only Italy. We managed to play some decent rugby and didn't bottle it when we went ahead. If France could just play as shit as they were against Wales we might even beat them as well.


I didn't think France were that bad - admittedly I only saw the second half, but without the Plisson brain freeze, it would have been a very close game.  From the nadir of that World Cup defeat to New Zeland , there are some promising signs for the future.  It's a new coach and a new team though, so if Scotland are to beat France, this season would be an excellent opportunity.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on February 29, 2016, 14:20:52 pm
Scratch what I said earlier, Jones has said Ford is his man for the whole 6N

I guess Farrell will get the boot then if changes are made. Drop your number 1 kicker for a tight match? I doubt it

I imagine it will probably be an almost unchanged side then
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on February 29, 2016, 16:37:42 pm
Quote from: döm on February 29, 2016, 13:30:21 pm
I didn't think France were that bad - admittedly I only saw the second half, but without the Plisson brain freeze, it would have been a very close game.  From the nadir of that World Cup defeat to New Zeland , there are some promising signs for the future.  It's a new coach and a new team though, so if Scotland are to beat France, this season would be an excellent opportunity.


One of the worst French teams I've seen for a long time....no "Gallic flair" and no command up front....can't believe they've managed 2 wins.... :-\
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on February 29, 2016, 16:51:09 pm
Quote from: Bez on February 29, 2016, 16:37:42 pm
One of the worst French teams I've seen for a long time....no "Gallic flair" and no command up front....can't believe they've managed 2 wins.... :-\


Again shows how poor this years tournament is

Camera panned in on Steve Hampson a couple of times at Twickers. I presume he slept fairly easily that night. He would have been better going to the Wales game, as I imagine Gatland will pick his lot for the Lions again
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: döm on February 29, 2016, 17:50:20 pm
Quote from: Bez on February 29, 2016, 16:37:42 pm
One of the worst French teams I've seen for a long time....no "Gallic flair" and no command up front....can't believe they've managed 2 wins.... :-\


Worse than last year ?  Or the year before that - come to that they finished bottom of the 6 nations 3 years ago so they've been dire for a good while now.  With all the new faces, I'm seeing signs that the tide has been turned tbh. Noves will want to get his front 8  functioning correctly before we'll see much in the way of flair. Time will tell...
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: NeilP on February 29, 2016, 17:50:56 pm
the general consensus amongst the commentators is that this  year is a poor standard and the northern hemisphere teams a very long way behind their southern counterparts - fair?

Will England be embarrassed in Australia later in the year?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: döm on February 29, 2016, 19:35:29 pm
Quote from: NeilP on February 29, 2016, 17:50:56 pm
the general consensus amongst the commentators is that this  year is a poor standard and the northern hemisphere teams a very long way behind their southern counterparts - fair?

Will England be embarrassed in Australia later in the year?


Very fair. The World Cup proved how far ahead the Southern Hemisphere sides are.

The European teams have a lot of catching up to do in all aspects of the game.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on March 01, 2016, 08:42:57 am
Quote from: döm on February 29, 2016, 17:50:20 pm
Worse than last year ?  Or the year before that - come to that they finished bottom of the 6 nations 3 years ago so they've been dire for a good while now.  With all the new faces, I'm seeing signs that the tide has been turned tbh. Noves will want to get his front 8  functioning correctly before we'll see much in the way of flair. Time will tell...


Yep...

I don't remember seeing a French team with zero ball carriers....

Tran Duc (sp?) made a huge difference when he came on, added direction and a willingness to take responsibility
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on March 01, 2016, 08:44:21 am
Quote from: NeilP on February 29, 2016, 17:50:56 pm
Will England be embarrassed in Australia later in the year?


I think we have the makings of a fantastic back line....forwards aren't even close, front row and especially the back row (apart from Billy V)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on March 01, 2016, 09:30:17 am
Quote from: Bez on March 01, 2016, 08:44:21 am
I think we have the makings of a fantastic back line....forwards aren't even close, front row and especially the back row (apart from Billy V)


Back row will change I think, with Clifford on the verge of being picked, Haskell is working on speed from what I can gather, and Billy V is a special talent. Front row is average, but what we do have is a very dynamic second row pairing, with reserves. Kruis and Itoje are real atheletes.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: döm on March 01, 2016, 09:57:29 am
Quote from: Bez on March 01, 2016, 08:42:57 am
Yep...

I don't remember seeing a French team with zero ball carriers....

Tran Duc (sp?) made a huge difference when he came on, added direction and a willingness to take responsibility


true, crying shame that he's been neglected for so long, especially as that meant given Michalak game time !
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on March 01, 2016, 18:28:05 pm
Quote from: döm on March 01, 2016, 09:57:29 am
true, crying shame that he's been neglected for so long, especially as that meant given Michalak game time !


Hopefully he won't get picked for the next match  ;)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on March 01, 2016, 18:52:12 pm
Quote from: Jonners on March 01, 2016, 09:30:17 am
Kruis and Itoje are real atheletes.


....both of whom seem to be able to hold on to the ball in contact unlike a certain Mr C Lawes... ::)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on March 02, 2016, 09:25:26 am
Quote from: Bez on March 01, 2016, 18:52:12 pm
....both of whom seem to be able to hold on to the ball in contact unlike a certain Mr C Lawes... ::)


Gone off the ball a bit old Courtney

he will be back, not sure he has played much recently
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on March 02, 2016, 10:45:47 am
Quote from: Jonners on March 02, 2016, 09:25:26 am
Gone off the ball a bit old Courtney

he will be back, not sure he has played much recently


Great athlete, can't hold the ball for toffee.... ::)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on March 02, 2016, 11:05:26 am
Quote from: Bez on March 02, 2016, 10:45:47 am
Great athlete, can't hold the ball for toffee.... ::)


And Launchberry probably needs to get himself in shape as well. looks really bulky at the moment, but again he is a fantastic player, very good hands and great over the ball. I imagine Lawes is now probably 4th or even 5th cab on the rank when that other feller with the beard gets fit again
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: zoony on March 12, 2016, 21:06:42 pm
It was a bit of a panic in the end, but let's not forget that Wales were playing nothing to lose rugby in the last ten minutes, and England were totally dominant in the first 70. Always great to beat "that lot".
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: NeilP on March 12, 2016, 21:18:03 pm
aye, squeaky at the end but there was only one team in it for 70 mins.... the bench changes seemed to set us back a great deal I thought?
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: pdw1 on March 12, 2016, 22:01:00 pm
Quote from: NeilP on March 12, 2016, 21:18:03 pm
aye, squeaky at the end but there was only one team in it for 70 mins.... the bench changes seemed to set us back a great deal I thought?

Going down to 14 men didnt help
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: NeilP on March 12, 2016, 22:23:32 pm
aye, Wales might have been lucky that their guy didn't join him tbh
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on March 13, 2016, 11:54:36 am
So, if we beat the French today then England win the championship with a game to spare and France will have nothing to play for next week, making a Grand Slam even more likely.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: pdw1 on March 13, 2016, 18:38:21 pm
Quote from: BaldiePete on March 13, 2016, 11:54:36 am
So, if we beat the French today then England win the championship with a game to spare and France will have nothing to play for next week, making a Grand Slam even more likely.

Thanks
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: BaldiePete on March 14, 2016, 00:46:47 am
Quote from: pdw1 on March 13, 2016, 18:38:21 pm
Thanks


You're welcome ;)
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on March 14, 2016, 09:38:20 am
Plus, a win puts Scotland safe from being relegated from the 6N for another year.....
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: zoony on March 14, 2016, 14:16:55 pm
Fair play to the Scots, 2 wins on the trot. France won't want England to win the grand slam on their patch, but they haven't shown me anything to suggest they can stop us tbh.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on March 14, 2016, 14:33:33 pm
I presume that Welsh feller has been cited for the gouging incident?

If Marler is going to get a ban for saying "gypsy boy" to a fat ginger Welsh Pikey, then trying to blind an opponent should hopefully warrant more than a slap on the wrist
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: pdw1 on March 14, 2016, 18:14:12 pm
Quote from: Jonners on March 14, 2016, 14:33:33 pm
I presume that Welsh feller has been cited for the gouging incident?

If Marler is going to get a ban for saying "gypsy boy" to a fat ginger Welsh Pikey, then trying to blind an opponent should hopefully warrant more than a slap on the wrist

Couldn't believe they didnt give him at least a yellow during the match. It was pretty blatant.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: zoony on March 20, 2016, 13:38:43 pm
Well done England  :).
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Bez on March 20, 2016, 15:24:41 pm
Quote from: zoony on March 20, 2016, 13:38:43 pm
Well done England  :).


Indeed, still a VERY long way to go before challenging the Southern Hemisphere sides....

Major issues at 9,10, 7, 1&3.....inconsistent kicking, poor decision making, too may missed tackles, lack of pace from he breakdown...etc etc...

Yes,it's a Grand Slam, but the opposition has been pretty dreadful.....
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: pdw1 on March 20, 2016, 20:38:54 pm
Quote from: Bez on March 20, 2016, 15:24:41 pm
Indeed, still a VERY long way to go before challenging the Southern Hemisphere sides....

Major issues at 9,10, 7, 1&3.....inconsistent kicking, poor decision making, too may missed tackles, lack of pace from he breakdown...etc etc...

Yes,it's a Grand Slam, but the opposition has been pretty dreadful.....

While it has been fun to watch, the standard has been pretty dreadful. England were the only half decent team on show.
Having said that I thought France played their best match of the tournament last night (that is not saying much). Perhaps they have finally got over the shoeing they got from the All Blacks back in November.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on March 21, 2016, 09:24:55 am
Lots of missed tackles, especially against their Fijian winger
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: döm on March 21, 2016, 11:39:49 am
The ability to steal the French line-out absolutely killed the home side's opportunity to create any momentum.  That's where the game was won and lost imo.  And Guirado had looked imperious as a line-out thrower until Saturday so well done England.
Title: Re: Six Nations 2016
Post by: Jonners on March 21, 2016, 11:55:58 am
You lose a couple of throws against the head and the confidence gets shot, happened to Cowan Dickie on his debut, and always happened to Tom Youngs

To be fair though, Itoje and Kruise are magnificent atheletes. Huge  turnovers