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Title: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Stewart on July 03, 2015, 10:18:13 am

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Hey guys,
So as of right now it's likely that the August 1st show at the Forum will be THE LAST show, and I'm not just talking about R40 tour.

I've been emailing with SRO recently, and last night was a bit of a hard conversation, not just from me, but them also.

SRO: "Nothing changed.  We were hopeful at the start of the tour - but it's fading now.  It looks like August 1 at the Forum will be it."

Me: "I can't blame him and never will, but it would have been awesome."

SRO: "Honestly - anything past the Forum is getting more unlikely by the day."

Me: "I'm properly upset about this...."

SRO: "Aren't we all!"

:(

So if you want to TRY and see them then go for it NOW you've got a few shows left, I myself am trying to get to either San Jose or LA, but it's looking highly unlikely right now.



Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 10:28:31 am
A real shame.

Wonder if it will be filmed?
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Stewart on July 03, 2015, 10:36:51 am
Quote from: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 10:28:31 am
A real shame.

Wonder if it will be filmed?


Already has, both Toronto shows were filmed a couple of weeks back.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Stewart on July 03, 2015, 10:37:50 am
I also suggested that the Forum show be livestreamed or something with the same feed as the main screen. Apparently it was suggested, but the band said no, as they wouldn't have full control over it. Which I can understand.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Red Star on July 03, 2015, 10:38:44 am
Damn! Gutted!
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 11:01:53 am
Quote from: Stewart on July 03, 2015, 10:36:51 am
Already has, both Toronto shows were filmed a couple of weeks back.


I was thinking more of some sort of record of the last ever show. Im sure there will be 15,000 mobile phones powered up come garden Road, but its not quite the same.

I guess I would just love to see the reaction, hear some last few words, presumably see Neil walk to the front of the stage for once with the others and take a bow
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: captainkurtz on July 03, 2015, 11:10:04 am
I bet they had their fingers crossed. 
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Post by: Matt2112 on July 03, 2015, 11:17:50 am
Quote from: captainkurtz on July 03, 2015, 11:10:04 am
I bet they had their fingers crossed.


Aye.  Bait and switch.  Oldest trick in the book.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: captainkurtz on July 03, 2015, 11:21:39 am
Neil in 1996:  'Consider me retired'  (completely understandably)

Neil in 2002:  'Hiya!'
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: PB on July 03, 2015, 12:01:38 pm
C'mon Neil, get the Rush minions to set up some gigs in Europe next summer. A few weeks on the old motorcycle touring across Europe and the UK will be great, bring the family, everyones happy.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: majorkurtz on July 03, 2015, 12:45:11 pm
Things always appear different after a rest. After all it must be knackering doing such a big tour!
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 13:17:04 pm
But all good things come to an end, and the US has been their bread and butter for donkeys years now, so perhaps a fitting place to wind it all up, although I must admit a home town gig would have had more of a romantic/emotional feel to it.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: The Letter R on July 03, 2015, 13:36:29 pm
Bummer - was holding out for some kind of Euro mini-tour especially as they seem to be enjoying the current shows so much.......
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Fishy on July 03, 2015, 14:14:36 pm
it's all Peart's fault..
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: döm on July 03, 2015, 14:20:41 pm
They'll be back.  Definitely not this year and maybe not next, but we'll see them again.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 15:06:25 pm
And if all else fails, just show a blind disregard for the facts
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Post by: Muppet on July 03, 2015, 15:41:09 pm
Maybe just maybe they'll appear at some outdoor festivals in the next few years.  No tour, just jet in, jet out for the gig

I hate outdoor festivals but if this was all I had, I would go
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: döm on July 03, 2015, 16:12:24 pm
Quote from: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 15:06:25 pm
And if all else fails, just show a blind disregard for the facts


When Neil went through all his troubles, I really didn't think we'd see them over here again.  I was proved wrong then so I don't think a bit of optimism is that misplaced.

Time will tell anyway
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Fishy on July 03, 2015, 16:24:34 pm
well if Lee has a house in london then maybe he could get some players together and do a performance of his solo album..?
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 16:28:23 pm
sounds like he is the only one capable of playing music very shortly, the other two are crocked
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Fishy on July 03, 2015, 16:35:41 pm
and he can't sing anymore.. so its jazz odyssey more than ever now i think...
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: karl on July 03, 2015, 16:57:36 pm
Quote from: Fishy on July 03, 2015, 16:35:41 pm
and he can't sing anymore.. so its jazz odyssey more than ever now i think...

I would be up for that  :D
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: VdGGfan on July 03, 2015, 17:05:33 pm
I know many fans here are less than enamoured of the first set, but I would have liked to have seen this one for the visuals alone - awesome!
:(
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 17:45:08 pm
The Fish and I have been moved (nearly to tears) to put pen to paper, and feel that a fitting tribute to todays probable announcement is parody......

A double A side release, starting with Red Sector A:

All of us in Europe feel deprived
SRO have phoned Stu and said that they wont play live

None of us wanted this day
Power Trio shuffling away
Shouting fans all poking fun
United States the lucky ones

I click on Ticketmaster til my fingers bleed
A corporate ticket deal
With good seats and a meal
Hoping that the dollar will increase
Hoping that tomorrow I wont get fleeced!

Witness my insanity
Thought they would see my  city
Days and weeks and months went by
Didn't need to worry
Now need to cry!

I hear the sound of wailing from the fans irate
Why on earth wont they come here?
Are the touring costs too dear?
For the fans not living stateside, it's too late
But I must fly to L.A I JUST CANT WAIT!!!!

Are we the last to see them live?
And without Rush how on earth will I survive?
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: captainkurtz on July 03, 2015, 17:50:15 pm
Somebody email that to SRO.  Utter genius.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: DavidL on July 03, 2015, 21:02:32 pm
It's a bit weird to think that the last song played live by Neil (with Rush) could be one that he had nothing to do with, composition wise  :o
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Fishy on July 03, 2015, 22:11:20 pm
Quote from: Jonners on July 03, 2015, 17:45:08 pm
The Fish and I have been moved (nearly to tears) to put pen to paper, and feel that a fitting tribute to todays probable announcement is parody......

A double A side release, starting with Red Sector A:

All of us in Europe feel deprived
SRO have phoned Stu and said that they wont play live

None of us wanted this day
Power Trio shuffling away
Shouting fans all poking fun
United States the lucky ones

I click on Ticketmaster til my fingers bleed
A corporate ticket deal
With good seats and a meal
Hoping that the dollar will increase
Hoping that tomorrow I wont get fleeced!

Witness my insanity
Thought they would see my  city
Days and weeks and months went by
Didn't need to worry
Now need to cry!

I hear the sound of wailing from the fans irate
Why on earth wont they come here?
Are the touring costs too dear?
For the fans not living stateside, it's too late
But I must fly to L.A I JUST CANT WAIT!!!!

Are we the last to see them live?
And without Rush how on earth will I survive?


and finishing where it all started with The Trees

There is unrest at the Forum
Let's just hope they don't play Freeze            
This could be the very last night
Or d'y think it's just a tease

The trouble with this concert
And we think it could be right
Count the years it's over forty
Now it's time to dim the lights
All this talk that we've been hearing
Folks are going to feel dismayed
And they wonder if this concert               
Is the end of the parade ?

They'll be trouble at the Forum
And already Peart has fled
No more endless tour depression
He's back home for ten in bed

So forget about reunion
Half the band are on last rites
We're old and not too speedy"
Now it's time to say Goodnight
And you do get the impression   
Playing live time to withdraw               
Time to realise no sequel
And take, it on, the jaw
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: pdw1 on July 03, 2015, 22:17:08 pm
Thank you guys. and I hope it isnt the end of the parodies.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Nick on July 03, 2015, 22:43:25 pm
You're looking good burning over the hill,  - And we enjoyed the music Rush thank you
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 03, 2015, 22:44:55 pm
Quote from: pdw1 on July 03, 2015, 22:17:08 pm
Thank you guys. and I hope it isnt the end of the parodies.

Has Cockwork Angles been thoroughly parodised [sic] yet?

All things come to an end, and they could have come to an end in the late 90s or even the late 80s.
So long Rush and thanks for the 70s  ;D
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Bez on July 04, 2015, 08:43:16 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 03, 2015, 22:44:55 pm
Has Cockwork Angles been thoroughly parodised [sic] yet?



I'm not sure that Fishey & Jonners have played it enough to be familiar with the tunes... ::)
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Ian Harris on July 04, 2015, 09:36:01 am
Thanks for passing on the message, Stewart.

I think I may have something in my eye...
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: zoony on July 04, 2015, 19:23:12 pm
I would feel very let down if they never played a few farewell shows in the uk without announcing they were the last beforehand.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Thailand Express on July 05, 2015, 02:11:54 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on July 03, 2015, 11:17:50 am
Aye.  Bait and switch.  Oldest trick in the book.


Aren't the remaining shows virtual sellouts though?

It'll be a bummer if this is the final tour and I don't get a chance to see it, especially given the mouthwatering setlist. But at least they've given some of the fans the opportunity to "lose it" one last time.

I'd certainly rather it finished that way than with the likes of REM announcing out of the blue they were finishing, or for it to end the way Yes have done so tragically this week.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Fishy on July 06, 2015, 10:32:54 am
Quote from: Bez on July 04, 2015, 08:43:16 am
I'm not sure that Fishey & Jonners have played it enough to be familiar with the tunes... ::)


eh page 32 onwards  of the parody thread has a few attempts.... :)
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 06, 2015, 11:18:17 am
Cant bring myself to do it. Parodies are easier with a tune you can easily recognise, or at the very least a tune
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: JonL on July 07, 2015, 15:02:41 pm
Oh, well. I was fun while it lasted. Goodbye, boys....
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Valen on July 08, 2015, 17:05:32 pm
Rumblings from Darren on Planet Rock this afternoon that the band may be doing something here later this year.......
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: NeilP on July 08, 2015, 17:08:18 pm
haha, I'd heard that before R40 started tbh.... must just be a wishful thinking rumour at this stage
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: JonL on July 08, 2015, 18:57:04 pm
Quote from: Valen on July 08, 2015, 17:05:32 pm
Rumblings from Darren on Planet Rock this afternoon that the band may be doing something here later this year.......

Is that Derren Reddick or what ever he's called? I wouldn't grant him much credibility.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: zoony on July 08, 2015, 21:28:17 pm
Quote from: JonL on July 08, 2015, 18:57:04 pm
Is that Derren Reddick or what ever he's called? I wouldn't grant him much credibility.


He's a huge fan, and has interviewed Alex and GED on PR.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Fishy on July 08, 2015, 21:31:46 pm
Quote from: Valen on July 08, 2015, 17:05:32 pm
Rumblings from Darren on Planet Rock this afternoon that the band may be doing something here later this year.......


yes having a holiday maybe...
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Nick on July 08, 2015, 22:55:23 pm
Quote from: Valen on July 08, 2015, 17:05:32 pm
Rumblings from Darren on Planet Rock this afternoon that the band may be doing something here later this year.......


Pinewood studios for the Clockwork Angels film?
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Valen on July 09, 2015, 09:11:09 am
Quote from: JonL on July 08, 2015, 18:57:04 pm
Is that Derren Reddick or what ever he's called? I wouldn't grant him much credibility.


I wouldn't be so hasty to dismiss him - as Zoony says Darren is a huge fan, and has met the band both professionally via PR duties but also as a paying fan through meet and greets.

He always tries to get a Rush track on his playlist each day - lol, he's the reason Karen has turned a corner and rekindled her enjoyment of Rush.

Of course he could be working with duff info, but imho he's a professional when it comes to his day job, and I doubt he would knowingly spread unfounded gossip. I didn't catch the broadcast but Karen did, and Darren did caveat his comments, but it was enough for Karen to drop her work and text me, and she's far less impressionable than I am.

Let's wait and see...........
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: JonL on July 09, 2015, 13:33:46 pm
I'm aware he's a fan, I just don't think he's very good. Then again, I've not listened to PR for a long time, its playlist is about as limited as a local pop station.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Stewart on July 09, 2015, 15:17:16 pm
I spoke to SRO again yesterday...

I'm looking to go to LA.

Make of that what you will, but as of right now Aug 1st is it!
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: captainkurtz on July 09, 2015, 15:24:40 pm
Quote from: Stewart on July 09, 2015, 15:17:16 pm
I spoke to SRO again yesterday...

I'm looking to go to LA.

Make of that what you will,

You want to see what's in store when they tour Eurpe next year?  :)
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 09, 2015, 16:09:20 pm
Quote from: Stewart on July 09, 2015, 15:17:16 pm
I spoke to SRO again yesterday...

I'm looking to go to LA.

Make of that what you will, but as of right now Aug 1st is it!


Forward them my Bloody red Sector A parody then before they retire!

Its our only hope!
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Fishy on July 09, 2015, 16:54:58 pm
Quote from: Jonners on July 09, 2015, 16:09:20 pm
Forward them my Bloody red Sector A parody then before they retire!

Its our only hope!


maybe they read them all and that's why their not coming anymore...
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Thailand Express on July 15, 2015, 02:29:28 am
Now down to single figures for remaining gigs :(
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: NeilP on July 15, 2015, 08:22:36 am
all good things come to an end
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 15, 2015, 10:30:57 am
Wonder if Peart will be doing his sneaky signals to Alex again about how many left etc

Would seems a little crass this time round
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Post by: Fishy on July 15, 2015, 10:50:37 am
Wonder if Peart will actually make it to front and centre of stage and actually say Thanks.....
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Post by: Nick on July 18, 2015, 17:36:45 pm
Quote from: Fishy on July 15, 2015, 10:50:37 am
Wonder if Peart will actually make it to front and centre of stage and actually say Thanks.....


If he does then it really is the end.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Dave64K on July 22, 2015, 10:53:24 am
https://youtu.be/mJYvDJv3eE0 (https://youtu.be/mJYvDJv3eE0)

Maybe a "straw" at 6 minutes in?  :D
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: The Letter R on July 22, 2015, 14:12:00 pm
I'll clutch at that for sure  :)
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: PB on July 22, 2015, 14:16:23 pm
For those of us at work with no access to youtube, what's the "straw"?
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: The Letter R on July 22, 2015, 14:23:19 pm
Alex just alludes to the fact that maybe they were a little premature in the suggestion that this would be the final set of live dates as they were all in good health and enjoying the tour so much.......
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Post by: captainkurtz on July 22, 2015, 14:34:05 pm
See you next year, then.  :)
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 22, 2015, 15:00:17 pm
Quote from: The Letter R on July 22, 2015, 14:23:19 pm
Alex just alludes to the fact that maybe they were a little premature in the suggestion that this would be the final set of live dates as they were all in good health and enjoying the tour so much.......


Enjoying it because of the set, or the brevity of the tour, or because its a last hurrah

I think a mixture of all 3
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Post by: Fishy on July 22, 2015, 15:26:12 pm
mmm..it's not entirily convincing is it.. "maybe we'll see..."...
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Post by: Nick on July 22, 2015, 21:45:40 pm
If they announced a couple of UK shows, say RAH, would you pay £250 a ticket?
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 22, 2015, 22:10:07 pm
Quote from: Nick on July 22, 2015, 21:45:40 pm
If they announced a couple of UK shows, say RAH, would you pay £250 a ticket?

No.
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Post by: Bez on July 22, 2015, 23:17:01 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on July 22, 2015, 22:10:07 pm
No.


Ditto that....
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Thailand Express on July 22, 2015, 23:22:22 pm
Quote from: Nick on July 22, 2015, 21:45:40 pm
If they announced a couple of UK shows, say RAH, would you pay £250 a ticket?


Interesting question.  I might as a one off in a decent theatre venue.  Never been to a gig at the Albert Hall but I've heard it's not the best for rock concerts...
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Fishy on July 22, 2015, 23:35:20 pm
Quote from: Nick on July 22, 2015, 21:45:40 pm
If they announced a couple of UK shows, say RAH, would you pay £250 a ticket?


Not a fecking chance...
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Neph on July 23, 2015, 00:14:45 am
Quote from: Nick on July 22, 2015, 21:45:40 pm
If they announced a couple of UK shows, say RAH, would you pay £250 a ticket?


If it included a gammy from a Tahitian hooker then it's a resounding yes from me.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: captainkurtz on July 23, 2015, 00:29:45 am
Quote from: Nick on July 22, 2015, 21:45:40 pm
If they announced a couple of UK shows, say RAH, would you pay £250 a ticket?

Yes.
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Post by: Muppet on July 23, 2015, 09:50:53 am
Quote from: Neph on July 23, 2015, 00:14:45 am
If it included a gammy from a Tahitian hooker then it's a resounding yes from me.


Better if it was a female Tahitian hooker for me
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Red Star on July 23, 2015, 10:01:52 am
Quote from: Nick on July 22, 2015, 21:45:40 pm
If they announced a couple of UK shows, say RAH, would you pay £250 a ticket?


Yes probably if it was the last chance to ever see them perform live again.
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Post by: Jonners on July 23, 2015, 10:49:18 am
No.

But then again I simply do not believe that they will play their last note on "foreign" soil

I imagine with it being LA there will be a huge afterparty, lots of guests and family and executives. Cant see them all traipsing over to London or Birmingham or Sheffield for that......
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: The Letter R on July 23, 2015, 13:50:10 pm
Quote from: Nick on July 22, 2015, 21:45:40 pm
If they announced a couple of UK shows, say RAH, would you pay £250 a ticket?

That's an easy one - Yes
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Thailand Express on July 23, 2015, 14:12:29 pm
Massey Hall, 40th anniversary of ATWAS?...
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Post by: Matt2112 on July 23, 2015, 15:10:34 pm
Yes to both.  I paid half of £250 to see Prince last year and he's less than half as good...
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Post by: Fishy on July 23, 2015, 16:18:21 pm
so Rush= 0.5 x250 of prince < 0.5  ?
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Post by: Thailand Express on July 23, 2015, 23:42:24 pm
Just listened to Eddie Trunk's interview with Alex from a couple of weeks back.  Certainly doesn't sound like LA will be the end of the band, whether as a live act or not  :)

Other tidbits:-
Alex' arthritis does not affect his playing and he regrets mentioning it.
The Toronto DVD should be out for Christmas.
They rehearsed Something For Nothing.
Eddie thinks Headlong Flight is from the 90s  :o

Listen to it here (interview starts around 30 minutes in)...

http://podcastone.com/pg/jsp/program/episode.jsp?programID=658&pid=524353
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Jonners on July 24, 2015, 10:17:19 am
that will be Christmas next year!
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Post by: ghostwheel on July 27, 2015, 18:31:48 pm
Just seen this.  Well, no surprise.  I did toy briefly with the idea of a jaunt to Vegas, but the overall cost, including taking my partner as it would have been unfair to leave him, was well, well into four figures, and I just couldn't justify it...

Sad to miss this tour.  But in the end I saw every UK date from R30 onwards inclusive, I've seen them north of 30 times, and there were perhaps four songs on this setlist that I hadn't seen and would want to: 3,000 quid is hefty price for that.

I remember when they returned for R30, one of the reasons for seeing all the dates was the thought that, after something like a 12 year gap we thought we'd never see them after that.  Instead we got S&A, Time Machine and CA in addition.  It was a most unexpected, and welcome, bonus, and I thank the band so much for that decade of touring Europe which took my number of shows from two to over fifteen times that number.  It was good guys...
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: captainkurtz on July 27, 2015, 19:02:00 pm
Don't worry, fella...they're coming back next year!
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: NeilP on July 27, 2015, 19:29:07 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on July 27, 2015, 19:02:00 pm
Don't worry, fella...they're coming back next year!


aye, unfortunately it'll be when you're over there! ;)
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Post by: captainkurtz on July 27, 2015, 21:04:24 pm
 ;D

Probably...I was just thinking that yesterday.  ::)
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Thailand Express on July 27, 2015, 22:53:17 pm
Quote from: ghostwheel on July 27, 2015, 18:31:48 pm
I remember when they returned for R30, one of the reasons for seeing all the dates was the thought that, after something like a 12 year gap we thought we'd never see them after that.  Instead we got S&A, Time Machine and CA in addition.  It was a most unexpected, and welcome, bonus, and I thank the band so much for that decade of touring Europe which took my number of shows from two to over fifteen times that number.  It was good guys...


Good points, 4 Euro tours in less than 9 years. I would have been amazed if I'd been told that would have happened at the end of the 90s.
I certainly would never have thought I'd go on to see them live more times in the 21st century than the 20th!

Still it's a real shame missing out on what seems to be the Rush show to end all Rush shows....
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Thailand Express on August 01, 2015, 08:17:32 am
Well folks tonight's the night (possibly).
Anybody staying up late/ getting up early to catch a scope of the gig?...
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: NeilP on August 01, 2015, 14:54:38 pm
might be tempted to catch the encore...
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Post by: Dave64K on August 01, 2015, 17:20:23 pm
So long boys.....it's been a rush!

(http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-exit-stage-left-1.png)
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Post by: Signals get crossed on August 01, 2015, 19:25:27 pm
... oh and remember of course to come & visit us all in the UK and Europe in 2016!
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Post by: Dave64K on August 02, 2015, 07:57:42 am
Lots of the band on periscope from LA

And yest Neil did come stage front at the end of the show :)

https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI184jcwODc4MTR8NTIwNjgxNjcrZs6YlyeQnXqGNDIIBdM6DD-1gcNrszF4soPcxHlKqQ== (https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI184jcwODc4MTR8NTIwNjgxNjcrZs6YlyeQnXqGNDIIBdM6DD-1gcNrszF4soPcxHlKqQ==)

https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI2N-jcwODc4MTR8NTIxMDg0ODiQd-RBqqWs16HAJLsdrSVIkrmfIh1y2Bra0QvCCugGPA== (https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI2N-jcwODc4MTR8NTIxMDg0ODiQd-RBqqWs16HAJLsdrSVIkrmfIh1y2Bra0QvCCugGPA==)

https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI2SijcwODc4MTR8NTIxMTY1NzgQpEr3GlSc7GuwCBNU0fajIWvzB3WR65QxFgwlgAg4_Q== (https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI2SijcwODc4MTR8NTIxMTY1NzgQpEr3GlSc7GuwCBNU0fajIWvzB3WR65QxFgwlgAg4_Q==)

https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI2jxzcwODc4MTR8NTIxNTUxNjVjw0cotmpr3zbKoq-0FiABC2kQpGIEQK1W1GBdZOvVLA== (https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI2jxzcwODc4MTR8NTIxNTUxNjVjw0cotmpr3zbKoq-0FiABC2kQpGIEQK1W1GBdZOvVLA==)
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Post by: Dave64K on August 02, 2015, 08:14:04 am
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CLYdFaUUwAAzfdM.jpg:large)

https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI2s7jk5MzYxNTh8NTIxNTc1MzE-ijF3ct7H4rBGjD0yRu1gvxl_oyitTnUd0h0duJlhGA== (https://www.periscope.tv/w/aI2s7jk5MzYxNTh8NTIxNTc1MzE-ijF3ct7H4rBGjD0yRu1gvxl_oyitTnUd0h0duJlhGA==)
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Post by: Vapor Trailer on August 02, 2015, 08:30:40 am
Ouch...that looks like that's your lot.

I'm sure they'll play together again but the odds for another tour look a bit Gibbon
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Post by: JonL on August 02, 2015, 10:13:57 am
Looks like it's all about the memories now folks.
Never say never, but it's probably safe to say, highly unlikely.
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Post by: Thailand Express on August 02, 2015, 10:22:18 am
Nice closing shot of the guys. From the comments I've read if that's it they have certainly gone out on a high.

Neil's just Tweeted "The end of the road":-

https://mobile.twitter.com/Praetorianx1?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

:(
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Post by: PB on August 02, 2015, 11:16:36 am
http://youtu.be/KOWBLOuLIDU

Taking a bow at the end, sad day. Looks like the end to me, hopefully after a break they will decided otherwise. If it is the end I for one want to say thanks for being part of my life since 1979. Cheers guys.
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Post by: captainkurtz on August 02, 2015, 11:44:08 am
I love those feckers.  :)
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Post by: Thailand Express on August 02, 2015, 11:45:03 am
Exited stage left....

https://instagram.com/p/535FRcAZ9_/
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Post by: JonL on August 02, 2015, 14:28:52 pm
Feeling quite flat.
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Post by: PB on August 02, 2015, 15:03:45 pm
Quote from: JonL on August 02, 2015, 14:28:52 pm
Feeling quite flat.


Yes, good way to describe it.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on August 02, 2015, 15:16:46 pm
Feeling quite thin. That's what a good diet and regular exercise do for you.
Rush stopping touring? No big deal :)
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Post by: zoony on August 02, 2015, 20:45:31 pm
I can't understand the panic. Do you really think they would shit all over their UK fans by not playing over here ever again?
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Post by: Nick on August 02, 2015, 21:05:32 pm
Quote from: zoony on August 02, 2015, 20:45:31 pm
I can't understand the panic. Do you really think they would shit all over their UK fans by not playing over here ever again?


Yes, large touring has ended and any small overseas tour would be a loss maker unless they charged astronomical prices in which case they would also "shit all over their UK fans".

Last night Geddy said "I" hope to see you all again someday" no mention of "we".

Touring is over. I don't think we have been shat upon, they gave us more tours than we thought we would get, they leave a great live legacy.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on August 02, 2015, 21:14:10 pm
Quote from: zoony on August 02, 2015, 20:45:31 pm
I can't understand the panic. Do you really think they would shit all over their UK fans by not playing over here ever again?

We got missed out on plenty of 80s and 90s tours. I couldn't see them ever coming back after 1992 so we haven't done too badly in the 21st Century - being treated to Karaoke Rush :)

Just imagine if you were a Rush fan in Australia.
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Post by: Thailand Express on August 02, 2015, 22:17:19 pm
Kevin J Anderson seems to believe it's the end...

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKJA/status/627892230888407040/photo/1
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Post by: captainkurtz on August 02, 2015, 23:46:27 pm
Like arnie...they'll be back...
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Post by: JonL on August 03, 2015, 00:00:00 am
Quote from: captainkurtz on August 02, 2015, 23:46:27 pm
Like arnie...they'll be back...

About the same age too.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on August 03, 2015, 00:38:42 am
Quote from: Thailand Express on August 02, 2015, 22:17:19 pm
Kevin J Anderson seems to believe it's the end...

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKJA/status/627892230888407040/photo/1

Kevin J Anderson believes he's an author...
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Post by: Thailand Express on August 03, 2015, 11:28:56 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on August 03, 2015, 00:38:42 am
Kevin J Anderson believes he's an author...


;D Whether his tweet was informed or not he seems to have retracted it a bit:-

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKJA/status/627991537499017216?p=v

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKJA/status/627991576942260226?p=v

I think Neil's next blog will offer some more tangible clues...
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Post by: NeilP on August 03, 2015, 13:11:41 pm
Spike Milligan had a view....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRJby3PCfbo
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Post by: Stewart on August 03, 2015, 14:39:25 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on August 03, 2015, 00:38:42 amKevin J Anderson believes he's an author...


Kevin is a friend of mine, I'll tell him you said that :)
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Post by: DavidL on August 03, 2015, 15:29:02 pm
Quote from: Thailand Express on August 03, 2015, 11:28:56 am
;D Whether his tweet was informed or not he seems to have retracted it a bit:-

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKJA/status/627991537499017216?p=v

https://mobile.twitter.com/TheKJA/status/627991576942260226?p=v

I think Neil's next blog will offer some more tangible clues...
Yeah, KJA quite rightly taken to task on his twitter feed for making an announcement that it was 'the end'  - now feeling a little foolish.
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Post by: zoony on August 03, 2015, 17:08:44 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on August 02, 2015, 23:46:27 pm
Like arnie...they'll be back...


At last someone who agrees with me.
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Post by: Bez on August 03, 2015, 19:46:22 pm
Quote from: Stewart on August 03, 2015, 14:39:25 pm
Kevin is a friend of mine, I'll tell him you said that :)


I wouldn't recommend him joining the community here.... ::)
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Post by: Fishy on August 03, 2015, 21:16:06 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on August 02, 2015, 23:46:27 pm
Like arnie...they'll be back...


yeah but you wish he hadn't bothered ..right  ?
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on August 03, 2015, 22:20:02 pm
Quote from: Stewart on August 03, 2015, 14:39:25 pm
Kevin is a friend of mine, I'll tell him you said that :)

Be my guest :)

Even over at TRF they don't think much to his writing skills...
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Post by: Nick on August 04, 2015, 00:00:22 am
Quote from: Stewart on August 03, 2015, 14:39:25 pm
Kevin is a friend of mine, I'll tell him you said that :)


Seems to me like a latter day Rush parasite, peddling extras to the Rush masses under the guise of some sort of official Rush product, bet he has to split the dosh with Peart.I'll take the music.
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Post by: Thailand Express on August 04, 2015, 20:37:33 pm
Quote from: Stewart on August 03, 2015, 14:39:25 pm
Kevin is a friend of mine, I'll tell him you said that :)


;D Touché

Did you make it to LA then Stewart?

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Post by: Thailand Express on August 05, 2015, 14:15:22 pm
Review of the final show from Classic Rock:-

https://www.teamrock.com/reviews/2015-08-02/rush-at-the-end-of-the-road

It seems the next edition of the magazine will have an interview feature from the last part of the tour. Going by the tone of Phil Wilding's gig review it seems pretty final...
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Post by: Jonners on August 10, 2015, 10:55:26 am
Think that's it people

(https://jackofalltriads.files.wordpress.com/2014/02/so-long-farewell.jpg)
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Post by: zoony on August 10, 2015, 21:47:47 pm
We'll see...
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Post by: Jonners on August 11, 2015, 12:25:14 pm
(https://lifeinthegym.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/bury-your-head-in-the-sand.jpg)
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Post by: Red Star on August 11, 2015, 13:24:19 pm
Well despite what others may feel that band owe us nothing I tend to disagree and I think that it will be a pretty poor show on their part not to come and say goodbye to the UK fans who were responsible for a very large part of their success.
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Post by: Fishy on August 11, 2015, 13:50:55 pm
Quote from: Red Star on August 11, 2015, 13:24:19 pm
Well despite what others may feel that band owe us nothing I tend to disagree and I think that it will be a pretty poor show on their part not to come and say goodbye to the UK fans who were responsible for a very large part of their success.


have to agree with that..
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Post by: zoony on August 13, 2015, 21:29:16 pm
Quote from: Fishy on August 11, 2015, 13:50:55 pm
have to agree with that..


Seconded.
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Post by: Thailand Express on August 13, 2015, 22:02:37 pm
Somehow someone's got hold of one of the photos Neil took at the end of the final gig....

(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t180/imzadi-7/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsro5zwxku.jpg)
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Post by: Fishy on August 13, 2015, 22:37:30 pm
if this is their last concert i'm sure that will be enlarged/ framed and hung on a wall in peart's lounge
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Post by: Nick on August 13, 2015, 23:04:42 pm
Quote from: Fishy on August 13, 2015, 22:37:30 pm
if this is their last concert i'm sure that will be enlarged/ framed and hung on a wall in peart's lounge



What! a picture of thousands of strangers!!  ;)
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Post by: Fishy on August 13, 2015, 23:48:50 pm
or made into a dart board    :)
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Post by: Jonners on August 14, 2015, 11:55:20 am
anyone we know in that lot?
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Post by: JonL on August 14, 2015, 16:15:11 pm
Quote from: Jonners on August 14, 2015, 11:55:20 am
anyone we know in that lot?

I think that's Geddy's bass in the foreground. ;D
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Post by: NeilP on August 14, 2015, 18:15:05 pm
I recognise a couple of folk
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Post by: Dods on August 17, 2015, 12:45:19 pm
The lights are glaring us out on the left front...
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Post by: Jonners on August 17, 2015, 15:01:01 pm
Quote from: Dods on August 17, 2015, 12:45:19 pm
The lights are glaring us out on the left front...


How was it?

Did you get a sense of the final curtain coming down?
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Post by: NeilP on August 17, 2015, 15:52:23 pm
the quote I saw from Dods.... 'they're done'
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Post by: Dods on August 17, 2015, 16:36:12 pm
Sadly I think so. An interesting atmosphere at that gig like it was acknowledged they are done live so the crowd were well up for it. Unprecedented actions by NP at the end as his face & 'mouthings' said it all. Bizarrely one of the best I have seen them play, only outshone by second night TO shows this & CA tour.

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Post by: captainkurtz on August 17, 2015, 17:19:16 pm
Alex's utterings suggest otherwise...

Surprisingly, he also suggests arthritis isn't hindering his playing at all and he regrets even bringing it up...

Not to piss anyone off, but I think they are not done as a live entity.  Touring one, perhaps.  Live, no.
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Post by: Jonners on August 17, 2015, 17:27:38 pm
what is the difference?

If they come to Europe its a Tour! They wouldn't come and do 1 or two gigs, an utterly pointless and financially daft idea. Plus they like to practice loads before they "tour", have a huge ensemble of staff and support people who somehow would have to either be kept on retainers, or pray that they are available as and when.

And hopefully we can put the festival headlining debate to bed once and for all as well.

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Post by: captainkurtz on August 17, 2015, 17:44:00 pm
Difference is they're not really retiring from live performance, are they.

I'm lucky enough to have zero interests other than going to gigs so will just be hopping on a plane to see them.  My job being what it is, I cannot really do abroad trips from June - end of sept...
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Post by: Fishy on August 17, 2015, 17:45:11 pm
i think a Geddy Lee jazz odyssey tour is still on the cards...  can't see peart leaving home ever again tbh..
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Post by: Matt2112 on August 17, 2015, 17:55:21 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on August 17, 2015, 17:19:16 pmNot to piss anyone off, but I think they are not done as a live entity.  Touring one, perhaps.  Live, no.


This seems to me the most accurate state of play given what we've heard from the horse's mouth.  There will still be Rush shows - the only difference will be that the fanbois must do all the travelling. :)
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Post by: Jonners on August 17, 2015, 18:18:05 pm
Would be good for increasing DVD sales!
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Post by: Thailand Express on August 18, 2015, 01:24:11 am
Quote from: Dods on August 17, 2015, 16:36:12 pm
Sadly I think so. An interesting atmosphere at that gig like it was acknowledged they are done live so the crowd were well up for it. Unprecedented actions by NP at the end as his face & 'mouthings' said it all. Bizarrely one of the best I have seen them play


I would hate their last gig to be rubbish (hopefully it's not happened yet right enough).
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Post by: Valen on August 18, 2015, 09:46:17 am
This debate will just rumble on and on....

As much as I'd dearly like to see the band on these shores one more time, until there's an official announcement confirming it, then all the speculation doesn't amount to a hill of bubba beans.

As other posters have mentioned, it's a huge undertaking, with a lot of prep needed beforehand, and if the crew and inner circle are saying that there are no further plans then perhaps we should accept their comments on face value. After all, they'll be the first to get the call.

Sounds like the even the band don't know themselves what they want to do next - they're probably just happy they made it through the 34 dates health and legacy intact, and now off to enjoy their school holidays with their families.

In some ways I'm kinda relieved it's quietening down for a while - I can get back on with my life instead of frantically searching Rush sites every breakfast.

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Post by: Slim on September 13, 2015, 12:47:36 pm
I suspect there might be another live show somewhere, maybe a couple. Some benefit show or reunion for a charity of some sort.

A tour of the UK? Probably not. I'm just glad I have the set. Having seen some amateur footage of this last jaunt round North America I have to say they weren't really doing the old stuff justice. But - purely from a nostalgia point of view I would have been thrilled to see them attempt Lakeside Park, What You're Doing, Anthem, bits of Hemispheres et al. It's a shame we didn't have an opportunity to see that.

But if I never get to see them again I can be happy that I saw them perform all those tunes when they were at the top of their game, a very long time ago.
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Post by: L3rxst on September 14, 2015, 15:42:24 pm
Interesting and I have to agree with Slim's last point. These guys are no longer at the top of their game, and maybe that's part of their decision making.
I did make both Toronto gigs this year, and whilst it was a total priveledge to do so, it did seem like they were trotting the tunes out and not interacting with the audience so much, which suggested to me that they were not necessarily enjoying the whole thing any more. I felt the same on the previous tour too. It just looked like a chore to them.
They may not be at the top of their game anymore, but they will always be legends to me and Alex in particular changed my life by influencing me to the guitar many years ago.
I do believe that they will play again, but to suit them, not the fans. I guess that they have well earned that choice by giving us such great music and memories over the decades.
Anyway, I am not sure that Alex would get that syrup through UK Customs  :)
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Post by: Jonners on September 14, 2015, 16:07:09 pm
Why? Is it made out of hemp?
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Post by: Fishy on September 14, 2015, 16:22:04 pm
Follicle  The Dream
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on September 14, 2015, 16:54:55 pm
The Waltz of the Weaves
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Post by: DavidL on September 14, 2015, 21:54:37 pm
Quote from: L3rxst on September 14, 2015, 15:42:24 pm
Interesting and I have to agree with Slim's last point. These guys are no longer at the top of their game, and maybe that's part of their decision making.

Did I see three wry smiles when they played Losing It? .. :-\

Ray Daniels?......  >:(

me?... :'(
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Post by: Thailand Express on October 03, 2015, 02:41:15 am
New baseball related interview with Geddy from this week, but he does hint at the disagreements within the band over touring (4:30 in if you don't want to sit through it all)....

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/7417714/v512622983/rush-legend-joins-mlb-central (http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/7417714/v512622983/rush-legend-joins-mlb-central)
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Post by: NeilP on October 03, 2015, 11:12:41 am
different head spaces.... is that what you call a determined drummer?
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Post by: Thailand Express on October 03, 2015, 12:13:39 pm
Quote from: NeilP on October 03, 2015, 11:12:41 am
different head spaces.... is that what you call a determined drummer?


Title for the live album?  ;D


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Post by: JonL on October 03, 2015, 14:28:08 pm
Somebody has to win the argument.
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Post by: L3rxst on October 15, 2015, 16:59:57 pm
Well guys, maybe not, this is from the Power Windows News web page today related to an interview with GL:

Geddy Lee talks to the Dan Patrick Show
UPDATE: Besides talking about the Blue Jays (especially last night's seventh inning), Dan asked Geddy about his baseball memorabilia, singing the Canadian National Anthem at the '93 All Star Game, etc. Dan asked what Rush's future plans are, and Geddy confirmed "There are no plans. It's very unlikely that we will tour again at this point."

Sounds like Peart is digging in, and there is no show without Punch.....
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Post by: captainkurtz on October 15, 2015, 17:06:44 pm
So not completely unlikely, then.  :)
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Post by: Matt2112 on October 15, 2015, 17:13:32 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on October 15, 2015, 17:06:44 pm
So not completely unlikely, then.  :)


;D
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Post by: Jonners on October 15, 2015, 17:44:22 pm
Zooners is going to go berserk!
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 15, 2015, 21:17:07 pm
Quote from: L3rxst on October 15, 2015, 16:59:57 pm
Sounds like Peart is digging in, and there is no show without Punch.....

Why don't they just tour with another drummer?

There's plenty our there just as good as, or better than Pert and they've had another drummer before :)

Problem solved. Eyethangyew.

They could rope in a singer too, and a guitarist  :D
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Post by: captainkurtz on October 15, 2015, 22:33:13 pm
And some new songwriters.  And definitely a new producer.  And a new manager as well.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 15, 2015, 22:42:00 pm
AND NO "COMEDY" VIDEOS!!!!!!
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Post by: Thailand Express on October 15, 2015, 23:10:12 pm
Seems like Neil wants to quit the band but remain a member of it.  A bit of an awkward impasse!

I'd happily go to see Geddy and Alex playing live with different musicians, it just wouldn't be Rush obviously.  They could call it "Dirxst" :D
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Post by: Fishy on October 16, 2015, 10:16:58 am
Jazz odyssey (with no singing)
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Post by: zoony on October 16, 2015, 11:02:42 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 15, 2015, 21:17:07 pm
Why don't they just tour with another drummer?

There's plenty our there just as good as, or better than Pert and they've had another drummer before :)

Problem solved. Eyethangyew.

They could rope in a singer too, and a guitarist  :D


Since 1974, Alex, Geddy and Neil. It's the 3 of them, or nothing for me.
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Post by: Jonners on October 16, 2015, 11:27:00 am
Unfortunately its nothing anyway Zooners, we have lost out in Europe.

Thanks for the memories guys, but it is leaving a bit of a sour taste
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Post by: PB on October 16, 2015, 11:56:08 am
Quote from: Jonners on October 16, 2015, 11:27:00 am
Unfortunately its nothing anyway Zooners, we have lost out in Europe.

Thanks for the memories guys, but it is leaving a bit of a sour taste


Exactly my thoughts, extending the R40 tour by a few weeks to include the UK and Europe surely wouldnt have been such a hardship. >:(
Sour taste to say the least.
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Post by: Matt2112 on October 16, 2015, 12:27:05 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 15, 2015, 21:17:07 pm
Why don't they just tour with another drummer?

There's plenty our there just as good as, or better than Pert and they've had another drummer before :)

Problem solved. Eyethangyew.

They could rope in a singer too, and a guitarist  :D


No to all that.  Just bring back Peter Collins and Andy Richards and do another album.

You're welcome.  8)
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Post by: Nick on October 16, 2015, 19:07:34 pm
Posted by FOH Lights on another forum, tends to be a reliable poster.



To think that G&A are not miffed by the situation would be naive. The inner circle, including Neil, are well aware of how they feel. There was a picture I posted a while back (someone else did too) that showed one of their last walks to the stage and it's very telling, IMO. Taken from behind, it shows Neil leading, followed by G&A walking next to each other. Neil appears as happy as a pig in shite, while G&A, not so much. Towards the end of the tour, Neil had a few shirts made - a picture taken of him from behind, riding his bike with his arms raised in the air (in victorious fashion) and a big red circle with a line through it covering the whole thing. The caption was something like, "the end of the road". He presented them to G&A and Alex promptly threw his in the nearest trash can. Of course, they have/would never let their feelings be known publicly, but this was not a fairy tale ending. There was no celebration together - no final night out together, as one might expect. Even at the end of tour bash, there was no touching moment where they all hugged, thanked each other for the amazing ride, and no heartfelt goodbyes. It just ended, with a LOT of mixed emotions.

IDK, maybe I'm biased, but for those who say that Neil deserves to be left alone and be with his family, you should take into consideration how HE orchestrated their swan song. IMO, it was a final FU to not only the whole organization, but also to the fans. Neil is a professional, and could have easily toughed it out for another 3 months to give his band mates, and especially the fans (who really deserved it), a proper last tour. It could have been handled differently, with a little more compassion, and a LOT more class. So I ask you to dig deep and wonder for a minute, did his actions seem like those of a team player who took everyone's wants & desires into consideration, or were they selfish and based only on what was best for Neil?
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Post by: DavidL on October 16, 2015, 20:46:16 pm
Whilst it is a disappointment if it is the end, I can see, perhaps, why Neil in particular wants to get off the treadmill.
I think he carries a big responsibility for the artistc direction of each album and maybe he just couldn't face having to come up with another 'concept' after CA. Even thought the album was well-received for the songs it contained, the concept did not seem to resonate with many, especially critics. I can see how this must be frustrating after all the effort he made to weave some kind of narrative throughout.
Obviously just conjecture, but it wouldn't surprise me if he just couldn't do it again after CA.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 16, 2015, 20:56:44 pm
Quote from: Matt2112 on October 16, 2015, 12:27:05 pm
No to all that.  Just bring back Peter Collins and Andy Richards and do another album.



Why? You can't polish turds.
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Post by: captainkurtz on October 16, 2015, 21:15:00 pm
Maybe he just can't be arsed.  Which is fair enough.

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Post by: Thailand Express on October 16, 2015, 22:31:09 pm
Quote from: Nick on October 16, 2015, 19:07:34 pm
Towards the end of the tour, Neil had a few shirts made - a picture taken of him from behind, riding his bike with his arms raised in the air (in victorious fashion) and a big red circle with a line through it covering the whole thing. The caption was something like, "the end of the road". He presented them to G&A and Alex promptly threw his in the nearest trash can.


Interesting, sounds like it could be this t-shirt (front and back images from Neil's last blog)

(http://www.neilpeart.net/news/september_2015/horizon_front.jpg)

(http://www.neilpeart.net/news/september_2015/horizon_back.jpg)

Not sure I can believe the bit about Alex lobbing it directly into a bin though!
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Post by: DavidL on October 17, 2015, 00:49:43 am
Quote from: captainkurtz on October 16, 2015, 21:15:00 pm
Maybe he just can't be arsed.  Which is fair enough.
My point exactly and it is fair enough. After what he's gone through he has the right to decide to do whatever he chooses in my book.
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Post by: JonL on October 17, 2015, 15:48:44 pm
If you have people who want 2 different things, someone will get their way, someone won't. How do we know that Neil didn't want to pack n after the CA tour? Seems to me he's been touring under duress for years, so this talk of "another short tour won't hurt" May have been what Neil has been doing for a long time.
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Post by: zoony on October 17, 2015, 20:41:37 pm
Quote from: DavidL on October 17, 2015, 00:49:43 am
My point exactly and it is fair enough. After what he's gone through he has the right to decide to do whatever he chooses in my book.


Understood, but let's not forget that Alex and Geddy were prepared to call it a day and waited a long time for Neil to come back to the band after the tough time he went through in the late 90s.
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Post by: DavidL on October 17, 2015, 21:57:13 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 17, 2015, 20:41:37 pm
Understood, but let's not forget that Alex and Geddy were prepared to call it a day and waited a long time for Neil to come back to the band after the tough time he went through in the late 90s.
Just about everything that's been said on this subject by all of us here is conjecture. We have no way of knowing what was/is the true nature of all three members' views on the continuation of the band at any point in its existence. What comes out in the media may bear little relation to the truth. I'd be very surprised if Alex and Geddy felt that Neil owed them in someway for waiting until he was ready to continue back then (forgive me if that's not the inference).  Of course at the time it would have been entirely right and proper for the both of them to publicly state they were prepared to fold the band if Neil didn't want to continue.
He is being painted as the villain in this drama (by all of us) and this seems a little unfair. Perhaps he's just had enough of being considered, artistically, as one third of the whole. They've given us some great music and we all have some great memories but the last person that can produce good work under duress is surely an artist.
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Post by: NeilP on October 18, 2015, 02:27:15 am
he clealrly is the villian here, maybe he wasn't clear about this at the outset ot maybe Alex and Geddy thought he'd change his mind, this last tour was extremely lucrative?
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Post by: captainkurtz on October 18, 2015, 13:04:18 pm
As long as he hasn't reneged on any agreements, he isn't a villain at all.  You could just as easily argue that Alex and Geddy are throwing their toys out the pram.

All of this is complete hearsay, of course.  I'm sure he truth is nowhere near as juicy.
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Post by: zoony on October 18, 2015, 14:42:30 pm
I don't care what anyone says, I'll not change my view that if it is to be the end, they should have done some European shows for their loyal fans who live here.
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Post by: captainkurtz on October 18, 2015, 16:22:07 pm
Why?  They owe us nowt.
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Post by: DavidL on October 18, 2015, 18:44:10 pm
Quote from: NeilP on October 18, 2015, 02:27:15 am
he clealrly is the villian here, maybe he wasn't clear about this at the outset ot maybe Alex and Geddy thought he'd change his mind, this last tour was extremely lucrative?
So, he's the villain because he didn't change his mind, as Alex and Geddy thought he might've done? As for being clear at the outset, R40 was always promoted as the last big tour, wasn't it?
The tour made a lot of money but why would that affect Neil's decision to quit? None of them need a great deal more money, I would guess that the only person who would be concerned with such things might be Ray Daniels.
This is getting silly.
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Post by: NeilP on October 18, 2015, 19:30:02 pm
I didn't say that and the others are clearly p*ssed off by his shenaigans, I suspect they (G&A) weren't involved in what he planned at the end of LA?
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Post by: zoony on October 18, 2015, 19:58:19 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on October 18, 2015, 16:22:07 pm
Why?  They owe us nowt.


Sorry mate, we obviously see things differently then. In my eyes it shows a lack of respect for the European fans, and it's left a bitter taste in my mouth.
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Post by: NeilP on October 18, 2015, 20:05:52 pm
He doesn't care about us Yurupeans, I blame that boat trip
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Post by: Bez on October 18, 2015, 20:16:34 pm
Quote from: NeilP on October 18, 2015, 20:05:52 pm

I blame that boat trip


;D
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Post by: DavidL on October 18, 2015, 21:43:41 pm
Quote from: NeilP on October 18, 2015, 19:30:02 pm
I didn't say that
What didn't you say?
Quote from: NeilP on October 18, 2015, 19:30:02 pm
the others are clearly p*ssed off by his shenaigans,
Shenanigans? Perhaps they're just annoyed that the decision to call time on the band was not theirs.

NP= awkward, inconsiderate bastard (for choosing his own destny - rather than continue under duress as suggested by some who he doesn't know from Adam)
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Post by: Thailand Express on October 18, 2015, 22:46:54 pm
If Neil wants to retire so be it. He's 63, worth a bomb and has nothing left to prove artistically. Totally reasonable decision.

However from my observers' viewpoint it seems to have been, how to say... regrettably managed.
The mixed messages coming from the band regarding the future have led the fans on a merry dance. Neil posting cryptic clues on his blog didn't exactly help, and his bridge burning piece in Classic Rock left a particularly bad taste in the mouth.
Wish them well indeed...
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Post by: DavidL on October 18, 2015, 22:56:10 pm
We should all be thankful he gave us another 35 years after writing Limelight!
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Post by: captainkurtz on October 18, 2015, 23:07:50 pm
What was the bridge burning thing in classic rock?  That no one gave him a high 5 after hearing his new solo?  Didn't read the article....
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Post by: NeilP on October 19, 2015, 00:36:58 am
Quote from: DavidL on October 18, 2015, 21:43:41 pm
What didn't you say?Shenanigans? Perhaps they're just annoyed that the decision to call time on the band was not theirs.

NP= awkward, inconsiderate bastard (for choosing his own destny - rather than continue under duress as suggested by some who he doesn't know from Adam)


ho hum, it seems pretty obvious that it's his call but he hadn't shared it with the others until near the end, all this bs about 'not touring on this scale again' ... he's had enough, simple and I don't begrudge him that but it's been very messy and poorly managed. Presumably, there'll be some sort of announcement following the DVD or in the new year?
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 19, 2015, 00:43:19 am
Quote from: NeilP on October 18, 2015, 20:05:52 pm
He doesn't care about us Yurupeans, I blame that boat trip

Aye, it's all the fault of Reg and Spirit of Rich  >:(
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 19, 2015, 00:46:30 am
Quote from: zoony on October 18, 2015, 14:42:30 pm
I don't care what anyone says, I'll not change my view that if it is to be the end, they should have done some European shows for their loyal fans who live here.

What about their fans in countries they'd never been to?
It's the music Business, they follow the money. They started "neglecting" us from GuP, it's no big deal.
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Post by: Thailand Express on October 19, 2015, 01:07:29 am
Quote from: captainkurtz on October 18, 2015, 23:07:50 pm
What was the bridge burning thing in classic rock?  That no one gave him a high 5 after hearing his new solo?  Didn't read the article....


That's the one. Throwing all manner of associates "under the bus" as Gump himself put it.

He's certainly an unusual guy.  I recall a recent interview discussing the lyrics to Wish Them Well where he said he regularly severs ties with people he'd previously considered to be close friends with.
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Post by: NeilP on October 19, 2015, 01:10:12 am
yes, that last one is one of the things he does regularly... so I've read
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Post by: DavidL on October 19, 2015, 01:26:22 am
Quote from: NeilP on October 19, 2015, 00:36:58 am
ho hum, it seems pretty obvious that it's his call but he hadn't shared it with the others until near the end
You, I or anyone on this site probably has not the slightest idea when any decision was made or when it was communicated to the rest of the organisation even if it is obvious that it was Neil's decision. Why would we think we had?
As for it being poorly managed, I'm sure  the band are aware of the numerous bands that have announced 'final' tours only to re-form and go out on the road again at a later date. Rush have, for the most part, always tried to act with integrity and to make a statement other than that which suggested it may be their last large-scale tour would have left them open to severe criticism if they tour extensively in the future. As far as I'm concerned they've stuck with that line - the future is uncertain but at this point it looks like no more big tours, probably because Neil's had enough.
We don't know any of these people well, we just appreciate their art.
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Post by: NeilP on October 19, 2015, 01:51:00 am
I might have a different perspective from somethings I've read, let's just leave it there.
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Post by: Spirit of Rich on October 19, 2015, 12:30:38 pm
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 19, 2015, 00:43:19 am
Aye, it's all the fault of Reg and Spirit of Rich  >:(


You were the one pissing him off by tapping out YYZ on the table with your cutlery  ;D
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Post by: Jonners on October 19, 2015, 12:36:12 pm
Quote from: Spirit of Rich on October 19, 2015, 12:30:38 pm
You were the one pissing him off by tapping out YYZ on the table with your cutlery  ;D


Knowing Simmers he probably got it wrong, and was tapping "SOS.. we are sinking."
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Post by: Jon on October 19, 2015, 12:59:40 pm
Clearly the band don't actually owe us anything & no-one seems to feel that more acutely than Neil Peart - he's been very clear that in his view that his success is down to his own hard work and that the fans didn't make him who he was.  However the band as a whole has often remarked on the fans who stuck by them when they were not the darlings of the critics, so as a collective entity they seemed to recognise the importance of their fanbase.  There was a time when the band felt it was an achievement to be touring and recording in the UK/Europe, despite the fact that the venues were not so ideal and there was less money to be made.  Those days are clearly long gone. 

Twice, I have booked trips to North American Rush dates in the belief that they weren't going to come to Europe, only for additional legs to be booked including stops in the UK.  I wasn't too bothered as I managed to book the trips to coincide with holidays in the US/Mexico.  However I nearly didn't book for this R40 tour as it didn't really suit for combining with a holiday this time and I thought the same thing would probably happen again.  However in the end, I decided to spend a few days in Vancouver and got tickets for the concert there (thanks Lucy!).  I'm really glad I did, as it looks like that may have been my last opportunity to see Rush live.

I can understand some people being left with a sour taste though.  There was no definitive statement that the band were not going to come to Europe this time & I'm sure some people would have held off in expectation of a second leg being added (this thread not withstanding).  The comments being made were pretty vague - probably the last tour of this magnitude etc.  As to whether NP is the villain of the piece, I cannot say.  We do not know exactly what he had said to the others, nor do we know whether similar statements had been made internally about previous tours, only for NP to relent and allow second legs to be added.  That may account for the vagueness.  However, I am disappointed that collectively the band ended up not coming to Europe and also didn't make it very clear that they were not going to come.

I don't think anyone would care if the band said something was a final tour and then made a decision to tour again a few years down the line.  It happens so often now, I don't think it even attracts much comment anymore.  The vagueness meant that - putting aside the cost of a trip to NA - some didn't even get the chance to make the choice to see them 'one last time'.   
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Post by: majorkurtz on October 19, 2015, 13:29:49 pm
I've been telling my wife it is "probably the last chance to see them" for years and years :-)
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Post by: NeilP on October 19, 2015, 14:57:09 pm
she will probably believe you now ;)
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Post by: DavidL on October 19, 2015, 15:19:43 pm
Quote from: Jon on October 19, 2015, 12:59:40 pm
The vagueness meant that - putting aside the cost of a trip to NA - some didn't even get the chance to make the choice to see them 'one last time'.
I feel that this statement sums up the only sensible reason to criticise the band and provide some justification for UK and European fans' disappointment.

An extremely measured and sensible post from Jon.
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Post by: L3rxst on October 19, 2015, 16:40:42 pm
I'd rather they didn't continue to tour @ a likely £100+ a ticket for a less than willing performance and then legging it at the end of the show (Rush have done their well publicised "runner" at the end of the show now for many years whilst the crowd watch the end animations). Although I do agree that a nod to their European fans would have been appropriate. I think that Geddy and Alex are probably thinking that Neil will come around to a few more dates and talked him into R40 on a "on continent at a time" basis. But I don't think that is going to happen now. I have been wrong before though; when Clockwork Angels came out I said that I wouldn't ever be humming any of that in the car on the way to work..... well now I am...... go figure eh?
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Post by: Jude S on October 19, 2015, 20:15:12 pm
I think it's ridiculous that it's causing so much talk. Neil is entitled to do whatever he wants and is under no obligation to tell anyone!! He's always said he didn't want to tour any more and those of us who went across the water have been telling everyone they are not coming to Europe but weren't believed!!   Extending an exhausting US TOUR BY THREE MONTHS TO Europe is a big thing for someone with a 5 year old daughter, so why should he? The band have always been honest and are continuing to do so so I don't think anyone should criticise them for it.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 19, 2015, 21:20:51 pm
Quote from: Jonners on October 19, 2015, 12:36:12 pm
Knowing Simmers he probably got it wrong, and was tapping "SOS.. we are sinking."

It was actually Blackout by Scorpions. The ship's motion probably affected it...
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Post by: zoony on October 19, 2015, 22:36:46 pm
Quote from: Jude S on October 19, 2015, 20:15:12 pm
I think it's ridiculous that it's causing so much talk. Neil is entitled to do whatever he wants and is under no obligation to tell anyone!! He's always said he didn't want to tour any more and those of us who went across the water have been telling everyone they are not coming to Europe but weren't believed!!   Extending an exhausting US TOUR BY THREE MONTHS TO Europe is a big thing for someone with a 5 year old daughter, so why should he? The band have always been honest and are continuing to do so so I don't think anyone should criticise them for it.


Thanks for that, I'm glad you could afford to go to America to see them. 23 posts in 11 years eh, I guess this subject must have got to you then?!
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Post by: Jude S on October 19, 2015, 23:32:06 pm
Quote from: zoony on October 19, 2015, 22:36:46 pm
Thanks for that, I'm glad you could afford to go to America to see them. 23 posts in 11 years eh, I guess this subject must have got to you then?!


You're right, Rob, this topic has got to me. I usually leave the posting on TNMS to JP unless I feel strongly about something. The band never promised to tour over here so I hate to see people criticising them for what they feel they are owed. Luckily we could go to America by bringing forward plans we had for later years to ensure we saw them one last time. Up until that point, we were sure that the Clockwork Angels tour was the last .........there are no expectations and certainly no obligations by the band.
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Post by: DavidL on October 20, 2015, 00:01:04 am
Quote from: zoony on October 19, 2015, 22:36:46 pm
Thanks for that, I'm glad you could afford to go to America to see them. 23 posts in 11 years eh, I guess this subject must have got to you then?!
If the 23rd is anything to go by, it's a clear case of quality over quantity  ;)
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Post by: franksidebottom on October 20, 2015, 02:16:27 am
Quote from: Jude S on October 19, 2015, 20:15:12 pm
I think it's ridiculous that it's causing so much talk. Neil is entitled to do whatever he wants and is under no obligation to tell anyone!! He's always said he didn't want to tour any more and those of us who went across the water have been telling everyone they are not coming to Europe but weren't believed!!   Extending an exhausting US TOUR BY THREE MONTHS TO Europe is a big thing for someone with a 5 year old daughter, so why should he? The band have always been honest and are continuing to do so so I don't think anyone should criticise them for it.


Three months? More like four weeks tops.

Although I accept most of what you say. If I decided to retire at 63 (fat chance btw) then that's my choice, particularly if hitting the drums hurts nowadays. As an earlier poster said though, if that is your decision then be up front about it from the outset. Had I known this was it at the start of the tour I might well have shelled out for a repeat of the Boston Garden show of 2010, as at that stage I didn't think there was a cat in hell's chance of the Time Machine Tour crossing the pond.
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Post by: Fishy on October 20, 2015, 10:04:45 am
Quote from: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 19, 2015, 21:20:51 pm
It was actually Blackout by Scorpions. The ship's motion probably affected it...


right so the blame has now shifted to the captain of the ferry... bastard !
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Post by: Jonners on October 20, 2015, 11:33:53 am
Quote from: Jude S on October 19, 2015, 23:32:06 pm
You're right, Rob, this topic has got to me. I usually leave the posting on TNMS to JP unless I feel strongly about something. The band never promised to tour over here so I hate to see people criticising them for what they feel they are owed. Luckily we could go to America by bringing forward plans we had for later years to ensure we saw them one last time. Up until that point, we were sure that the Clockwork Angels tour was the last .........there are no expectations and certainly no obligations by the band.


100% agree.

I do find it odd that I would not have gone to see them if they came over, but for some reason I have a slight bad taste in my mouth over the whole thing. I think I must be feeling dissapointment by proxy for the big fans like Zooners etc
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Post by: Fishy on October 20, 2015, 11:44:51 am
I've still not convinced myself that had they come over to the UK under the guise of this being the last tour whether i would have gone or not tbh... £80/£90 for cheap seats, for 2 and half hours of music, half of which possibly wouldn't interest me and for what.. just being able to say i was there... Would rather hold on to the fading memories i have from previous earlier (80s/90s) tours...
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Post by: zoony on October 20, 2015, 20:11:36 pm
Quote from: franksidebottom on October 20, 2015, 02:16:27 am
Three months? More like four weeks tops.

Although I accept most of what you say. If I decided to retire at 63 (fat chance btw) then that's my choice, particularly if hitting the drums hurts nowadays. As an earlier poster said though, if that is your decision then be up front about it from the outset. Had I known this was it at the start of the tour I might well have shelled out for a repeat of the Boston Garden show of 2010, as at that stage I didn't think there was a cat in hell's chance of the Time Machine Tour crossing the pond.


I'm not disagreeing that what you've said on the subject is totally valid Jude, but I'd also like to think that you'd understand why a lot of us have been miffed about how it's "ended".
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Post by: zoony on October 20, 2015, 20:14:33 pm
Quote from: Jonners on October 20, 2015, 11:33:53 am
100% agree.

I do find it odd that I would not have gone to see them if they came over, but for some reason I have a slight bad taste in my mouth over the whole thing. I think I must be feeling dissapointment by proxy for the big fans like Zooners etc


Jonners lad, I thought I was a big fan until I met a lot of the folk on here, and I'm not in the same league as them! Doesn't stop me from being disappointed about how things have transpired though.
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Post by: Jonners on October 21, 2015, 11:07:47 am
Quote from: zoony on October 20, 2015, 20:14:33 pm
Jonners lad, I thought I was a big fan until I met a lot of the folk on here, and I'm not in the same league as them! Doesn't stop me from being disappointed about how things have transpired though.


Its a real shame for a lot of very loyal fans.

I think 2/3rds of the band, all the crew and management would have loved to have a final hurrah and  say goodbye properly

But, we are very spoiled in a way, they have played and toured and released material for 40 years, mostly at a very high standard.

Nothing lasts forever
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Post by: Valen on October 21, 2015, 14:19:55 pm
Oh boy, this is a toughie isn't it?

On the one hand, there are a lot of disappointed fans out there (and not without some justification), but equally there's a lot of empathy for the band given their legacy and advancing years.

It's easy to blame one person, from the outside looking in, but really we have no idea what's been going on between the guys, and you have to admire their professionalism in fielding these questions. Other bands would have been less gracious.

I spent the summer reading Peart's books, and to be honest I came away feeling that he's not a particularly likeable guy. His comments and actions often seemed selfish and surprisingly myopic for someone so well travelled; an indulgence that relies on the loyalty and hard graft of others to enable him to ride off into the sunset on a whim. I struggle a bit with his "I dislike touring because it takes me away from my family", when he then opines about how he needs his bike adventures or the retreat of his log cabin.

I also struggle a little with his current stance - if it's true , of course.

No one denies he went through hell 15 years ago, but Alex and Geddy stood by him all through that period. It seems a tad shallow of the man to now repay that loyalty and friendship by refusing just a little more of his precious time to stand by them in their willingness to play to those fans who've missed out on R40. The guys know each others' limitations and surely wouldn't him press him to commit to something unrealistic.

It just seems a shame that Peart can't man up and put out a statement that his touring days are definitively over, instead of leaving the burden to his bandmates in the face of growing resentment from disappointed fans.

Of course, it's all speculative - we'll never truly know.

For now, I've reluctantly accepted that it's done, and I'm not going to see them live again. I'm not bitter - I'm grateful they came to the UK from R30 through to the CA tour, and each time I saw them I partied like it would be the last show. But I feel truly sorry for those fans who feel they can't move on because of this unhappy state of affairs - the band don't owe them gigs, but a show of awareness and understanding (and perhaps some honesty) wouldn't belittle their legacy.


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Post by: Lyth on October 21, 2015, 14:40:37 pm
Quote from: Valen on October 21, 2015, 14:19:55 pm

It just seems a shame that Peart can't man up and put out a statement that his touring days are definitively over, instead of leaving the burden to his bandmates in the face of growing resentment from disappointed fans.


:)

That would be the right way to do things.

I think that they'd certainly have earned a lot more respect from most of the disappointed punters if they had made an official announcement - either before or after the tour.

Personally speaking, I couldn't get sufficient time off from work to go and see them in the Summer. So that was that. No complaints.

I've seen them enough times over the years to be happy with my lot and the last time I saw them was from the front row at the NEC on the CA Tour. It would seem that's going to be my last Rush concert. I can live with that.
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Post by: captainkurtz on October 21, 2015, 15:15:01 pm
Quote from: Valen on October 21, 2015, 14:19:55 pm
Oh boy, this is a toughie isn't it?

On the one hand, there are a lot of disappointed fans out there (and not without some justification), but equally there's a lot of empathy for the band given their legacy and advancing years.

It's easy to blame one person, from the outside looking in, but really we have no idea what's been going on between the guys, and you have to admire their professionalism in fielding these questions. Other bands would have been less gracious.

I spent the summer reading Peart's books, and to be honest I came away feeling that he's not a particularly likeable guy. His comments and actions often seemed selfish and surprisingly myopic for someone so well travelled; an indulgence that relies on the loyalty and hard graft of others to enable him to ride off into the sunset on a whim. I struggle a bit with his "I dislike touring because it takes me away from my family", when he then opines about how he needs his bike adventures or the retreat of his log cabin.

I also struggle a little with his current stance - if it's true , of course.

No one denies he went through hell 15 years ago, but Alex and Geddy stood by him all through that period. It seems a tad shallow of the man to now repay that loyalty and friendship by refusing just a little more of his precious time to stand by them in their willingness to play to those fans who've missed out on R40. The guys know each others' limitations and surely wouldn't him press him to commit to something unrealistic.

It just seems a shame that Peart can't man up and put out a statement that his touring days are definitively over, instead of leaving the burden to his bandmates in the face of growing resentment from disappointed fans.

Of course, it's all speculative - we'll never truly know.

For now, I've reluctantly accepted that it's done, and I'm not going to see them live again. I'm not bitter - I'm grateful they came to the UK from R30 through to the CA tour, and each time I saw them I partied like it would be the last show. But I feel truly sorry for those fans who feel they can't move on because of this unhappy state of affairs - the band don't owe them gigs, but a show of awareness and understanding (and perhaps some honesty) wouldn't belittle their legacy.

Excellent post.
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Post by: Jonners on October 21, 2015, 17:22:03 pm
Agreed. Excellent post.

I assume there will be no official statement until Ged and Alex have given up trying to persuade Neil to do one last jaunt
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Post by: zoony on October 21, 2015, 20:13:11 pm
So we wait, more in hope than expectation then.
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Post by: Matt2112 on October 21, 2015, 21:27:15 pm
Yes, very fine post and a good appraisal on all counts.

Personally, from thinking the party was maybe over at the end of the 90s up to now, I've been spoilt with Rush gigs, seeing them multiple times on the last few UK tours and even being fortunate to see them in North America 3 times (VT in New Jersey, TM in Dallas and CA in Toronto).  So if there is to be no more then, with a pang of sadness, I can accept that.

So, never mind - I'll always have my ASOH DVD, recorded at my first show... :)

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Post by: Thailand Express on October 21, 2015, 22:12:34 pm
Again, great post from Valen.  And fair play to you for spending the miserable summer of 2015 reading Neil Peart books.

Quote from: Lyth on October 21, 2015, 14:40:37 pm
I think that they'd certainly have earned a lot more respect from most of the disappointed punters if they had made an official announcement - either before or after the tour.


I'm guessing they couldn't make an announcement before because the team were all hoping to extend the tour. Probably with one exception. 
After all that had been the case with previous tours, unfortunately this time it doesn't appear to have transpired....
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Post by: Jonners on October 22, 2015, 12:12:15 pm
For me the disappointment is extremely minimal.

my love affair with Rush ended after Presto, and while I have been fortunate to attend a few  gigs since, two of which were very good, two not so good, Im finding it relatively easy to say goodbye to a band, who for me have not recorded anything half listenable for over 25 years.
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Post by: Fishy on October 22, 2015, 13:14:07 pm
I'm just hoping Lifeson will knock out another solo album...

Lee you don't need to bother mate....
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Post by: Dods on October 22, 2015, 14:22:36 pm
Quote from: Thailand Express on October 21, 2015, 22:12:34 pm
I'm guessing they couldn't make an announcement before because the team were all hoping to extend the tour. Probably with one exception. 
After all that had been the case with previous tours, unfortunately this time it doesn't appear to have transpired....


I can assure you that the management, road crew and documentary crew were all hoping for an extension but as it got closer to the end it was becoming much clearer that LA would indeed be the last...

Take that as you will
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Post by: Jonners on October 22, 2015, 15:05:00 pm
documentary crew?
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Post by: Fishy on October 22, 2015, 15:34:25 pm
have they filmed them having dinner again ?
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Post by: NeilP on October 22, 2015, 15:41:55 pm
filmed fans from the tour
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Post by: L3rxst on October 22, 2015, 15:53:13 pm
I am seriously hoping that Lifeson does not release another solo effort lol
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Post by: Fishy on October 22, 2015, 16:10:13 pm
Quote from: NeilP on October 22, 2015, 15:41:55 pm
filmed fans from the tour


no doubt so that Peart can't watch from the comfort of his lounge and mock them horribly...
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 22, 2015, 21:10:49 pm
Quote from: L3rxst on October 22, 2015, 15:53:13 pm
I am seriously hoping that Lifeson does not release another solo effort lol

Why?

Victor was the best Rush related product since Signals :)
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on October 22, 2015, 21:12:47 pm
Quote from: Jonners on October 22, 2015, 12:12:15 pm
For me the disappointment is extremely minimal.


Likewise.

They've had enough of my money and have more than enough of their own. I'd sooner go see five or six smaller bands for the price of one Rush ticket.
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Post by: Slim on October 23, 2015, 23:26:59 pm
Quote from: Fishy on October 22, 2015, 13:14:07 pm
I'm just hoping Lifeson will knock out another solo album...

Lee you don't need to bother mate....


(http://truth.justdied.com/images/fblike.jpeg)
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Post by: Commander Cody on October 24, 2015, 09:36:41 am
For me a large degree of the disappointment for me is the fact that they finally broke out the songs that I'd been hoping to hear live ever since the R30 tour (I'm too young to have seen them pre-2004).  The fact that Geddy appears to have murdered or just not bothered to sing the classics has taken the edge off the disappointment slightly though! Whilst I'm glad to have seen every show they've brought to the UK post-2004 there has always been a sense of missed opportunity after the event due to all the setlists containing a fair amount of utterly rancid material, R40 being no exception:

R30 - Covers, VT material
S&A - Most of S&A being played
Time Machine - Dial got stuck at 1989, the syrup
CA - Set 2, a more convincing syrup

Similarly, if they had have brought R40 over I'd have only moaned about set 1. Having said all that, I'm genuinely grateful that I got the opportunity to see Rush live. The likelihood seemed slim back in 1994 and non-existent after 1998.
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Post by: Jonners on October 26, 2015, 10:37:03 am
Good post. Agree almost 100%
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Post by: Fishy on November 03, 2015, 17:02:21 pm
what was the reason for their absence after the Signals tour until 1988 (HyF) we missed Presto got RtB then nothing....
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Post by: Jonners on November 03, 2015, 17:26:11 pm
Poor record sales I imagine, so management would have taken the view that would reflect in ticket sales for a big production tour, so they would lose money.

How wrong they were
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Post by: Thailand Express on November 03, 2015, 18:20:47 pm
I don't think sales were too bad for GUP and PW, both top 10 albums in the UK.

For the Grace tour they made their foreign joint across the Pacific to play in Japan and Hawaii. There was talk about them coming to the UK for Power Windows, but the tour ended up being a shorter one and stayed in North America. I think it was the start of them scaling back on touring. For years after in interviews they would say the Power Windows tour was their most enjoyable.

I think there were also frustrations in the early 80s at the limitations of arena facilities in the UK once their show had outgrown the old theatres...
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Post by: Analog RH on November 03, 2015, 20:51:36 pm
Quote from: Jonners on November 03, 2015, 17:26:11 pm
Poor record sales I imagine, so management would have taken the view that would reflect in ticket sales for a big production tour, so they would lose money.

How wrong they were


There was certainly tension between management and Atlantic Records UK, and rightly so - the latter didn't give a toss about Rush or want them on the label, so spent as little as possible promoting them, leading to poor sales.

I know some of our members would argue the diminishing sales were down to a fall in artistic output, but don't forget Rush had their highest album chart placing in the US (number 2, losing out to Pearl Jam) during the Atlantic era. Very much a case of the U.K. record company resenting what they were being given by their American paymasters.

Look at the difference Roadrunner made. They properly promoted Clockwork Angels around the world, resulting in a peak in sales and successful touring.
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Post by: Bez on November 03, 2015, 22:48:27 pm
CA is waaaaaaaaay better than the previous pile of shite they dished up.....that would have a huge impact on sales
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 03, 2015, 22:53:44 pm
Quote from: Bez on November 03, 2015, 22:48:27 pm
CA is waaaaaaaaay better than the previous pile of shite they dished up.....that would have a huge impact on sales

Bur RtB is an unmitigated pile of rancid shite and yet it sold in shiploads to Seppoes  ???
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 03, 2015, 22:56:48 pm
Quote from: Bez on November 03, 2015, 22:48:27 pm
CA is waaaaaaaaay better than the previous pile of shite they dished up.....that would have a huge impact on sales

;D

There is that, yes.
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Post by: Analog RH on November 04, 2015, 00:39:27 am
Quote from: Bez on November 03, 2015, 22:48:27 pm
CA is waaaaaaaaay better than the previous pile of shite they dished up.....that would have a huge impact on sales


I would argue that how good it is doesn't matter.
Roadrunner promoted the shit out of it. And the timing was great - Rush became cool thanks to Jack Black, Dave Grohl, the documentary etc. CA could've been another t4e and it wouldn't have mattered based on the two aforementioned factors.
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Post by: Bez on November 04, 2015, 08:34:37 am
Quote from: Analog Rockin' Hard on November 04, 2015, 00:39:27 am
I would argue that how good it is doesn't matter.
Roadrunner promoted the shit out of it. And the timing was great - Rush became cool thanks to Jack Black, Dave Grohl, the documentary etc. CA could've been another t4e and it wouldn't have mattered based on the two aforementioned factors.


It certainly helps, but you know yourself that if some one on here says " I'm listening to the latest from band xxx and its fecking great, would suit Kurtzy, Neillll & Hainers" that those guys will probably check it out, whereas if the feedback is "its shite" only you or PDW will  ::)
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Post by: pdw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:31:39 am
Quote from: Bez on November 04, 2015, 08:34:37 am
It certainly helps, but you know yourself that if some one on here says " I'm listening to the latest from band xxx and its fecking great, would suit Kurtzy, Neillll & Hainers" that those guys will probably check it out, whereas if the feedback is "its shite" only you or PDW will  ::)

Oi  >:(
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Post by: Bez on November 04, 2015, 09:32:48 am
Quote from: pdw1 on November 04, 2015, 09:31:39 am
Oi  >:(


:-*
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Post by: Matt2112 on November 04, 2015, 11:31:55 am
Quote from: Analog Rockin' Hard on November 04, 2015, 00:39:27 am
I would argue that how good it is doesn't matter.
Roadrunner promoted the shit out of it. And the timing was great - Rush became cool thanks to Jack Black, Dave Grohl, the documentary etc. CA could've been another CoS and it wouldn't have mattered based on the two aforementioned factors.


That's better.  :)
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 04, 2015, 11:51:08 am
Quote from: Bez on November 04, 2015, 08:34:37 am
It certainly helps, but you know yourself that if some one on here says " I'm listening to the latest from band xxx and its fecking great, would suit Kurtzy, Neillll & Hainers" that those guys will probably check it out, whereas if the feedback is "its shite" only you or PDW will  ::)

;D
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Post by: Analog RH on November 04, 2015, 15:51:19 pm
Quote from: Bez on November 04, 2015, 08:34:37 am
It certainly helps, but you know yourself that if some one on here says " I'm listening to the latest from band xxx and its fecking great, would suit Kurtzy, Neillll & Hainers" that those guys will probably check it out, whereas if the feedback is "its shite" only you or PDW will  ::)


;) ;D
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Post by: The Old Dog on November 05, 2015, 12:17:41 pm
Quote from: Analog Rockin' Hard on November 03, 2015, 20:51:36 pm
There was certainly tension between management and Atlantic Records UK, and rightly so - the latter didn't give a toss about Rush or want them on the label, so spent as little as possible promoting them, leading to poor sales.

I know some of our members would argue the diminishing sales were down to a fall in artistic output, but don't forget Rush had their highest album chart placing in the US (number 2, losing out to Pearl Jam) during the Atlantic era. Very much a case of the U.K. record company resenting what they were being given by their American paymasters.

Look at the difference Roadrunner made. They properly promoted Clockwork Angels around the world, resulting in a peak in sales and successful touring.


Unfortunately they were still with Mercury /Vertigo et all during the mid to late 80's it also had more to do with the venues here which were sheds and some would argue still are compared to the venues in the States . Think they signed to Atlantic in 89 on the release of presto
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Post by: Valen on November 05, 2015, 14:52:06 pm
Quote from NP in a feature he has written for the December, 2015 issue of DRUM! magazine:

"... Other than practice, practice, practice, the only unqualified advice I can give to beginning drummers is to play live, in front of people, as often as you can"

Oh....the irony....
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Post by: Jonners on November 05, 2015, 15:04:39 pm
To be fair, he does say "beginning drummers"

Pretty sure NP has his chops by now......
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Post by: zoony on November 06, 2015, 12:44:53 pm
Quote from: Jonners on November 05, 2015, 15:04:39 pm
To be fair, he does say "beginning drummers"

Pretty sure NP has his chops by now......


Whatever he does, or what people think of him, he will always be "The professor on the drum kit."
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 06, 2015, 12:47:15 pm
Fair play to him.  Must have took some cojones to hand moved to London in the early 70's when he was a young 'un.
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Post by: Thailand Express on November 06, 2015, 16:53:14 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on November 06, 2015, 12:47:15 pm
Fair play to him.  Must have took some cojones to hand moved to London in the early 70's when he was a young 'un.


I think he came over to stay with a friend or relative in London, so it wasn't a total step into the dark for him. Still a lot more than I did at that age!

Neil's time in the UK seems to have been an important part of his development as a musician and a writer. I thought it was a major omission from Beyond the Lighted Stage...
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Post by: Jonners on November 06, 2015, 17:30:39 pm
Now, there is a debate in itself.

BTLS is a fantastic film, but what got missed out, or what could you have done without?

Personally I could have done without the sycophantic praise from Jack Black and various other famous fans
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Post by: Matt2112 on November 06, 2015, 18:49:04 pm
The synth era is quickly passed over in the doc and dismissed as a period when their hair and suits were too big.  Absolute travesty.  Apart from that it's very good.

Though of course, the 80s albums deserve a doc of their own.

With me narrating it.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 06, 2015, 20:56:21 pm
Quote from: Jonners on November 06, 2015, 17:30:39 pm

BTLS is a fantastic film, but what got missed out, or what could you have done without?
Personally I could have done without the sycophantic praise from Jack Black and various other famous fans

It should have stopped after Hemispheres. Only downhill from there folks :) :(
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Post by: Thailand Express on November 06, 2015, 21:09:01 pm
I thought they could've mentioned how Geddy got his name.  An endearing story to hook the casual viewer early on.

I was surprised the Miles / NME controversy didn't feature, but that was maybe a more UK centric issue, and going by that part of the film they weren't wanting for criticism in North America!
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Post by: zoony on November 07, 2015, 16:49:56 pm
Quote from: Thailand Express on November 06, 2015, 21:09:01 pm
I thought they could've mentioned how Geddy got his name.  An endearing story to hook the casual viewer early on.

I was surprised the Miles / NME controversy didn't feature, but that was maybe a more UK centric issue, and going by that part of the film they weren't wanting for criticism in North America!


How did Geddy get his name then mate?
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 07, 2015, 17:22:10 pm
Hi Grandmother's accent made his name sound like 'Geddy' when she was calling him by his real name Gary.

Pfft.  Call yourself a fan....?
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Post by: Thailand Express on November 07, 2015, 17:54:05 pm
I always thought it was his mum's pronunciation.
But yeah that's the story. His dad was a big fan of Westerns and named him after Gary Cooper. Not sure who inspired Lee as a middle name though...
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 07, 2015, 20:32:46 pm
Though it was his mother, ay?  Call yourself a fan, ay?  Pfft.


;D :P
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Post by: DavidL on November 07, 2015, 21:21:33 pm
Quote from: Thailand Express on November 07, 2015, 17:54:05 pm
I always thought it was his mum's pronunciation.
But yeah that's the story. His dad was a big fan of Westerns and named him after Gary Cooper. Not sure who inspired Lee as a middle name though...
Lee Van Cleef?
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Post by: Thailand Express on November 08, 2015, 11:32:00 am
Quote from: DavidL on November 07, 2015, 21:21:33 pm
Lee Van Cleef?


I'd thought maybe him, or Lee Marvin.  But both their movie careers were just starting off when Geddy was born.  Van Cleef was in High Noon with Gary Cooper though.


This thread has taken a bizarre turn!
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Post by: NeilP on November 08, 2015, 15:22:06 pm
Lee Marvin in the Wild One with Brando, 1953
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Post by: zoony on November 08, 2015, 16:38:15 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on November 07, 2015, 17:22:10 pm
Hi Grandmother's accent made his name sound like 'Geddy' when she was calling him by his real name Gary.

Pfft.  Call yourself a fan....?


Thanks for that Hass.
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Post by: Slim on November 10, 2015, 00:14:46 am
Quote from: Bez on November 03, 2015, 22:48:27 pm
CA is waaaaaaaaay better than the previous pile of shite they dished up.....that would have a huge impact on sales


Yes, I was thinking the same thing. That and the Classic Rock magazine treatment.
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Post by: Valen on November 10, 2015, 09:15:38 am
Quote from: captainkurtz on November 07, 2015, 20:32:46 pm
Though it was his mother, ay?  Call yourself a fan, ay?  Pfft.


;D :P


I didn't know that either......

....better go and look for the naughty step for the day.
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Post by: Nick on November 10, 2015, 19:37:50 pm
Another portent of doom, looks like Ray Danniels has sold off Anthem.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/record-labels/6760584/publishing-briefs-ole-acquires-anthem-entertainment-group
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Post by: Thailand Express on November 10, 2015, 21:50:08 pm
Quote from: Nick on November 10, 2015, 19:37:50 pm
Another portent of doom, looks like Ray Danniels has sold off Anthem.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/record-labels/6760584/publishing-briefs-ole-acquires-anthem-entertainment-group


Kind of follows on from this thread earlier in the year...

http://www.t-n-m-s.com/index.php?topic=35671.0

Safe to say Ray will have seen himself and the band alright out of this.
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Post by: Fishy on November 10, 2015, 21:54:12 pm
Ole .??  Wtf
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Post by: pdw1 on November 10, 2015, 22:24:06 pm
Selling the family silver
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 10, 2015, 22:48:18 pm
Quote from: Nick on November 10, 2015, 19:37:50 pm
Another portent of doom, looks like Ray Danniels has sold off Anthem.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/record-labels/6760584/publishing-briefs-ole-acquires-anthem-entertainment-group

He'd already sold them the Core Music publishing rights.

http://www.billboard.com/biz/articles/news/publishing/6099385/ole-acquires-rush-catalog
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Post by: L3rxst on November 11, 2015, 15:39:30 pm
Looks like standard business disposal stuff to me. Appears they are all pretty much retired from formal business activities, and will crop up now when it suits or interests them on a celebrity/guest basis.

I doubt if Ray Daniels would have made such a move had the band looked more solid and together for another few years. And I doubt that al of this has just happened; and suspect that it has been a long term plan.

Good luck to them, they are ready to retire. They have given us musical wealth beyond comparison, whichever era is your favorite.

Ermm, except for Victor lol
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Post by: Jonners on November 11, 2015, 17:25:43 pm
last 25 years (how many bands can you say that about!) has been pretty poor, pretty sure that era (or should it be epoch?) stands up to plenty of comparison
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Post by: Matt2112 on November 11, 2015, 18:13:06 pm
Old Rush: good
New Rush: better
Nu-Rush: okay
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Post by: Exiled Yorkie on November 14, 2015, 06:11:41 am
They are done. Geddy said so at the Sirius radio show in NYC
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 14, 2015, 09:34:05 am
Completely done?  As in no more records, they're not going to be writing together again, etc?

Not touring is very vague - and is very different from not playing live again.
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Post by: Exiled Yorkie on November 15, 2015, 00:14:20 am
He said no touring implying as Rush. Geddy still wants to play and implied he and Alex would do something together either live or studio.  Neil and family time was implied strongly for the end of touring. Alex said his health was fine.
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 15, 2015, 00:29:18 am
Again - no touring is different from no more playing live.

I doubt we've seen the end of rush as a live entity, although we've probably seen the last of them in Europe...
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Post by: Thailand Express on November 16, 2015, 10:58:45 am
Alex in the latest Prog magazine...

"I think it's pretty obvious that Neil doesn't want to tour any more and that's fine and I understand. He's got some really good reasons: it's painful, it's hard, it's not joyful for him, it's difficult and it hurts his body and it hurts his brain and I totally get it. I'm fine with that.

I just wish we'd been able to do another 20 shows or so and it's too bad that we're going to miss the UK particularly. It just feels a little shy of a true finish, a complete resolution."


https://www.teamrock.com/features/2015-11-13/the-prog-interview-alex-lifeson
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Post by: zoony on November 16, 2015, 14:15:59 pm
Quote from: Exiled Yorkie on November 15, 2015, 00:14:20 am
He said no touring implying as Rush. Geddy still wants to play and implied he and Alex would do something together either live or studio.  Neil and family time was implied strongly for the end of touring. Alex said his health was fine.


It's all 3 or nothing for me.
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Post by: zoony on November 16, 2015, 14:18:11 pm
Quote from: Thailand Express on November 16, 2015, 10:58:45 am
Alex in the latest Prog magazine...

"I think it's pretty obvious that Neil doesn't want to tour any more and that's fine and I understand. He's got some really good reasons: it's painful, it's hard, it's not joyful for him, it's difficult and it hurts his body and it hurts his brain and I totally get it. I'm fine with that.

I just wish we'd been able to do another 20 shows or so and it's too bad that we're going to miss the UK particularly. It just feels a little shy of a true finish, a complete resolution."


https://www.teamrock.com/features/2015-11-13/the-prog-interview-alex-lifeson


Too late now, this should have been said before they started on the last US shows then. Yes, we all understand his reasons, but it could have been handled better than this.
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Post by: Fishy on November 16, 2015, 14:28:20 pm
Good news then

Your Victor album was well-received. If Rush doesn't pan out, can we expect more solo work?

Sure - I write stuff all the time. I have a whole library of bits and pieces and complete songs that I've written at home and in the studio. I think if it looks unlikely that we're going to do much in the near future then I will definitely get into something like that next spring. What sort of project it turns out to be I'm not quite sure, but it will be a musical project. I can't sit around and I just love doing it so much.
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Post by: karl on November 16, 2015, 18:36:47 pm
Time for a jazz odyssey album with a drummer that can swing  ;)
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Post by: NeilP on November 16, 2015, 19:58:43 pm
Gavin Harrison then
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Bez on November 16, 2015, 22:28:59 pm
Quote from: NeilP on November 16, 2015, 19:58:43 pm
Gavin Harrison then


Good grief, no....
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Post by: karl on November 17, 2015, 08:58:56 am
Stewart Copeland
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Post by: mc on November 17, 2015, 09:17:57 am
Planet Rock have said Geddy will be coming in for an interview in a couple of weeks.  Its time the question needs to be asked as why no honest goodbye to the loyal (very) Euro fan base. A couple of R40 shows at the O2 or MEN would have done.  Did they want to leave such a bad taste in the mouth
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Post by: Fishy on November 17, 2015, 12:57:03 pm
Bill Bruford or Simon Phillips
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Post by: L3rxst on November 17, 2015, 14:26:34 pm
Good call on Stewart Copeland. More than capable.
Bad call on the Victor. Less than listenable lol.
Title: Re: All EU fans please read ...
Post by: Thailand Express on November 17, 2015, 14:30:51 pm
A few of these guys are Neil Peart's pals. Would they really offer their services to replace him?...
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Post by: L3rxst on November 17, 2015, 14:34:30 pm
I guess that's another great reason for a formal statement.
Rush continuing, or not? Peart in or out?
If he is that against continuing then maybe its time to move out of the way?
Rush has always been truly progressive and maybe this is the next stage........ sounds good to me.
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 17, 2015, 15:01:20 pm
I think the honest answer is that they just don't know.

I'm sure A & G are hoping that NP reconsiders - and given a bit of time, it wouldn't surprise me if he agreed.
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Post by: DavidL on November 17, 2015, 15:07:37 pm
Quote from: L3rxst on November 17, 2015, 14:26:34 pm
Good call on Stewart Copeland. More than capable.
Not too much practice required to play DEW methinks  ;)
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 17, 2015, 15:48:51 pm
From Billboard:

.. "I don't think it is the end, and we never really said this is definitively our last tour. I think it's likely to be our last major tour, but we're still in contact, very close contact with each other, all three of us, and I don't think it's certainly the end of the band. There are still lots of things we want to do. It's not to say that we wouldn't do something in the future on a smaller scale, and there's always the fun project of making a record, which we've all loved forever. Right now I think we're just kind of relaxing and taking it in and getting reconnected with our families and friends and more of a domestic life, and then we'll kinda sort of review it, I think, in the new year and see what we want to do." ...

.. "I'm getting very itchy," Lifeson says. "There's nothing specific we're looking at, but I think ultimately I'd like to get back in with Ged and start writing and then have Neil join in and take it from there. That's how we always start: [Lee] and I jamming, and we'll do that for a little while, and then Neil will start sending lyrics and we'll kind of piece it together with what we're doing. So I'm hoping that's somewhere in the near future." ...

::)

Does this sound like they're done, then?
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Post by: zoony on November 17, 2015, 16:38:48 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on November 17, 2015, 15:01:20 pm
I think the honest answer is that they just don't know.

I'm sure A & G are hoping that NP reconsiders - and given a bit of time, it wouldn't surprise me if he agreed.


Same here mate. I can't understand why people on here are speculating about a "replacement" drummer, as that will never happen. They've always said it's the 3 of them or nothing. I'm comfortable with that, as I wouldn't want it getting silly as it has done with other bands regarding line up changes. No disrespect to John Rutsey, but RUSH is Lee, Lifeson and Peart.
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Post by: Jonners on November 17, 2015, 17:30:49 pm
Some real clutching at straws going on, from fans and band members alike!
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Post by: L3rxst on November 17, 2015, 17:58:19 pm
Yep.
At this rate, if they do make it to the UK ever the £200 a go tickets will be snapped up with all the controversy/speculation (marketing) lol.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 17, 2015, 21:20:09 pm
Quote from: mc on November 17, 2015, 09:17:57 am
Planet Rock have said Geddy will be coming in for an interview in a couple of weeks.  Its time the question needs to be asked as why no honest goodbye to the loyal (very) Euro fan base. A couple of R40 shows at the O2 or MEN would have done.  Did they want to leave such a bad taste in the mouth

Why does it leave a bad taste in the mouth?
Rush have loyal fans in Australia, they've never even played Australia.
Rush are a part of the music BUSINESS, they follow the money. They started ignoring the UK and Yurp once the big bucks started to flow in the US.

However if they wanted to tour with a stunt drummer, it'd be no skin off my nose, I'd be there. They've changed drummers before, heck a rhythm guitarist, keyboard player and singer could join them too :)
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Post by: Valen on November 18, 2015, 09:54:25 am
They've kinda got themselves in a bit of a guddle with this.

I guess they didn't want to burn bridges by announcing a final tour - let's face it, a lot of acts have gone down that route and then carried on (Judas Priest anyone?) - but I do think they need to get a handle on this issue with Neil, and if it's a no then it's a fully publicised categorical no. "Bad taste in the mouth" is a bit selfish - they never promised the UK (or anywhere else) another tour, and we should have tempered our expectations accordingly.

And it's not just UK/Euro/Aussie fans that are disappointed - what about those stateside who decided they couldn't afford the travel or had other commitments etc and opted to pass on these dates, assuming the band would swing round closer to their own turf during a second leg of dates? Sure, they made a wrong assumption, but their disappointment is no less than ours.

The problem is, more will never be enough. What if they play Europe and decide only to do one date in the UK as part of a shortened tour? Or what if they play the UK but it's a three nighter in London - that's not gonna please fans living elsewhere in the UK. Or if they only come as far north as Newcastle, and then we moan about no Scottish dates etc etc.

During the 80s/90s I used to wonder how the band could snub the UK, given how well we supported them during the late 70s tours - but I was being myopic and parochial, and gradually realised that hey, they were popular elsewhere too! By the time of R30, I was just grateful that they decided to come back, and keep coming back.

But it's got to be the three of them together - the reason I have so much respect for them is that they're managed to 'stick it out' together all this time.

Right, I'm off to buy in the hot dogs and beer for the Rush Appreciation Society (East Linton Chapter) gathering this weekend to watch the bluray.
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Post by: DavidL on November 18, 2015, 12:28:56 pm
Extremely sensible post, Mr Valen
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Post by: Dods on November 18, 2015, 19:18:36 pm
Quote from: Valen on November 18, 2015, 09:54:25 am
They've kinda got themselves in a bit of a guddle with this.


During the 80s/90s I used to wonder how the band could snub the UK, given how well we supported them during the late 70s tours - but I was being myopic and parochial, and gradually realised that hey, they were popular elsewhere too!


Was confirmed at the R40 preview what I was told by connections to the band. UK promoters said no-one liked them here. They sacked sais people and boom, you after tour....until R40
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 18, 2015, 19:26:16 pm
They couldn't be arsed. I don't believe promoters would be that stupid.  They were rumoured to be headlining Donington almost every year in the 80's.  Sounds like the band is passing the buck and the blame.
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Post by: Dods on November 18, 2015, 19:29:57 pm
Can't argue the Donnington rumours but they  did not do/like festivals. Fek they were rumoured for Pittodrie fcol!
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 18, 2015, 19:56:07 pm
What I meant was, promoters will have known they were wanted for Donington and consequently that they had an audience significant to warrant a tour.

Maybe more to do with lack of suitable arena venues?

Dunno.  I was too young to have gone then anyway, so pleased they had a late flourish of tours...
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Post by: Exiled Yorkie on November 18, 2015, 23:52:10 pm
They are done as a touring entity. Maybe Michael Moore is in the band and yes I will cut him out of my picture.


https://www.flickr.com/photos/sxmpromo/22647211938/in/album-72157660507610748/

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Post by: Fishy on November 19, 2015, 13:16:02 pm
Geddy not even attempting to get his arm round him...
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Post by: Jonners on November 19, 2015, 13:24:07 pm
Not even sure Mr Tickle could get his arms round him!
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Post by: Thailand Express on November 19, 2015, 15:12:36 pm
Don't mind Michael Moore myself. I admit I've never been photographed with, or even met him.
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Post by: Slim on November 20, 2015, 18:23:08 pm
Quote from: mc on November 17, 2015, 09:17:57 am
Planet Rock have said Geddy will be coming in for an interview in a couple of weeks.  Its time the question needs to be asked as why no honest goodbye to the loyal (very) Euro fan base. A couple of R40 shows at the O2 or MEN would have done.  Did they want to leave such a bad taste in the mouth


But this question has already been answered .. I would like them to have come over as well but to expect it as though they owe it to the UK fans seems ungracious IMO.
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 20, 2015, 18:28:05 pm
Agreed.  I don't get the whole 'they owe us' argument.  They owe us the square root of feck all.
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Post by: zoony on November 20, 2015, 19:18:12 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on November 20, 2015, 18:28:05 pm
Agreed.  I don't get the whole 'they owe us' argument.  They owe us the square root of feck all.


Technically you're right Has. It's just principle and common courtesy that have been forgotten about mate.
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on November 20, 2015, 21:03:10 pm
Quote from: zoony on November 20, 2015, 19:18:12 pm
Technically you're right Has. It's just principle and common courtesy that have been forgotten about mate.

What principle and common courtesy?
It's their job.
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Post by: captainkurtz on November 21, 2015, 09:56:29 am
I don't think principle and common courtesy extends to crossing the water to visit us.

Commons courtesy means not mouthing the words 'oh, for feck sake' when you're on a ferry and you walk into a restaurant on there and someone is playing YYZ with the cutlery...
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Post by: Red Star on December 06, 2015, 12:59:20 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on November 20, 2015, 18:28:05 pm
Agreed.  I don't get the whole 'they owe us' argument.  They owe us the square root of feck all.


I disagree, they owe plenty to the loyal fans who made them multi millionaires.
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Post by: zoony on December 06, 2015, 15:38:14 pm
Quote from: Red Star on December 06, 2015, 12:59:20 pm
I disagree, they owe plenty to the loyal fans who made them multi millionaires.


I agree mate.
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Post by: captainkurtz on December 06, 2015, 16:59:23 pm
They offered a product, which we willingly bought and they consequently became rich.  Thats it.
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Post by: The Old Dog on December 06, 2015, 20:29:23 pm
http://news.cygnus-x1.net/2015/12/neil-peart-talks-retirement-in-new.html
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Post by: DavidL on December 06, 2015, 20:48:24 pm
Quote from: captainkurtz on December 06, 2015, 16:59:23 pm
They offered a product, which we willingly bought and they consequently became rich.  Thats it.
I second that. I doubt that any of us fans continued to buy albums or attend shows just to be loyal. We may have had a greater appreciation for their 'legacy product' but to suggest that there was no value in their current product and we felt some requirement to continue to 'consume' out of loyalty just seems inaccurate (especially pertinent to live shows).
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Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on December 06, 2015, 21:14:36 pm
Quote from: DavidL on December 06, 2015, 20:48:24 pm
I second that. I doubt that any of us fans continued to buy albums or attend shows just to be loyal. We may have had a greater appreciation for their 'legacy product' but to suggest that there was no value in their current product and we felt some requirement to continue to 'consume' out of loyalty just seems inaccurate (especially pertinent to live shows).

I third it.
Bands don't have to tour. Bands don't have to record.
Ultimately a musician/artist/band is/are making music for themselves. If they happen to make a living from it by selling music/live recordings to the general public then well done them. There is nothing anywhere that says they have to record/tour for us. What happens happens. If they - hi Neal - think they have enough dosh piled up to live on then so be it.
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Post by: Slim on December 06, 2015, 21:56:16 pm
Anyway Peart is now describing himself as a "retired drummer" . From an interview in Drumhead magazine:

"Lately Olivia has been introducing me to new friends at school as "My dad--He's a retired drummer." True to say--funny to hear.

"And it does not pain me to realize that, like all athletes, there comes a time to... take yourself out of the game. I would rather set it aside then face the predicament described in our song "losing it" ("Sadder still to watch it die, than never to have known it")"

According to http://news.cygnus-x1.net/2015/12/neil-peart-talks-retirement-in-new.html
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Post by: L3rxst on December 07, 2015, 14:06:16 pm
Fourthed, but......... I do think that if they know it's all over that they should let us know. Problem is, I think that they don't know because there are such opposing views in the band.
Neil has stopped, Alex is focusing on ridiculously expensive tribute guitar and amplifier marketing and Geddy wants to relive his youth.... what are ya gonna do with that??
Ray Daniels selling up pretty much nails this for me.
Bet we see another album or two yet tho'
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Post by: Slim on December 07, 2015, 19:35:09 pm
I bet we do see something, old rockers never ever seem to give up. If it's an album though I wouldn't have high hopes for it, I can't see a lot of inspiration or energy going into it.
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Post by: BasspedalMan on December 08, 2015, 14:38:45 pm
Me too.....
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Post by: Matt2112 on December 09, 2015, 00:50:41 am
I've had a brilliant idea: a kind of R40 but full symphonic versions, sort of like Kiss, Yes and Metallica have done.  Ged and Al can do what they usually do, but NP - or any drummer - doesn't have to play the drums.  Instead, the LSO (or similar) can be brought in, including the players from the CA ensemble, and Ben Mink, plus a full choir and all that, and NP can expend the minimum of effort, still wave a stick or two around and lessen the risk of aggravating injuries by a factor of 1000 by conducting.

The only cavaet would be that there would be an absolute non-negotiable minimum of five PoW songs.  And The Analog Kid.

Genius or what!  Eh?  Eh??  You're welcome. 8)
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Post by: DavidL on December 09, 2015, 08:15:15 am
Quote from: Matt2112 on December 09, 2015, 00:50:41 am
I've had a brilliant idea: a kind of R40 but full symphonic versions, sort of like Kiss, Yes and Metallica have done.  Ged and Al can do what they usually do, but NP - or any drummer - doesn't have to play the drums.  Instead, the LSO (or similar) can be brought in, including the players from the CA ensemble, and Ben Mink, plus a full choir and all that, and NP can expend the minimum of effort, still wave a stick or two around and lessen the risk of aggravating injuries by a factor of 1000 by conducting.

The only cavaet would be that there would be an absolute non-negotiable minimum of five PoW songs.  And The Analog Kid.

Genius or what!  Eh?  Eh??  You're welcome. 8)
Or a tour featuring polka versions of Rush tracks with Neil on accordian - as in the Time Machine vid. That would be going waaaaaaay back to their roots (Geddy's , at least)!
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Post by: döm on December 09, 2015, 10:49:40 am
should get this guy in - it would make a change to have someone behind the drums with a smile on his face  ;D

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dspkh4D0DqE
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Post by: Thailand Express on December 17, 2015, 01:45:12 am
Geddy asked specifically here if they will ever return to the UK. He's non-committal as you'd expect, but his glass seems to still be half full...

http://www.musicradar.com/news/guitars/rushs-geddy-lee-talks-r40-live-and-future-prospects-our-touring-life-might-be-over-632265
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Post by: Fishy on December 17, 2015, 10:03:05 am
With the prospect of more downtime on his hands, how likely is it we'll be seeing a follow-up to My Favourite Headache - Geddy Lee's debut solo release at the turn of the millennium - any time soon?

"Yeah, sure, that could happen," he nods. "But I have nothing written yet.


That is good news !
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Post by: Valen on December 21, 2015, 14:07:30 pm
Ged on Planet Rock interview:

"The future of our touring life is seriously in doubt".
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Post by: Valen on December 21, 2015, 14:08:08 pm
Ged on Planet rock interview:

"The future of our touring life is seriously in doubt".
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Post by: captainkurtz on December 21, 2015, 14:48:42 pm
So, its not definitely in doubt, then.  ::)
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Post by: Fishy on December 21, 2015, 15:16:33 pm
Did Ged say it twice just to emphasise the point then  ?