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Title: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Neil_W on January 15, 2004, 19:11:42 pm
Apologies if you've already done this one, but I was interested to get opinion. As for my thoughts? My Favorite Headache is 'Test For Echo II' (which doesnt say a lot),  whilst if Alex had released 'Victor II' it would probably have sounded like Vapor Trails ... a magnificent album that thankfully erases the memory of its predecssor and what I consider to be the only blip on Rush's illustrious career.
I guess this summing up also covers TFE vs VT.
Over to you ...
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: The Letter R on January 15, 2004, 19:37:21 pm
Funnily enough I was talking to a mate about this the other week - I reckoned that the Board would be more in favour of MFH however my vote would go to Alex's Victor as it is more diverse - has tons of energy and was not what I was expecting - first time I heard it I thought "Sh!t Alex must have been a frustrated guitarist on the last few albums" as this album really shreads!! Not taking anything away from Geddy's solo effort but is and always will be a bit too near the Rush sound of that era which cannot really be helped in many ways as he brings 2 sounds to the table - Bass and Vocals - would have perhaps like to have seen him use other vocalists as Alex did to add a different dimension.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Sean on January 15, 2004, 19:37:56 pm
Victor is a very hard album to listen to, for me personally at least.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Analog RH on January 15, 2004, 19:40:03 pm
Victor every time. MFH is lukewarm and generally uninspired, Victor bristles with energy and contains one of Alex's very best guitar moments in the opening bars of I Am The Spirit.

Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Oor Wullie on January 15, 2004, 19:45:17 pm
I really like both albums but prefer MFH to Victor.  It is more listener friendly.  But Alex's guitar on Victor is big and beefy.

I love it.

When did you change your name Andy??
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Chris Quartly on January 15, 2004, 20:01:18 pm
I'd probably go for MFH over Victor, just. Probably mainly because I love Ged's vocals and I think MFH is more of an album whereas Victor is a bit of a disjointed collections of songs albeit very strong ones. And to hear Ged's voice on new material had a strong impact on me.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Dave Brenchley on January 15, 2004, 20:19:06 pm
MFH for me. I recognise that Victor is inherently a more 'interesting' album, but for me it's a little too hard on the ears. I don't think Victor works that well as a whole album either, it's just a little too dis-jointed.

MFH on the other hand drifts by in a very pleasant fashion  (meant as a compliment ;D). I like it a lot. There is nothing on it which is cringe-inducingly bad, unlike say CP and Tfe, and a number of the songs are very good indeed.

Also I have played MFH a hell of a lot more than Victor which I guess is indication enough.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Slim on January 15, 2004, 20:28:00 pm
QuoteApologies if you've already done this one, but I was interested to get opinion. As for my thoughts? My Favorite Headache is 'Test For Echo II' (which doesnt say a lot),  whilst if Alex had released 'Victor II' it would probably have sounded like Vapor Trails ... a magnificent album that thankfully erases the memory of its predecssor and what I consider to be the only blip on Rush's illustrious career.

Well, although my point of view on T4E is very different from yours (I consider it to be the best thing the band has done since Presto and a dramatic improvement on its two predecessors in particular) I'm broadly in agreement with you with respect to Victor and My Favourite Headache.

I find My Favourite Headache to be bereft of inspiration; apart from one or two nice chord changes (literally two I think) it's just the inoffensive sound of people playing pointless songs with a bloke singing dull lyrics over them.  Sorry, but it really is a clunker.  Crap, frankly.

Victor however is extremely sharp, a great record, inspirational and inspired.  There's so much spirit and imagination; the songs are mostly very strong and the production and arrangements are more imaginative and accomplished than I've heard on any Rush record since Presto by MILES.  I would love to see some of the craft and imagination that went into this album going into a Rush album.


Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Reg on January 15, 2004, 20:42:18 pm
QuoteI would love to see some of the craft and imagination that went into this album going into a Rush album.
What he said.

Victor was a jolt in the arm after Counterparts and Test For Echo.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Ron on January 15, 2004, 21:16:35 pm
Victor has been on the playlist occasionally, and MFH is collecting dust at the moment, so that gives you an idea what my favourite is.
As said before by a couple of people, I think Victor is much rawer, innovative and inspired. I love the dark mood on quite a few songs on this.
MFH has very few highlights, I'm afraid. The opening bass is promising and I like the song where the 'other' drummer is playing.
For the rest, it just meanders on and on.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: stereoroid on January 15, 2004, 21:21:48 pm
As a bassist, I'm naturally biased towards MFH, and there are some really great songs on there (fav: Runaway Train). Victor has a lot going for it, though some of the execution didn't match the ideas. I would have hoped a collaboration between LaLerxst and Les Claypool would have amounted to much more than "The Big Dance"...
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Neil_W on January 15, 2004, 22:07:42 pm
Well it seems 50/50 at the moment ... I wish I had set up a poll now! Just to clarify my gripe with MFH, the songs seem to start as if they are going somewhere; full of energy and creativity and just when you reach the point of climax ... it all goes limp. Its as if Geddy didnt have the conviction to see it through to the end and instead bottled out for a safe 'feel good' song. No no no! Alex however had the courage to try something different on every song and it damn well worked! Good on ya Alex!
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: uxter on January 15, 2004, 23:05:26 pm
I am a victor man, no mistake, I put it up there with Steve Hacketts Please dont Touch as a wonderfully inventive broody musical landscape full of interest. MFH whilst better than TfE (imho) is just dissapointing, too safe and my listening had moved on from Counterparts where this album seems to sit musically, do I remember the timeline correctly, didnt Victor come out before TfE? I was sure it had which makes TfE even harder to accept in my mind
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Slim on January 15, 2004, 23:51:19 pm
A lot of comments on My Favourite Headache make an interesting point - it sounds a lot like '90s Rush, and I'd agree, at least in terms of general style.  What was the point, then?  He really should have tried something a bit different.  Back in the late '70s and early '80s Geddy occasionally remarked that he had ideas that wouldn't fit on a Rush album which might crop up on a solo record sometime (although one of these ideas, the Visage-esque electronic backing for The Weapon DID turn up on a Rush record of course).  He was even talking about doing disco music for a while.

But his solo work, when it finally appeared, really wasn't a departure of any kind: no new ideas, there's nothing experimental, daring or even different about it whatever.  It's really just '90s Rush without Peart's lyrics and Lifeson's guitar, and that's bad Rush.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Nephronic on January 16, 2004, 02:06:49 am
Quote
But his solo work, when it finally appeared, really wasn't a departure of any kind: no new ideas, there's nothing experimental, daring or even different about it whatever.
That is very, very true. However, I quite like it's relative blandness, it's easy listening Rush. I sometimes wonder how it would have turned out if he'd made it without Ben Mink. Victor and MFH both indicated what Alex and Geddy brought to the Rush table as far as songwriting is concerned. Sounds like Alex's 'experiments' are reined in by Geddy.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Thailand Express on January 16, 2004, 02:38:01 am
I remember Neil Peart saying Rush was an example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts - and these two records offer substantial proof. I would make Victor v MFH a low scoring draw, there are pros and cons with each release:-
MFH - Nice example of Geddy's melodic gifts. A few corking tunes (esp. Runaway Train and Grace to Grace). The return of the Gedster's voice, sounding stronger than ever. Some nice string arrangements. However the album seems a bit one paced. There's not a great deal to keep you interested for long. Lyrically it's not classic although some of the ideas touchingly refer to Neil's plight.

Victor - Very adventurous departure from Rush by Alex. Keeping the flashy trappings of solo guitarist's albums to a minimum. Astonishingly heavy in places. A couple of beauty instrumentals. However the album lacks any great hooks, features some dreadful lyrics and even worse vocals.

Neither currently feature in my CD player.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Nephronic on January 16, 2004, 02:46:17 am
QuoteI remember Neil Peart saying Rush was an example of the whole being greater than the some of the parts - and these two records offer substantial proof. I would make Victor v MFH a low scoring draw, there are pros and cons with each release:-
MFH - Nice example of Geddy's melodic gifts. A few corking tunes (esp. Runaway Train and Grace to Grace). The return of the Gedster's voice, sounding stronger than ever. Some nice string arrangements. However the album seems a bit one paced. There's not a great deal to keep you interested for long. Lyrically it's not classic although some of the ideas touchingly refer to Neil's plight.

Victor - Very adventurous departure from Rush by Alex. Keeping the flashy trappings of solo guitarist's albums to a minimum. Astonishingly heavy in places. A couple of beauty instrumentals. However the album lacks any great hooks, features some dreadful lyrics and even worse vocals.

Neither currently feature in my CD player.
Beautifuly summed up there Thailand.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Eric B on January 16, 2004, 05:56:41 am
QuoteI remember Neil Peart saying Rush was an example of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts - and these two records offer substantial proof. I would make Victor v MFH a low scoring draw, there are pros and cons with each release:-
MFH - Nice example of Geddy's melodic gifts. A few corking tunes (esp. Runaway Train and Grace to Grace). The return of the Gedster's voice, sounding stronger than ever. Some nice string arrangements. However the album seems a bit one paced. There's not a great deal to keep you interested for long. Lyrically it's not classic although some of the ideas touchingly refer to Neil's plight.

Victor - Very adventurous departure from Rush by Alex. Keeping the flashy trappings of solo guitarist's albums to a minimum. Astonishingly heavy in places. A couple of beauty instrumentals. However the album lacks any great hooks, features some dreadful lyrics and even worse vocals.

Neither currently feature in my CD player.

I'll second a lot of that as well.

Victor:
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Ashley on January 17, 2004, 03:29:52 am
Very interesting discussion chaps.

I choose Victor over MFH every time because of the reasons that have already been given.

It sounds alive and full of vitality from the first chord bursting from the speakers. Some absolutely sublime guitar work and as Slim has said some excellent production too.

Now I also do quite like MFH, yes it is softer, and yes the songs are more easy listening, but it is well crafted, and well produced and I reckon Geddy has some pretty good songs and melodies in there.

Interestingly enough, I play these records at very different times. MFH is the sort of thing I would listen too whilst in the bath, and have done so quite often, whereas Victor is SOR type of music, it really gets you going & in a great mood.

Work in progress on the other hand.....
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: maria on January 17, 2004, 13:50:17 pm
for me it would be Victor.
much more original, a real departure from rush. MFH is just too much like Rush and that's not just because the voice is the same.
although the lyrics are close to the knuckle sometimes the music is great, experimental and a real mix of sounds.
i listen to Victor quite a bit.
MFH has some excellent songs but, doesn't quite do it for me.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Sary on January 17, 2004, 22:56:49 pm
I added MFH into my collection about two months ago, after having bought six Rush albums, 2112 being the oldest and Signals the newest in the back catalogue.

Not having heard Geddy's voice the way it sounds today, it was interesting to have a listen to such a recent album. I thought his voice would be even more different from, say, the stuff he sings on Signals, but it still sounds unbelievably young!  :o I'm sure I would never have guessed it was a middle-aged man singing on it if I hadn't known it beforehand.

Anyway, I do like MFH, a lot. It's one of those records I put in and let it run through for at least a couple of times before changing to something else. Working At Perfekt is a brilliant track!

I don't have Victor, yet. It would be interesting to hear Alex's solo effort, as well, though. I'll see if I can find it someday in the cd-racks...

Funny that some of you think his music is too weird or something -after all, isn't that the reason you got into Rush?? lol Well, I suppose there are two kinds of weirdnesses... The right and the wrong kind.  ;)
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Analog RH on January 18, 2004, 08:07:31 am
Quotefor me it would be Victor.
much more original, a real departure from rush. MFH is just too much like Rush and that's not just because the voice is the same.

Spot on, maria.

The only thing on Victor which is Rush-sounding is Promise, the weakest song on the album. A Rush-by-numbers track it sound like a t4e reject.

Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: maria on January 18, 2004, 15:47:54 pm
i try not to analysis things too deeply, it sometimes spoils or takes the edge of th ethings you like...but...

after i wrote that i did wonder that if MFH sounds so much like rush that's there's no real distinction and if Victor sounds so much more original and individualistic, it makes you wonder just how much of a partnership the Lee/Lifeson writing team is.
Title: Re: My Favorite Headache vs Victor
Post by: Phil on January 18, 2004, 21:32:00 pm
Victor, without a shadow of a doubt