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Title: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: 1111 on May 24, 2008, 11:24:09 am
Hi There,

My name is Josephine and I joined this site earlier this week, but let me make a confession immediately, I am not a Rush fan, I bloody hate them, but I'm married to someone who is, and was until very recently a member of this website.

His name is Graham, known as Gman, and he left this site for good after posting a message in the football section commenting on the sad demise of one of his boyhood heroes.

He left because he was totally sick of the attitude and actions of certain individuals on this website.

These people have been members for many years before he joined, but he had become dismayed at what he perceived as the constant negativity, the back biting, the perennial quest for the pedantic, and just the whole site changing for the worst, over what has been, ironically the busiest period for years of the band he loves.......and the reason apparently that this website exists.

And it's strange because until he joined Graham was completely unaware that such a network existed, and on finding it, completely re-energized his love of the band, and reminded him of all the reasons why he got into them in the first place.

And being a Rush fan was the only and sole motivation for joining the site, it was not to make friends and form a social club, although that came as a bonus, because he spoke many times about the nice people he met, particularly at the Solid Rock, but the truth is that was never a motivation for him.

And you may say, so what....well I decided to join to see for myself, and I've been reading many of the threads and comments and as someone coming fresh to this, I have to say what a bunch of petty, spineless feckers exist on this site.
Oh, I know I'm only talking of certain individuals, but some of the comments are incredibly nasty, personal and vitrolic....for no good reason other than just to wind people up....I mean what is the point of a thread "Rush Suck" :-?

Graham indicated to me and I agree with him that there are now only 2 types of people on this site. There are those who still get pleasure from Rush.....and then there are those who don't.

Now that would be okay, but it seems quite clear that the mission in life of the 2nd group is to post about this and destroy the views of the first group. If you get no pleasure from Rush, and you think the band aren't as good as before....then feck OFF, and bore someone else with the details.

Because, unfortunately these opinions are fixed and won't change, but all that happens is constant grinding down of people who still like the band and enjoy the music....and people are leaving this site in droves.

That's why I have posted this, I won't ever post again and Graham who knows that I'm writing this, will access this site as a guest from now on.

BTW, my Husband doesn't need his Wife to write him a letter, but I know how much pleasure he took from being a member of this site, and I think it's really sad that it has  went down to this level.

I don't whether anyone really cares or not, and I don't know whether this will cause anyone to think before they post. I don't know whether the Mods need to sort things out, but if this attitude continues, Rush fans won't have this site, because they simply won't access it any longer >:(

Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 24, 2008, 11:38:28 am
Great. Another Drama Queen. I don't like what's happening so I'll go.
This is a community, and like any community there will be differences of opinion. FACT.
If things aren't going the way you like in life, then surely one of the options open to you is to try and change it, by quitting you give the power to those who offend you, let's not forget it takles two to tango.

I could go on, but trying to post sense is not my fort
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 24, 2008, 11:49:17 am
agree with slimmers  but who are "the certain individuals" ?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fuzzface on May 24, 2008, 12:06:12 pm
Quotewho are "the certain individuals"?


My guess is that it will be a different answer to that question, depending on who you ask....
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 12:11:34 pm
QuoteGreat. Another Drama Queen. I don't like what's happening so I'll go.
This is a community, and like any community there will be differences of opinion. FACT.
If things aren't going the way you like in life, then surely one of the options open to you is to try and change it, by quitting you give the power to those who offend you, let's not forget it takles two to tango.

I could go on, but trying to post sense is not my fort
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Slim on May 24, 2008, 12:18:43 pm
Christ on a bike, is it National Whiner's Month or something? I would suggest that people who get upset reading the opinions of people who disagree with them are possibly a little too faint-hearted to take part in discussions on a messageboard, and to be frank their ad-nauseam whinging does get a little tiresome after a while. So, looks like we have a win-win situation here.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 12:31:57 pm
QuoteChrist on a bike, is it National Whiner's Month or something? I would suggest that people who get upset reading the opinions of people who disagree with them are possibly a little too faint-hearted to take part in discussions on a messageboard, and to be frank their ad-nauseam whinging does get a little tiresome after a while. So, looks like we have a win-win situation here.


Did your wife tell you to say that? !!!
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: captainkurtz on May 24, 2008, 12:36:14 pm
Sorry to see Gman go but I can't get my head around people leaving for those reasons.

Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Analog RH on May 24, 2008, 12:39:36 pm

Best thing about TNMS is that it has led to people making friendships which I imagine will prevail forever. Those who have been to TNMS-arranged gatherings in Edinburgh, Newcastle, Galway, London, Glasgow, Sheffield, Nottingham, South Wales, Wembley, Bolton..... I could go on.... will attest to that fact.

Gman was at some of these, so should know himself that people can be very different on a website to how they are in real life. I will offer up examples - Slim, Breesey, Vapor Trailer. All 3 have an amazing ability to get my back up with their posts, but all 3 are bloody ace in "real life".

We've been here before, endlessly. People have been talking about the death of TNMS and cancelling their memberships since 2003. Some members repeatedly do this, then come back again, usually within weeks - Bec and Maria being good examples. I'm glad both of them came back, and hope Gman will too.

TNMS will continue, people will come and go. Some will love everything Rush do, others will just love the "glory days". Some people will want deep discussion, others will want to say "rawk" a lot and post bollocks. Some will get emotive about football, others will get hot under the collar about SHN. The more that things change, the more they will say the same.

I'm away to rawk and piss people off. See you on the road.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: sjsbrfc on May 24, 2008, 12:40:37 pm

This is a public forum, therefore different people are going to have different views on subjects discused here. We are all entitled to our opinions, and I for one don't agree with everybody on here. But to go off in a sulk is not the answer.

It's sad to see longstanding members leave, but come on people act your age!
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 24, 2008, 12:45:29 pm
Gman was a big celts fan right ?  surely he must be used to the fairly robust toing and froing that exits when you support one or other of the old firm...

anything thats said n here must really pale into insignificance when you compare to that...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 12:46:03 pm
Quote
I will offer up examples - Slim, Breesey, Vapor Trailer.  


Right, that's it. I'm leaving.  :(
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 12:47:53 pm
Quote

All 3 have an amazing ability to get my back up with their posts, but all 3 are bloody ace in "real life".



Over reacted too soon.
Sorry, I've come back
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 24, 2008, 12:48:23 pm
Quote

Right, that's it. I'm leaving.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 12:50:35 pm
QuoteGman was a big celts fan right?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Gary L. Grape on May 24, 2008, 12:51:14 pm
QuoteGreat. Another Drama Queen. I don't like what's happening so I'll go.
This is a community, and like any community there will be differences of opinion. FACT.
If things aren't going the way you like in life, then surely one of the options open to you is to try and change it, by quitting you give the power to those who offend you, let's not forget it takles two to tango.

I could go on, but trying to post sense is not my fort
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 12:52:30 pm
Quote

will expect a half page moan/rant from Mrs Breesey later...


If only. She'd tell me not to be such a wuss  :D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 24, 2008, 12:54:10 pm
just where
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: captainkurtz on May 24, 2008, 13:10:53 pm
QuoteI am not a Rush fan, I bloody hate them,

How dare you criticise them!  I'm off!  >:( >:(

;D ;D ;) :) :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Blastzone on May 24, 2008, 13:32:14 pm
Sorry to see Graham go....got drunk with him a couple of times at the Solid..top bloke

Hope he gets back oan soon
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Matt2112 on May 24, 2008, 14:34:14 pm
Well.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 24, 2008, 15:53:10 pm
I must admit I discussed my leaving the site yesterday with a few people as I was (am) tired of the constant bickering.
I appreciate that I am certainly one of the main culprits and as ARH said I have an amazing ability to get people's backs up (which I took as a compliment
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: 34Poolboy on May 24, 2008, 15:55:34 pm
Hell I respect his decision, if others consider it whinging or weak, that`s also there right.

There are people on here who in a normal social situation I know I would avoid because I`m an easy going type and don`t care for the wind-up merchants or those who consider themselves to be the oracles of the forum. People who throw a bomb into a conversation to test peoples reactions and then when questioned or asked to support there arguements run to some other part of the forum rather than admit they are wrong.

If there is any chance of getting Gman back as a contributing member the only thing I can suggest is just skip the posts of those who like to rile.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: sjsbrfc on May 24, 2008, 16:02:09 pm
QuoteI must admit I discussed my leaving the site yesterday with a few people as I was (am) tired of the constant bickering.
I appreciate that I am certainly one of the main culprits and as ARH said I have an amazing ability to get people's backs up (which I took as a compliment
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 24, 2008, 16:08:01 pm
and not even time to start a Where is VT thread ...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Slim on May 24, 2008, 16:08:26 pm
QuoteAnd for the record wasn't the thread entitled "Rush Suck" a dig at all the people who moan anyway?


No, it was originated by one of the moaners, if I remember correctly - complaining about a number of people not liking recent Rush as much as he does.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 24, 2008, 16:09:54 pm
Quote
I knew you'd be back matey :)

Cant let the bastards win, mate. :) :-*
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 24, 2008, 16:10:48 pm
Quoteand not even time to start a Where is VT thread ...

Exactly. I had to tell lots of people I'd thrown my toys out. No fecker noticed. ::) ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 24, 2008, 16:10:59 pm
you make it sound like a war of attrition...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 24, 2008, 16:11:04 pm
Jojo

First let me congratulate you on your post, very well expressed.

I never met Gman, only swapped football thoughts.

I am sorry he felt it necessary to leave this site, because like you I am not a Rush fan, but really enjoy the banter on here. Plus I have had  many great day/nights out with the good TNMS folk.

Not being  a fan I don't really look at those threads much, but with all bands there will be discussions about which was their best period.

I am amazed Graham found it necessary to leave for this reason. He seems to be a very intelligent, articulate guy who could more than hold his own in any arguement.

Surely he must realise people are going to disagree about certain matters, it is a forum after all.

All those supposed people who " don't like " Rush any more would go to at least one show on the last tour.

Come back Gman, and settle this verbally, mate. It would be to see you here again.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 24, 2008, 16:11:19 pm
I take on board what everyone has said here, and it makes sense. But why do the likes of Breesey and Slim etc, (who are really nice blokes btw), have to make 'offending' posts? Please don't ask for that to be explained, surely you know what I mean... :)

To debate, criticise, even argue (within reason) is ok I guess, but why the need for sarcastic and sometimes blatantly rude, antagonistic and vitriolic comments/replies? I don't mean to suggest that Breesey and Slim do this all the time, truly I don't, but as ARH said, there have been some 'ouch' posts over the seasons.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 24, 2008, 16:28:21 pm
QuoteI`m an easy going type and don`t care for the wind-up merchants or those who consider themselves to be the oracles of the forum. People who throw a bomb into a conversation to test peoples reactions and then when questioned or asked to support there arguements run to some other part of the forum rather than admit they are wrong.


This is exactly what I have been trying to say.

I wish this was my post!! ;D

Thanks Phil! :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: NeilP on May 24, 2008, 16:46:05 pm
Well I hope Gman comes back but it's his choice.
I understand his angst and imagine it has something to do with the discussion of politics on here - a subject that gets many folks back up and one that I avoid on discussion boards.

Take it easy Graham and chill.  
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 24, 2008, 17:01:31 pm
QuoteI must admit I discussed my leaving the site yesterday with a few people as I was (am) tired of the constant bickering.
I appreciate that I am certainly one of the main culprits and as ARH said I have an amazing ability to get people's backs up (which I took as a compliment  ::)).
For my part, I am not going to leave the site - which will no doubt disappoint some people  ;D - but will change my virtual persona as, has ARH also pointed out, I am an ace bloke. ;)
I was developing into someone who's only real reason to come onto the site was to see who Jonners, Fishy and Slim were pissing off at the time, (see, I can name names  :P) and then respond to them, almost on behalf of what I perceived as a majority. It seems clear that if I simply ignore posts that I dont necessary like/enjoy/agree with, this is the best reaction.
I will also offer an example where Slim posted "Rush should feck off and retire" and also doctored the word "feck" so the censor didn't work, which to my ideal is babyish and a ridiculous thing to find on a Rush site. On an anti-Rush site for anti-Rush fans, fair enough. But not here. The way that phrase was delivered I objected to and said so. Most people then construed this as me whinging. :(  I made an objection and was shot down for doing so. No constructive criticism, no apology, no defence of the post, nothing.

Anyway, it is mainly Slim that's bothered me recently - I can cope with Jonners and Fishy's tomfoolery. I am going to send him a PM next week when I've had a think about what I want to say. As he is a nice guy in real life, I want to at least make some effort to "shake hands".

I've had over 5 years on this site, most of it has been good banter and the meet-ups have always been a great occasion and I've met some good mates which I would have never met if this place didnt exist.

So, my advice to people leaving or thinking about it, dont. Stick around. Maybe cut down the number of visits you make for a few weeks or months. See what happens. :)

My apologies to those people who I spoke to, emailed and texted yesterday. I was being a drama queen. Plus, the missus wouldn't back me up. :P

Thanks guys

VT. :)


Drama queen doesn't come near, Steve,  but wind up merchant certainly does...grins....
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: BaldiePete on May 24, 2008, 17:19:08 pm
I'm sorry that Gman decided to leave and I'm surprised. As has been noted elsewhere he is a Celtic fan and must put up with and dish out worse banter with Rangers fans on an almost daily basis.

I don't think it is right or fair that the board should be calibrated to the feelings of those who are most sensitive to criticism of Rush or to sarcastic comments by members. Personal attacks should not be allowed but otherwise, pretty much anything should go. That would be a prime example of political correctness, censoring something in case it caused offence. I'm afraid no one has the right not to be offended.

And really, TNMS is a fluffy bunny of a website  ::) compared to some others out there. The Counterparts site can be unbelievably nasty at times with many comments and threads that would never be allowed here. They allow  threads with open abuse and attempted intimidation of posters.

A possible solution, stolen from CP, would be a forum just for rants and people to let off steam (their's is called "Shut Up Shut'n Up!!") . Any threads in the main sections which are heading into slag off/rant territory could be moved there by the mods/admins so that only people who want to read or participate need be involved.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 24, 2008, 17:33:00 pm
Nicely put and a good idea Pete. :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 18:20:00 pm
QuoteBut why do the likes of Breesey and Slim etc, (who are really nice blokes btw), have to make 'offending' posts?


I don't. I may well sail close to the wind but I always make sure I am not offensive. I don't think I have ever called anyone a name for example, even along sarcastic lines ala Slim.
I assume you can disprove that?

QuotePlease don't ask for that to be explained, surely you know what I mean... :)


But you should explain. You just agreed with BlackpoolPhil's post and then did exactly what he said shouldn't happen ie drop one and run, something I don't do.

I rely on the mods to make any further controls beyond those I make myself on my own posts. I think once, maybe twice, I have had a post modded.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 24, 2008, 18:35:09 pm
QuoteYou just agreed with BlackpoolPhil's post and then did exactly what he said shouldn't happen ie drop one and run, something I don't do.


What? :-?

But I haven't cut and run! :-/ Phil said in one post what I've been trying to say in quite a few. I simply agreed with his post, because it was what I'm trying to say. I haven't left anyone or anything in limbo? :o


Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 18:40:18 pm
Quote


What? :-?

But I haven't cut and run! :-/ Phil said in one post what I've been trying to say in quite a few. I simply agreed with his post, because it was what I'm trying to say. I haven't left anyone or anything in limbo? :o




OK, you've just cut and you're still here.
You said this: "Please don't ask for that to be explained, surely you know what I mean..."
I took that as you saying something for your own convenience without being prepared to explain it, which is what Phil spoke about, though trickey to define. If I am wrong, please just explain what you did not want to be asked to explain.

Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Slim on May 24, 2008, 18:42:16 pm
QuoteThere are people on here who in a normal social situation I know I would avoid because I`m an easy going type and don`t care for the wind-up merchants or those who consider themselves to be the oracles of the forum. People who throw a bomb into a conversation to test peoples reactions and then when questioned or asked to support there arguements run to some other part of the forum rather than admit they are wrong.


May we, then, in the same spirit, ask you to support this claim? I'm interested in particular to know how you can determine a "bomb" intended to "test peoples' reactions" from a legitimately expressed, sincerely held opinion. Please share that with us.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: zoony on May 24, 2008, 18:47:21 pm
QuoteSorry to see Gman go but I can't get my head around people leaving for those reasons.



Same here, but if that's how he feels, just respect his decision.

Last weekends big turnout for the Galway gathering surely shows that there is still one hell of a camaraderie on the site?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Matt2112 on May 24, 2008, 18:47:39 pm
QuoteI rely on the mods to make any further controls beyond those I make myself on my own posts. I think once, maybe twice, I have had a post modded.


Then given how liberal the mods are, your post(s) must have been utterly outrageous and suffered a deserved fate.  :D


::)  ;)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Gary L. Grape on May 24, 2008, 18:59:07 pm
QuoteThen given how liberal the mods are, your post(s) must have been utterly outrageous and suffered a deserved fate.  :D


::)  ;)

Even I've had a post modded once, for using a not so flattering term for the French...a certain amphibian term... ::) :P
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 24, 2008, 18:59:55 pm
I can't remember what I meant Steve, to be honest, I really can't. It's been a long day and I wish I hadn't got involved in all this now. All I was trying to do was communicate and to try and make a difference as someone said before me. "Don't throw the teddy, try and change things", or something like that. That's all I was trying to do. If I haven't done as I thought then I'm sorry. :-/

It's time for me to go... :(



Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: 34Poolboy on May 24, 2008, 19:02:39 pm
Quote

May we, then, in the same spirit, ask you to support this claim? I'm interested in particular to know how you can determine a "bomb" intended to "test peoples' reactions" from a legitimately expressed, sincerely held opinion. Please share that with us.


Okay if  you want an example, you yourself in the "Where do we now talk about refunds thread" (or whatever it is called). I have never posted in there myself although it would warrant a rant.

Many people have been seriously messed about and have suffered financially as well as emotionally and you dropped some clever remark about what great tickets you had, or somewhere else stating "it`s only money".

Well that is 2 examples, now you will of course say that these are "legitimitely expressed, sincerely held opinions" but I would consider them ill timed and thoughtless.

I just feel it sometimes appropriate to keep ones "legitimitely expressed, sincerely held opinions" to oneself, rather than light the blue touchpaper and run. Surely it must be obvious the reaction you will get, or is it not obvious that these statements will offend?

I don`t see the point, maybe you could explain it to me?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 24, 2008, 19:03:14 pm
QuoteI can't remember what I meant Steve, to be honest, I really can't. It's been a long day and I wish I hadn't got involved in all this now. All I was trying to do was communicate and to try and make a difference as someone said before me. "Don't throw the teddy, try and change things", or something like that. That's all I was trying to do. If I haven't done as I thought then I'm sorry. :-/



It's time for me to go... :(


Don't worry mate, we always agree on here so no one will have taken it the wrong way...smiles....





Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 19:05:05 pm
Quote

Then given how liberal the mods are, your post(s) must have been utterly outrageous and suffered a deserved fate.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 24, 2008, 19:05:19 pm
Quote

Same here, but if that's how he feels, just respect his decision.

Last weekends big turnout for the Galway gathering surely shows that there is still one hell of a camaraderie on the site?



You are correct, Rob, there will always be various views, but you only had to be in Galway last week to see how strong the camaraderie is on TNMS.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: 34Poolboy on May 24, 2008, 19:27:14 pm
Quote

Then given how liberal the mods are, your post(s) must have been utterly outrageous and suffered a deserved fate.  :D


::)  ;)


I`ve also been "modded". I couldn`t believe it, maybe it`s because I`m one of the newer posters!
I referred to Man United in a thread as anagram of MUCS.

It felt like it must feel under the opression of a Military regime! ;-)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 19:28:48 pm
QuoteI can't remember what I meant Steve, to be honest, I really can't. It's been a long day and I wish I hadn't got involved in all this now...


Mmm, maybe you've hit on something there!!
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 24, 2008, 19:30:31 pm
Quote

Same here, but if that's how he feels, just respect his decision.

Last weekends big turnout for the Galway gathering surely shows that there is still one hell of a camaraderie on the site?


Well done mate. You are the voice of reason.
Top man  :)  ;)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Slim on May 24, 2008, 19:34:29 pm
Quote

Okay if  you want an example, you yourself in the "Where do we now talk about refunds thread" (or whatever it is called). I have never posted in there myself although it would warrant a rant.

Many people have been seriously messed about and have suffered financially as well as emotionally and you dropped some clever remark about what great tickets you had, or somewhere else stating "it`s only money".

Well that is 2 examples, now you will of course say that these are "legitimitely expressed, sincerely held opinions" but I would consider them ill timed and thoughtless.


Two examples? I can only see one there, but never mind.

QuoteI just feel it sometimes appropriate to keep ones "legitimitely expressed, sincerely held opinions" to oneself, rather than light the blue touchpaper and run. Surely it must be obvious the reaction you will get, or is it not obvious that these statements will offend?


Well, it's clear by now that some people will make sure they take offence - indeed, that's really the whole point of this thread, and your comment above about the "emotional suffering" underlines that nicely, I think.

Ultimately, let's face it, you can't show that what I posted wasn't a sincere point of view, and you haven't been able to substantiate your claim.

QuoteI don`t see the point, maybe you could explain it to me?


I don't see the point, either. Since neither of us can, perhaps a useful clue toward the proposition that the premise of your question is wrong.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 24, 2008, 19:38:46 pm
I love the banter, slagging, late night chats on MSN, silliness, seriousness, anything goes, like Rob said, we had a blast here in Galway last weekend, and i know i'll enjoy many more such weekends in whatever place they happen in the future. Without tnms, i possibly would have never seen Rush live, and for quite some time now, my closest friends are all from here, now that is something that has broadened  and brightened up my life.
8-)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: 34Poolboy on May 24, 2008, 19:40:54 pm
If you read carefully you will see TWO remarks.

Of course, you are a better judge than I wether people suffered emotionally or not.

No I can`t prove your point of view wasn`t sincere. I can only suggest judging the situation with more feeling.

Perhaps so yes. Perhaps not.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: sjsbrfc on May 24, 2008, 19:57:35 pm
QuoteWithout tnms, i possibly would have never seen Rush live,
8-)


Or Led Zep ;) ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Steve_Harrison on May 24, 2008, 19:58:49 pm
Eh!! has he seen Led zep?

In all my years here I dont think ive ever upset or had a single hissy fit . I love this place even though sometimes its a bit feckin dull.LOL
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 24, 2008, 20:00:25 pm
Mind it has all been downhill since MarkW left..............

Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Steve_Harrison on May 24, 2008, 20:01:07 pm
LOL nice one nick
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 24, 2008, 20:03:02 pm
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Or Led Zep ;) ;D

How on Earth did i fail to mention that?.................. :o
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Steve_Harrison on May 24, 2008, 20:04:57 pm
Yeah but you didnt see them in `79 (Twice)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 24, 2008, 20:05:11 pm
QuoteMind it has all been downhill since MarkW left..............


And Fawn Eyed Girl................. ::)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 24, 2008, 20:06:07 pm
QuoteYeah but you didnt see them in `79 (Twice)

:'( :'( :'(
Bastard, the pain has all come back. :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Steve_Harrison on May 24, 2008, 20:06:08 pm
Didnt Markw come back a while ago?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: zoony on May 24, 2008, 20:51:07 pm
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Well done mate. You are the voice of reason.
Top man
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 24, 2008, 21:32:09 pm
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Don't worry mate, we always agree on here so no one will have taken it the wrong way...smiles....


Cheers!! ;)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 24, 2008, 21:34:20 pm
QuoteDidnt Markw come back a while ago?

Aye, but he wasn't the same.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 24, 2008, 21:34:55 pm
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:'( :'( :'(
b@st@rd, the pain has all come back. :'( :'( :'(

He's a bastard alright, I only saw them once in '79  :'(
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 24, 2008, 21:37:54 pm
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Aye, but he wasn't the same.

He got Married. ::)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 24, 2008, 21:38:33 pm
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He's a b@st@rd alright, I only saw them once in '79
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: zoony on May 24, 2008, 21:40:24 pm
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In all my years here I dont think ive ever upset or had a single hissy fit .


Apart from about your neighbours Steve  ;).
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 24, 2008, 21:49:40 pm
QuoteMmm, maybe you've hit on something there!!
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Captain Beardy on May 24, 2008, 21:50:28 pm
QuoteHi There,

My name is Josephine and I joined this site earlier this week, but let me make a confession immediately, I am not a Rush fan, I bloody hate them, but I'm married to someone who is, and was until very recently a member of this website.

His name is Graham, known as Gman, and he left this site for good after posting a message in the football section commenting on the sad demise of one of his boyhood heroes.

He left because he was totally sick of the attitude and actions of certain individuals on this website.

These people have been members for many years before he joined, but he had become dismayed at what he perceived as the constant negativity, the back biting, the perennial quest for the pedantic, and just the whole site changing for the worst, over what has been, ironically the busiest period for years of the band he loves.......and the reason apparently that this website exists.

And it's strange because until he joined Graham was completely unaware that such a network existed, and on finding it, completely re-energized his love of the band, and reminded him of all the reasons why he got into them in the first place.

And being a Rush fan was the only and sole motivation for joining the site, it was not to make friends and form a social club, although that came as a bonus, because he spoke many times about the nice people he met, particularly at the Solid Rock, but the truth is that was never a motivation for him.

And you may say, so what....well I decided to join to see for myself, and I've been reading many of the threads and comments and as someone coming fresh to this, I have to say what a bunch of petty, spineless feckers exist on this site.
Oh, I know I'm only talking of certain individuals, but some of the comments are incredibly nasty, personal and vitrolic....for no good reason other than just to wind people up....I mean what is the point of a thread "Rush Suck" :-?

Graham indicated to me and I agree with him that there are now only 2 types of people on this site. There are those who still get pleasure from Rush.....and then there are those who don't.

Now that would be okay, but it seems quite clear that the mission in life of the 2nd group is to post about this and destroy the views of the first group. If you get no pleasure from Rush, and you think the band aren't as good as before....then feck OFF, and bore someone else with the details.

Because, unfortunately these opinions are fixed and won't change, but all that happens is constant grinding down of people who still like the band and enjoy the music....and people are leaving this site in droves.

That's why I have posted this, I won't ever post again and Graham who knows that I'm writing this, will access this site as a guest from now on.

BTW, my Husband doesn't need his Wife to write him a letter, but I know how much pleasure he took from being a member of this site, and I think it's really sad that it has  went down to this level.

I don't whether anyone really cares or not, and I don't know whether this will cause anyone to think before they post. I don't know whether the Mods need to sort things out, but if this attitude continues, Rush fans won't have this site, because they simply won't access it any longer >:(




:( A perfect example of why women should stay in the sodding
kitchen,.. !! FFS,...

And fancy hating Rush, too ,. Ach !!!!  tut - tut,..
( Bet Gman feels better after that one LMAO ! ).
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Ron_Hill on May 25, 2008, 02:19:10 am
If this place is down the drain it's a fecking BIG drain, lit up with side stops like Galway, Glasgow, London. :)

I like this drain. <peenywise mode> Let's all float down here together. :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 07:52:15 am
Good morning everybody. What a lot of fuss about nowt.

Anyway, thanks I enjoyed the limelight while it lasted   8-)
I'll continue contributing as I have done up till now then, sorry about that!  ::)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: zoony on May 25, 2008, 09:21:59 am
QuoteGood morning everybody. What a lot of fuss about nowt.



I have to agree with you AGAIN mate  ;).
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: zoony on May 25, 2008, 09:46:39 am
I'm glad you did come back Bec, or i'd have never got to have one of your magnificent cakes!  :-* ;).
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: DaveC on May 25, 2008, 09:49:20 am
QuoteAnyway, the site is a bit sh!t at the minute, I hate the negativity but it is like cycles. It comes and it goes, it always has and it always will.



Agree Bec - it looks to me like some posters like to "bomb" threads with contentious posts  :( but after a while on here you get to know which threads to avoid - you get to know which posters to avoid too
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: sjsbrfc on May 25, 2008, 09:53:16 am
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Obviously Gman has found the kitchen a bit hot and needed to get out ;)



Isn't deleting his membership taking it too far? I don't know :-/ Maybe a period of not posting or visiting the site would have been better, and if he felt the same way after that then sever all ties with TNMS
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 25, 2008, 10:31:19 am
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Anyway, the site is a bit sh!t at the minute, I hate the negativity but it is like cycles. It comes and it goes, it always has and it always will.



Well have to disagree, I think the site has improved lately, a lot of banter, and laughs from my point of view. Enjoying it a much as ever, with trips to Galway ( and hopefully London) being the icing on the cake...smiles....
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: NeilP on May 25, 2008, 11:04:26 am
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Well have to disagree, I think the site has improved lately, a lot of banter, and laughs from my point of view. Enjoying it a much as ever, with trips to Galway ( and hopefully London) being the icing on the cake...smiles....


it's just probably the post CL winners glow and the sniffles Peter ;)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 12:18:05 pm
in keeping with Rush..shouldn't this be TNMS Down The Tubes....
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 12:26:09 pm
Quotein keeping with Rush..shouldn't this be TNMS Down The Tubes....


Yes, but the OP isn't a Rush fan. . .
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Stewart on May 25, 2008, 12:26:22 pm
QuoteAnd Fawn Eyed Girl................. ::)


Good god Tom, how can you remember the ONLY person we have ever banned from TNMS?! and that was 5/6 years ago! :O
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 25, 2008, 12:27:53 pm
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Good god Tom, how can you remember the ONLY person we have ever banned from TNMS?! and that was 5/6 years ago! :O

Simply, HE was the only person ever who managed to  piss me off here,
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Stewart on May 25, 2008, 12:29:11 pm
Even then, he was only banned as we were told by SRO/Anthem that he was a "dangerous" person who actually had a restraining order against him from band management!!

Fruit loop..
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Topper on May 25, 2008, 12:30:39 pm
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Simply, HE was the only person ever who managed to
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 12:30:41 pm
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:( A perfect example of why women should stay in the sodding
kitchen,..!! FFS,...

And fancy hating Rush, too ,. Ach!!!!
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 25, 2008, 12:33:11 pm
QuoteEven then, he was only banned as we were told by SRO/Anthem that he was a "dangerous" person who actually had a restraining order against him from band management!!

Fruit loop..
Just remembered another fruit loop from a Stalker Tour in 2004 ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 25, 2008, 12:33:44 pm
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I can't imagine you angry with anyone Tom?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Stewart on May 25, 2008, 12:35:36 pm
To cover Jojo' original post and others ...

The site does move in cycles, but the original point of the site has now effectively gone, we no longer post exclusive Rush news, as Ed over at Rush Is a Band does a much better job, and his site is very focused at giving news, as opposed to offering discussion with a bit of news.

Personally I want some changes to the rules of the site, and as the management is a democracy here these are being discussed currently. It might come to nothing, but it might come to something.

There is some trolling on the site which I believe does cause some people to become disinterested in various discussions, but as some others have already said some of the site related events over the past 12 months have had a detrimental effect to the site with some members leaving.

Anyway, if we can keep the rest of this discussion serious that'd be lovely.

BTW just a personal note, to those that are pedantic over grammer, esp towards me and my use of have instead of of, please feck off!
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 12:39:55 pm
QuoteBTW just a personal note, to those that are pedantic over grammer, esp towards me and my use of have instead of of, please feck off!


Don't you mean your use of 'of' instead of have?

Or am I being pedantic?  :D  :-X  :P
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 25, 2008, 12:40:06 pm
QuoteTo cover Jojo' original post and others ...


BTW just a personal note, to those that are pedantic over grammer, esp towards me and my use of have instead of of, please feck off!

Or add a Spell /Grammer Checker. ::)
Whoever complains most will have to become a Mod and correct all offending Posts. ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 12:41:19 pm
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Or add a Spell /Grammer Checker. ::) ;D


To quote TerBer, it's "grammar"  ;)  :D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 12:42:24 pm
it maybe grammar but it ain't relevant...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Stewart on May 25, 2008, 12:43:01 pm
Quoteit maybe grammar but it ain't relevant...


Yes, back on topic please.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: BaldiePete on May 25, 2008, 12:44:28 pm
But Tom is Irish so it's OK  ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Tom Garrett on May 25, 2008, 12:44:41 pm
Quote

To quote TerBer, it's "grammar"
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 12:44:59 pm
Quoteit maybe grammar but it ain't relevant...


I was joking, is that allowed these days
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 12:46:15 pm
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That was deliberate ;D


Troll  :D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 12:46:15 pm
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I was joking, is that allowed these days
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 12:48:34 pm
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no it doesn't appear to be allowed
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Stewart on May 25, 2008, 12:55:54 pm
I removed a post by Ian (thefishy) as it really was OFF topic, now that others have gone off topic since that post, I'm not going to delete those posts, just ask again that we please keep on topic, this is a serious discussion and could have implications on TNMS' future.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Ron_Hill on May 25, 2008, 12:59:46 pm
Having been the victim of a concerted multi-partite attack on another forum I know how these things can turn nasty. Thankfully, good people in here are in a vast majority and I don't think personal hate campaigns would be allowed to persist. Some negativity is inevitable with a band like Rush who are self confessed as making music primarily for their own entertainment. It is right and proper that everyone should not like everything they do. I can't stand the debut album, Presto makes me feel ill in places, Vapor Trails is an engineering abomination and whoever did the 5.1 horror on the S&A MVI should be force fed Porcupine Tree DVD-A's and Pink Floyd's DSOTM SACD until their ears bleed and they see the light.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 13:02:19 pm
it's not so much negativity as just an alternative point of view...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Ron_Hill on May 25, 2008, 13:04:53 pm
Stewart, i've been here a while as you know and I genuinely don't feel there is anything wrong with the mix in here subject wise and context wise. Nearly everyone drifts OT at times but I think nearly everyone knows the boundaries. If you change the mix and the rules too much you may end up killing that which you are trying to preserve. Current woes (like this thread's OP) just seem largely out of place to me although heartfelt and honest. If anything I concurr with Peter in thinking the site is a little more vibrant these days. :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 13:18:29 pm
Quoteit's not so much negativity as just an alternative point of view...


Spot on
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 13:19:02 pm
QuoteIf anything I concurr with Peter in thinking the site is a little more vibrant these days. :)


I agree with that too
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 13:21:52 pm
it did seem to get more vibrant a wee while ago but i feel its kinda levelled off again a bit..
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 25, 2008, 13:48:03 pm
QuoteStewart, i've been here a while as you know and I genuinely don't feel there is anything wrong with the mix in here subject wise and context wise. Nearly everyone drifts OT at times but I think nearly everyone knows the boundaries. If you change the mix and the rules too much you may end up killing that which you are trying to preserve. Current woes (like this thread's OP) just seem largely out of place to me although heartfelt and honest. If anything I concurr with Peter in thinking the site is a little more vibrant these days. :)



It has been a while since I have been " concurred with, " Ron...smiles...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 25, 2008, 13:49:22 pm
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I agree with that too



See it isn't all arguements on here, we can agree as well..big agreeable smile....
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Gary L. Grape on May 25, 2008, 14:07:20 pm
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I agree with that too

So do I :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Ron_Hill on May 25, 2008, 14:13:57 pm
Alright. Enough of the love-in. Yer all big hairy bastids!!! ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Captain Beardy on May 25, 2008, 14:14:56 pm
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no it doesn't appear to be allowed  ::)


Have I missed something ????  :-? :o
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 14:23:01 pm
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Have I missed something????
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Captain Beardy on May 25, 2008, 14:28:15 pm
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Yes.


Well,. that was informative ! ::)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 14:36:38 pm
Informative and on topic :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Captain Beardy on May 25, 2008, 14:42:11 pm
Hmmm,.. I sense the 'slapped wrists',. LOL
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 14:45:32 pm
Perceptive and like i said..being a rock star you are above all this bawbaggery... :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Captain Beardy on May 25, 2008, 14:55:22 pm
QuotePerceptive and like i said..being a rock star you are above all this bawbaggery... :)


Oh,. quite ,. My regal rock status entitles me to comment
carte blanche upon any subject with impunity, dontcha know  8-)

Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Breesey on May 25, 2008, 15:23:23 pm
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Oh,. quite ,. My regal rock status entitles me to comment
carte blanche upon any subject with impunity, dontcha know
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 25, 2008, 15:29:14 pm
just think Dan in a few years time we'll be debating whether the early period Opus Tide was as good as the poppy dance 3 minute song Opus Tide...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Ron_Hill on May 25, 2008, 15:46:40 pm
An ego by album 1. Quite an achievement! ;) ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Captain Beardy on May 25, 2008, 17:40:05 pm
Quotejust think Dan in a few years time we'll be debating whether the early period Opus Tide was as good as the poppy dance 3 minute song Opus Tide...


If no fecker  buys the friggin' album then there'll be no poppy - dance period , PERIOD,..

( That was a hint BTW ! ).

Jeeeezzzzzzzz,. I'm never going to get my castle at this rate  :(
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Captain Beardy on May 25, 2008, 17:41:31 pm
QuoteAn ego by album 1. Quite an achievement! ;) ;D


My dear fellow Captain, there has always been an ' ego '  :-X

( And it's only gonna get bigger ).
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 25, 2008, 18:50:24 pm
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My dear fellow Captain, there has always been an ' ego '  :-X

( And it's only gonna get bigger ).



You can't be a rock star drummer without the necessary big ego, Daniel...grins...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: sjsbrfc on May 25, 2008, 19:07:24 pm
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You can't be a rock star drummer without the necessary big ego, Daniel...grins...


I thought you didn't talk to drummers any more Peter? ;) ::)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 25, 2008, 19:47:01 pm
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I thought you didn't talk to drummers any more Peter? ;) ::)



It is more they don't talk to me, Simon...big grin...

And I would always speak to The Captain...smiles...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 26, 2008, 08:35:38 am
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Look I'm not one for confrontations, ok? Never have been. And I didn't want to risk upsetting people so publically, but seeing as you are so insistent on an answer....

You, Jonners, VT, Breesey and Slim. OK?

The odd thing is I don't have anything against any of you personally, its just the comments etc etc etc. What else do you want me to say? I'm at a loss! :-/



I'm saddened - but not shocked - that my name is in this list. I am the only one who's never said anything negative about Rush. I would like you to give me an example of a post which has wound you enough to put me in this list. I will not try to defend my post, but I do want to know a good example of what I have done recently to annoy people so. Similarly if anyone else has an example then please let me know about it so I am aware of it. I want to help TNMS shin back up the drainpipe and will change my ways (or at the very least be aware of what I do that upsets people). By PM if you prefer.
The only thing I can think of doing at the moment is not to post so much. I very often make posts forgetting that it is a public forum and that's because I feel so comfortable on here that I think I'm "with" friends and so can have a lark. I dont want to be in anyone's "list" to be honest and will do whatever it takes to change peoples' opinion of me - even stopping posting altogether.
:-[
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 26, 2008, 09:16:34 am
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I'm saddened - but not shocked - that my name is in this list. I am the only one who's never said anything negative about Rush. I would like you to give me an example of a post which has wound you enough to put me in this list. I will not try to defend my post, but I do want to know a good example of what I have done recently to annoy people so. Similarly if anyone else has an example then please let me know about it so I am aware of it. I want to help TNMS shin back up the drainpipe and will change my ways (or at the very least be aware of what I do that upsets people). By PM if you prefer.
The only thing I can think of doing at the moment is not to post so much. I very often make posts forgetting that it is a public forum and that's because I feel so comfortable on here that I think I'm "with" friends and so can have a lark. I dont want to be in anyone's "list" to be honest and will do whatever it takes to change peoples' opinion of me - even stopping posting altogether.
:-[



A leopard never changes it's under wear, Steve..grins...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: sjsbrfc on May 26, 2008, 09:19:48 am
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I'm saddened - but not shocked - that my name is in this list. I am the only one who's never said anything negative about Rush. I would like you to give me an example of a post which has wound you enough to put me in this list. I will not try to defend my post, but I do want to know a good example of what I have done recently to annoy people so. Similarly if anyone else has an example then please let me know about it so I am aware of it. I want to help TNMS shin back up the drainpipe and will change my ways (or at the very least be aware of what I do that upsets people). By PM if you prefer.
The only thing I can think of doing at the moment is not to post so much. I very often make posts forgetting that it is a public forum and that's because I feel so comfortable on here that I think I'm "with" friends and so can have a lark. I dont want to be in anyone's "list" to be honest and will do whatever it takes to change peoples' opinion of me - even stopping posting altogether.
:-[


Don't let one person's opinion get to you Steve, and stop you from posting.

TMNS would be a worse place to visit without people like you, Slim, Jonners, Breesey or Fishy.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Steve_Harrison on May 26, 2008, 09:21:33 am
Quotejust think Dan in a few years time we'll be debating whether the early period Opus Tide was as good as the poppy dance 3 minute song Opus Tide...

Thats funny as feck, nice one Fishy ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 26, 2008, 09:28:06 am
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Don't let one person's opinion get to you Steve, and stop you from posting.

TMNS would be a worse place to visit with you, Slim, Jonners, Breesey or Fishy.


Speak for yourself, Simon. If those listed were to leave or even be banned, then maybe some one might just take notice of what I post.......grins a massive grin........























Just in case anyone who is still drunk, stoned or just still half asleep, then this a joke.

Those listed are the back bone of this wonderful forum.



Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: zoony on May 26, 2008, 09:29:42 am
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Don't let one person's opinion get to you Steve, and stop you from posting.

TMNS would be a worse place to visit without people like you, Slim, Jonners, Breesey or Fishy.


Agreed.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 26, 2008, 09:30:28 am
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Thats funny as feck, nice one Fishy ;D



Typical of Mr Fisher's dry sense of humour, Steve, very funny....laughs out loud...


Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 26, 2008, 10:07:27 am
Jojo

I see you are visiting.

See what you have started  ?.....smiles.....
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 27, 2008, 01:48:28 am
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I'm saddened - but not shocked - that my name is in this list. I am the only one who's never said anything negative about Rush. I would like you to give me an example of a post which has wound you enough to put me in this list. I will not try to defend my post, but I do want to know a good example of what I have done recently to annoy people so.


Hello Steve. :)

I wasn't referring to you having a bash at Rush - not sure how you came to think that, but no worries. All I meant (as I did with the other chaps on the list) was that more often than not it would be you guys (together or independently) who would be taking the p*ss out of someone - sometimes unnecessarily. Or having a dig when unnecessary; say over someones grammer etc (poss bad example, but general stuff like that I mean).
I never meant to suggest that any of you guys were being nasty or whatever and I'm sorry if that was suggested - a definite misunderstanding - but some posts have sounded like that. At times it gets tedious to see, whatever the reason. Don't get me wrong, I love a good laugh and (believe it or not) I don't mind having the p*ss taken out of me, I really don't, as long as its justified.
Gmans footie post is a prime example of what I mean. He really was dragged down during that one and it wasn't fair. Off the top of my head (and without looking back) I can't remember who was the offender(s), but you get the point I am making, surely? Sometimes its "enough already", you know? :-/

Regarding Rush, I have no objection to anyone's views on a particular song or album, whether good or bad, as we all can't like the same thing. I only object to the way its done sometimes. Slim, is a prime example of how he will really go to town on someone for opposing his views on, for example Counterparts - or anything for that matter. I can't remember when, or which thread etc, but I have seen such comments, and I know that other members of TNMS will have seen the same. I haven't any objection to Slim, defending his position, that's his right, but I just wish (at times) he wouldn't be so bullish with people. In my opinion it just isn't necessary - and I don't believe for one minute that I'm on my own here. Don't get me wrong I really do like James, he's great, and he knows I like him, but I don't like that side of him that pops out now and again. It spoils him - in my opinion. I hope James, can see my point...

Anyway, I hope I've made made myself a little clearer now? :-/

Good to have you back - despite my complaints! ;D ::)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 27, 2008, 02:47:19 am
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Don't let one person's opinion get to you Steve, and stop you from posting.

TMNS would be a worse place to visit without people like you, Slim, Jonners, Breesey or Fishy.


Simon, I don't want that either. God, no. :(

I don't mean to write rules either, or have TNMS perceived as I might want it to be. Feck No! I understand perfectly that we have a good thing going here and TNMS is the best place for Rush fans to hang out. I know that we all can't agree or get along all of the time. It's not possible. I just don't want to see (the recent) bickering and (sometimes unnecessary) p*ss taking take hold and risk spoiling what we have here. Do you understand what I mean Simon? :-/
I'm not someone who courts trouble, I never have been - lifes too short!
All I wanted to do after seeing people's posts regarding leaving TNMS (which I thought of doing too) was to try and help, help clear the air. As suggested by others - "Don't leave. Try and make a difference!"
This is all I've tried to do and just because I'm not as intelligent, or clever enough to write like Slim (sorry to use you as the example James), I'm being raked over the coals for it (or so it seems). Yes, I probably have made a few gaffs in my posts and I probably could have explained myself a bit better, but my intentions were good natured Simon.
Once again, I was only trying to help. But now I wish I hadn't. Call me a drama queen, I really don't care, but I feel like public enemy number 1 at the mo... :-/ :( :-[

"Get involved. Help make a difference!" Hmm, really! :-X
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 27, 2008, 05:50:22 am
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Anyway, I hope I've made made myself a little clearer now? :-/


Er, to be honest no you haven't. :-/
The only time I've said anything about grammar was when I joined in with Nick Sims months ago trying to "educate" our American friends in spelling words in the English way, not the American one.(I think it was Presto-Digitation). That was definately a laugh and not at all serious. I have also "joined in" with the perennial Stewart bash for should have and should of...but since that has become obvious that this annoys Stewart I haven't done it since. Once I'm aware that I'm doing something wrong I will always stop if it's annoying someone.
You referred in your post about GMan's football post and you can't remember who it was that upset the chap. Clearly you think I had something to do with it. I can assure you it wasn't me.
I feel like I've been misrepresented here Simon. :-/
I'm serious about my post the other day - I want to know an example - just one - about why I've made your list. I won't defend it or ridicule it. If I've bothered anyone I will publically apologise for my actions and not repeat what caused the upset. If I dont know what I've done, then how can I rectify my "mistake". :-/
I agree with a lot of what you've posted and can sense and understand your frustrations and for my part I think I'm helping. I've sent Slim a PM to apologise for the things I've said about him and to him as I promised and have opened up the opportunity for anybody to either publically or privately tell me what I've done wrong and I dont think I've had anybody speak up yet. :-/
Thanks for getting back to me on this subject Simon, but you've not yet put me straight. :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Gary L. Grape on May 27, 2008, 07:35:37 am
QuoteOnce again, I was only trying to help. But now I wish I hadn't. Call me a drama queen, I really don't care, but I feel like public enemy number 1 at the mo... :-/ :( :-[

"Get involved. Help make a difference!" Hmm, really! :-X

I think you're doing a good job. At least you're giving us your point of view instead of just quitting and "letting the others win". Hang in there, mate :) I for one think I know what you mean with many of the points you're trying to make.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 27, 2008, 08:08:49 am
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I think you're doing a good job.

I agree. Individually and collectively we'll help this place back to its feet. :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: 1111 on May 27, 2008, 08:50:24 am
QuoteJojo

I see you are visiting.

See what you have started
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Nick on May 27, 2008, 09:08:41 am
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I think you're doing a good job. .



I agree, many times you have voiced opinions that needed to be aired where perhaps others would fear to tread, e.g the ticket debacle.

As a member from the early days i have seen similar ups and downs, members have come and gone, don't forget this site started off with only a handful of memebers and over time has grown larger than many would have thought. Over the years that TNMS has been running nearly every Rush topic for discussion has been brought up, albums synched many times (although i note we still need to do S+A live!), solos have been analysed, best all time tracks have been identified etc etc. Perhaps at the moment with Rush touring and no new album in site for at least a year and a half the Rush content has lulled but we do have a DVD coming and a couple of documentaries to look forward to.

A TNMS mid-life crisis maybe but we will get over it.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Jonners on May 27, 2008, 09:16:36 am
Did you lot have nothing better to do over the bank holiday weekend than have yet another "this place is going down the drain debate"?

Will the site be a worse place because we are losing the people who have a tantrum when someone disagrees with their point of view or criticises their favourite band?

I doubt it

Au revoir Mr and Mrs Gman
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Chris Quartly on May 27, 2008, 09:33:31 am
I've just about read this thread this morning. How exhausting!

All I have to say is this, in any walk of life there will be people you like or don't like, opinions you agree or don't agree with. In most of those instances the people/opinions you do not care for will be ignored, why not here? There have been relatively few cases over the 6 years this site has been running where rules have been broken to a degree where an admin or mod have had to step in, and I like it like that, I don't want to run or be part of a site where I constantly have to worry about things like this, you're all grown adults!

I just cannot fathom why anyone would get so emotional over things like this, there are much more important things in life. Perhaps this is the wrong approach that an admin should take on his message board.

As for things changing on the website over the years, people change, communities change, I can't stop people from posting (unless there is something worthy of a ban, something that has only happened once) nor would I want to. If there's a difference of opinion then either ignore it or reply to it, simple. Whether or not I "prefer" how it is now or how it has been in the past is irrelevant, I choose to be here, anyone can choose to be here or not.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 27, 2008, 10:01:39 am
QuoteI've just about read this thread this morning. How exhausting!

All I have to say is this, in any walk of life there will be people you like or don't like, opinions you agree or don't agree with. In most of those instances the people/opinions you do not care for will be ignored, why not here? There have been relatively few cases over the 6 years this site has been running where rules have been broken to a degree where an admin or mod have had to step in, and I like it like that, I don't want to run or be part of a site where I constantly have to worry about things like this, you're all grown adults!

I just cannot fathom why anyone would get so emotional over things like this, there are much more important things in life. Perhaps this is the wrong approach that an admin should take on his message board.

As for things changing on the website over the years, people change, communities change, I can't stop people from posting (unless there is something worthy of a ban, something that has only happened once) nor would I want to. If there's a difference of opinion then either ignore it or reply to it, simple. Whether or not I "prefer" how it is now or how it has been in the past is irrelevant, I choose to be here, anyone can choose to be here or not.



For once I don't think the mods were under attack, Chris, only the posters..smiles...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 27, 2008, 10:04:11 am
QuoteDid you lot have nothing better to do over the bank holiday weekend than have yet another "this place is going down the drain debate"?

Will the site be a worse place because we are losing the people who have a tantrum when someone disagrees with their point of view or criticises their favourite band?

I doubt it

Au revoir Mr and Mrs Gman


No.

Depends who that person is I guess, if it were you or / and The Fishy then definitely YES....smiles....
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Jonners on May 27, 2008, 10:09:36 am
I can feel the love!

Its dissapointing to get mentioned in dispatches when people are giving their reasons for leaving the site, but what can one do?

What happens in these peoples homes when someone wants to watch BBC, and the other ITV at the same time? Divorce?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 27, 2008, 10:12:36 am
i just find it utterly ridiculous that 4 /5 people out of whatever the membership is can have such an effect on people... ie they feel they either want to leave or that all they see is constant criticism, which is usually just an alternte point of view...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Chris Quartly on May 27, 2008, 10:12:55 am
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For once I don't think the mods were under attack, Chris, only the posters..smiles...


I know Peter, but in many aspects if someone isn't happy with anything on the site then it's a reflection of how they think it is ran. I'm just saying that I'm not going to change the way I run the forum, there are a lot of forums out there with many rules which they adhere to strictly, and those aren't really good places to be.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fuzzface on May 27, 2008, 10:15:41 am
QuoteDid you lot have nothing better to do over the bank holiday weekend than have yet another "this place is going down the drain debate"?


Oh yes....I was at a party for a friend who turned 40 8-)

(come to think of it, it might have been more fun to spend that time here.......it was BY FAR the most boring party I've ever been at.....funerals are more fun....) ::) ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 27, 2008, 10:19:45 am
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I know Peter, but in many aspects if someone isn't happy with anything on the site then it's a reflection of how they think it is ran. I'm just saying that I'm not going to change the way I run the forum, there are a lot of forums out there with many rules which they adhere to strictly, and those aren't really good places to be.


You continue, Chris, no complaints from me, you and the rest of the " bosses " do a great job.

Anyway if everyone is going to discuss a certain terrible Canadian trio on here, then I will have no option but to cancel my membership and come back as an Elvis fan...smiles...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 27, 2008, 10:21:14 am
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Oh yes....I was at a party for a friend who turned 40 8-)

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These youngsters don't know how to enjoy themselves, Micke..grins...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 27, 2008, 10:22:42 am
QuoteI can feel the love!

?

What happens in these peoples homes when someone wants to watch BBC, and the other ITV at the same time? Divorce?


Only one TV in the Jonner's household  ?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Topper on May 27, 2008, 10:23:14 am
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Oh yes....I was at a party for a friend who turned 40 8-)

(come to think of it, it might have been more fun to spend that time here.......it was BY FAR the most boring party I've ever been at.....funerals are more fun....) ::) ;D


I won't celebrate turning 40 either.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fuzzface on May 27, 2008, 10:24:11 am
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These youngsters don't know how to enjoy themselves, Micke..grins...


You are even more right than you know, Peter

I've never been to a "party" completely without music before......not even some soft background music.....completely quiet, and the guests were just sitting there......Jesus Christ!! :P

After a while I concentrated on drinking whisky instead.... ;D

Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fuzzface on May 27, 2008, 10:24:44 am
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I won't celebrate turning 40 either.  :'(  ;) :)


Me neither.....but I love it when others turn 40 ;D ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Pudders on May 27, 2008, 10:29:09 am
QuoteI can feel the love!

Its dissapointing to get mentioned in dispatches when people are giving their reasons for leaving the site, but what can one do?

What happens in these peoples homes when someone wants to watch BBC, and the other ITV at the same time? Divorce?


But I'd say you've changed the style of your posts Jon. Where we used to get a "stop deluding yourselves, why don't/can't you admit it's shit?" type response to an enthusiastic post on, say, S&A. Now there's a much more understanding reply forthcoming (with an "I still think it's shit!" tagged on the end  ;D )

The former just didn't allow for the fact that someone else has a different opinion and when repeated ad infinitum which was often how it was perceived to be, I'm sure you could see why it pissed some people off to the point of them thinking there's no point in even replying any more. It's those people, not those who've just walked away (for those reasons), that need to see that their input is still welcome.

From a personal; point of view it's worth pointing out that I think the reason I have at times been a little disillusioned is that as a Global Mod I cannot just walk away and not read posts/threads, I need to wade through it all and on some days that can be quite onerous!

Anyway, I think we're settling down again now - just need Simon and VT to work out what they are trying to tell each other and all will be well! ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Pudders on May 27, 2008, 10:32:15 am
Quotei just find it utterly ridiculous that 4 /5 people out of whatever the membership is can have such an effect on people... ie they feel they either want to leave or that all they see is constant criticism, which is usually just an alternte point of view...


I said to you before Iain, it's 'perception'...... if you make a couple fo 'negative' comments, negativity can be read into almost anything you post.

So that's you screwed then! ;D ;)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Duke on May 27, 2008, 10:33:16 am
Websites / message boards like this are an organic thing. They ebb and flow like tides with highs and lows. Attempts to mould them generally fail rather like King Canute.

If you find yourself at odds with a post or poster you have a choice whether to respond or ignore. Its much nicer here than many other places on the Internet. People should bear that in mind when they complain.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 27, 2008, 10:49:18 am
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Anyway, I think we're settling down again now - just need Simon and VT to work out what they are trying to tell each other and all will be well! ;D

I agree with what you posted above there Neil. :)
And I know what Simon is trying to say; and more to the point I completely agree and sympathise with his thoughts. Its just that I've asked him for an example of why I'm in his list and he responded with examples which weren't anything to do with me. (the correcting grammar posts, the taking the p*ss out of someone posts, the Gman posts). I just want to know why he is annoyed with me. I feel I've been either mis-quoted or mis-understood.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: mickpaz2112 on May 27, 2008, 10:52:34 am
Is there any artwork for this?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 27, 2008, 10:53:57 am
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I said to you before Iain, it's 'perception'...... if you make a couple fo 'negative' comments, negativity can be read into almost anything you post.

So that's you screwed then! ;D ;)

well people can't be very perceptive around here then...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fishy on May 27, 2008, 10:55:42 am
QuoteIs there any artwork for this?


yep

(http://www.wendyswizardofoz.com/hang2.gif )
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Jonners on May 27, 2008, 11:00:51 am
You know what I find most "annoying" about all this, is the sheer arrogance of Mrs Gman starting a thread with such a title and damning content

I fully understand her defending her husband publically, any self respecting spouse should do, but then to bang on about this place going to the dogs smacks of self opinionated and blinkered rudeness

Ah well......
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Gary L. Grape on May 27, 2008, 11:13:06 am
Quoteyep

(http://www.wendyswizardofoz.com/hang2.gif )

That's hilarious...IMO, of course ::)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fuzzface on May 27, 2008, 11:29:53 am
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yep

(http://www.wendyswizardofoz.com/hang2.gif )

[smiley=grin.gif] [smiley=grin.gif] [smiley=grin.gif]

Lovely! ;D

I think Fishy should do all the artwork for the S&A Tour boots ::)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Jonners on May 27, 2008, 11:42:17 am
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[smiley=grin.gif] [smiley=grin.gif] [smiley=grin.gif]

Lovely! ;D

I think Fishy should do all the artwork for the S&A Tour boots ::)


There are only so many pics of piles of poo on the internet one can find

(in my opinion)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fuzzface on May 27, 2008, 11:44:00 am
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There are only so many pics of piles of poo on the internet one can find

(in my opinion)


True, but there is also Photoshopping....there could be loads of variation...

On the other hand......there were no variations in the setlist, so why not have the same artwork on all the boots..? ::)

Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Ron_Hill on May 27, 2008, 12:53:27 pm
Jojo certainly stood by her man for sure and she has generated some debate on the nature of debate in this wonderful place which is a good thing from time to time. I for one think a pizza and a few pints is still the best way to settle an argument. Failing that, a nuclear bazooka is always handy to have. :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Ron_Hill on May 27, 2008, 12:54:17 pm
oh and come back Gman.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Topper on May 27, 2008, 12:57:00 pm
QuoteI for one think a pizza and a few pints is still the best way to settle an argument.


I agree....And it is lunchtime.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 27, 2008, 20:09:26 pm
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I agree with what you posted above there Neil. :)
And I know what Simon is trying to say; and more to the point I completely agree and sympathise with his thoughts. Its just that I've asked him for an example of why I'm in his list and he responded with examples which weren't anything to do with me. (the correcting grammar posts, the taking the p*ss out of someone posts, the Gman posts). I just want to know why he is annoyed with me. I feel I've been either mis-quoted or mis-understood.


Oh man, I wish I hadn't gotten involved!! :-/ :-X ::) ;D

Steve, I was generalising, honest. I thought you'd get that. Sorry for the mis-understanding. :-[

Its funny, but you've said what I was going to say myself. It was more the bickering side of things that I was referring to with you, i.e the issues you had with Slim.
I dont so much blame you for what you said to Slim. If you felt you had a reason to 'have a go' then fair enough - not my business, it was just that it seemed as though no matter what thread I went on, there was always someone having a go, taking the p*ss, pulling someone down, etc etc etc. Maybe I was unlucky in picking the wrong threads to read... ::)
I suppose it was probably unfair of me to put you in that list, but from my explanation I hope you can see why I did. Had I known it was going to cause as much upset as it has, I wouldn't have made the list full stop. But I was asked to - even though I didn't want to cause upset - so I, in some ways hastily, looking back on it, put down the names I always seemed to see involved, down. I hope I'm making myself clearer here, or am I making myself look stupid and an idiot? As I can see that some members might think I've been trying to cause trouble, and spouting my mouth without real reason for it. :-/ :-[ My reasons (and concerns) are genuine and I've tried to be sincere. But I guess its fair to say that my emotions have (probably) got the better of me. I've let my heart rule my head, so to speak.

Without repeating what I said in last nights posts too much, I was only sharing the opinions of several disgruntled TNMS members, and having decided to add my twopenn'orth worth to the debate, instead of leaving, I kind of feel like I've made it worse. :-/ :(

I know in most situations in life, you sometimes have to take two or three steps back, to take one step forward.
I might not have handled this the right way (I thought in my head I had, but my actions were probably different), but if I've helped to get TNMS back on track - even one wheel - then I'll be happy.

We all can't get on or agree all of the time, but please let's get on better than we have done recently. I know it's not everyone and to some folk it's storms in teacups, but no matter what the views of me or this debate are, let's keep TNMS away from the brink.

Steve, I genuinely look forward to having a pint with you at some point, so we can hopefully get to know each other better. My sincere apologises for not explaining myself better and for making you think you'd done more than you had. I regret this and I'm angry for not communicating my thought more accurately. :( :-[ :'(

Regards

Simon
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: NeilP on May 27, 2008, 20:30:52 pm
Stop apologising to the stunted monkey and just share a pint or two fcs.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 27, 2008, 20:36:40 pm
Quotei just find it utterly ridiculous that 4 /5 people out of whatever the membership is can have such an effect on people... ie they feel they either want to leave or that all they see is constant criticism, which is usually just an alternte point of view...


I see what you mean, I really do. I listed you guys as the guys who I more often than not saw doing what I said.
To be fair, most members know what you and Jonners are like when you get together, and most of the time you two are sooo funny, but occassionally (imo) you've stepped over the mark. I can see how people could be offended by what you too have said sometimes. Please don't be offended by that, I say it with good grace.
I'm not suggesting you've said this, but it has been said on this forum that if members can't take ridicule or criticism etc they should go elsewhere. For me that is totally unfair and arrogant. Yes, some folk are naturally too forthright in their views and I suppose you can't tell them off for that, but when you have people who are more sensitive than others etc, surely that person could use a little more tact when posting? Especially if they know that person is a little on the sensitive side. I don't think it's unfair to ask that some members use a bit more common sense when posting. :-/


Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 27, 2008, 20:37:18 pm
QuoteStop apologising to the stunted monkey and just share a pint or two fcs.


;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 27, 2008, 20:39:21 pm
I just thought of this:

We all make mistakes,

We don't have all the answers,

We are all humble.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fridge on May 27, 2008, 22:18:47 pm
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I'm not suggesting you've said this, but it has been said on this forum that if members can't take ridicule or criticism etc they should go elsewhere. For me that is totally unfair and arrogant. Yes, some folk are naturally too forthright in their views and I suppose you can't tell them off for that, but when you have people who are more sensitive than others etc, surely that person could use a little more tact when posting? Especially if they know that person is a little on the sensitive side. I don't think it's unfair to ask that some members use a bit more common sense when posting. :-/


Sorry, but with respect, that is utter bullshit.

I don't post here as much as I used to, but rest assured, Fishy and Jonners et al are certainly not the reason. in fact, their humour is one of the things that keeps this place interesting.

Face it, British humour has always had a bit of an "edge" to it, and I feel that if we adopt the approach you suggest then we will be just like certain forums across the pond. I'm not saying we are any better, but sarcastic banter is just a part of life here, it's unfortunate that you seem unduly sensitive to it. I'm sure Fishy will agree as a fellow Scot, if we are being nice to each other then something is wrong! :D

IMO, NO-ONE has the right not to be offended, and as long as whatever is said is not downright rascist, homophobic, or blatantly discriminatory, then anything goes.

It's only a messageboard FFS, either take it on the chin and laugh it off or give as good as you get....Personally, I can't remember seeing anything that I would class as malicious here.

Carry on.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Nick on May 27, 2008, 22:48:52 pm
Has Lee gone?
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Pudders on May 27, 2008, 23:01:13 pm
Quote

Sorry, but with respect, that is utter bullsh!t.

I don't post here as much as I used to, but rest assured, Fishy and Jonners et al are certainly not the reason. in fact, their humour is one of the things that keeps this place interesting.

Face it, British humour has always had a bit of an "edge" to it, and I feel that if we adopt the approach you suggest then we will be just like certain forums across the pond. I'm not saying we are any better, but sarcastic banter is just a part of life here, it's unfortunate that you seem unduly sensitive to it. I'm sure Fishy will agree as a fellow Scot, if we are being nice to each other then something is wrong! :D

IMO, NO-ONE has the right not to be offended, and as long as whatever is said is not downright rascist, homophobic, or blatantly discriminatory, then anything goes.

It's only a messageboard FFS, either take it on the chin and laugh it off or give as good as you get....Personally, I can't remember seeing anything that I would class as malicious here.

Carry on.


So tnms is subject to Natural Selection then - with only the strongest, fittest, thickest skinned, individuals remaining?

I think it was a more vibrant community when a larger cross section of people visited and posted regularly, but that's evolution for you, nothing stays the same for ever....... ;)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Fridge on May 27, 2008, 23:07:13 pm
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So tnms is subject to Natural Selection then - with only the strongest, fittest, thickest skinned, individuals remaining?

I think it was a more vibrant community when a larger cross section of people visited and posted regularly, but that's evolution for you, nothing stays the same for ever....... ;)


All fair points, but I did point out that as long as something was not racist, homophobic or outright hateful, then it should be ok. If it steps over the line, then thats why you guys are there, and can take steps.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, if someone is really that sensitive to what is typed in a virtual medium, then perhaps messageboards are not for them.

Anyway, this place is much nicer than other places on the net I could mention...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 27, 2008, 23:33:05 pm
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All fair points, but I did point out that as long as something was not racist, homophobic or outright hateful, then it should be ok. If it steps over the line, then thats why you guys are there, and can take steps.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, if someone is really that sensitive to what is typed in a virtual medium, then perhaps message boards are not for them.

Anyway, this place is much nicer than other places on the net I could mention...

::)

Have to agree totally, Paul.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 27, 2008, 23:38:09 pm
QuoteSorry, but with respect, that is utter bullsh!t.


Thanks I appreciate the respect. You're the first to give me some! ;)

QuoteI don't post here as much as I used to, but rest assured, Fishy and Jonners et al are certainly not the reason. in fact, their humour is one of the things that keeps this place interesting.

Face it, British humour has always had a bit of an "edge" to it, and I feel that if we adopt the approach you suggest then we will be just like certain forums across the pond. I'm not saying we are any better, but sarcastic banter is just a part of life here, it's unfortunate that you seem unduly sensitive to it.


I am a sensitive soul, I get that from my Mum, but when did I actually say that I was offended by or disliked Fishy's and Jonners humour? I've said a few times that they are funny guys and I personally love a dry, witty sense of humour. You've not met me, but trust me their humour is on a par with mine. But on occasion I think the two of them do step over the mark (remember Jonners naughty posts regarding homosexuals that got him a slapped wrist? I wasn't offended, but it was below the belt).
I'm sticking up for the ones who have been offended by them or other TNMS members. I've never said that I have been personally offended. All I've said is that I can see why people might take offence, not that I have... :-?

QuoteIMO, NO-ONE has the right not to be offended


I can't really agree with you, sorry. And this is why I say that: If someone is so deeply offended and upset by someones comments on here (that for arguments sake, brings them to tears) are you saying, "Tough, you've no right to 'NOT' be offended so dry your eyes and pull yourself together, you big jessie!"? If that's the case I find that very sad. Respect to you too, but I do. A very self-centred opinion in my book.
Of course if I've mis-quoted you then I take that back, but it does appear that way (to me).

QuoteIt's only a messageboard FFS, either take it on the chin and laugh it off or give as good as you get....Personally, I can't remember seeing anything that I would class as malicious here.

Carry on.


I do mate. :)
Again, I was only re-acting to all the things I'd seen recently and how tired I was of seeing members arguing etc. I can see how things look from the other side of the fence and how people can be offended, even if I'm not.

Is it wrong to not
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Chris Quartly on May 28, 2008, 00:13:56 am
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::)

Have to agree totally, Paul.


I'm going to respond to some of these posts in the morning but I am just staggered at Peter's use of an emoticon!
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Analog RH on May 28, 2008, 00:15:07 am
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I'm going to respond to some of these posts in the morning but I am just staggered at Peter's use of an emoticon!


Me too. Next thing he'll be staying up late of a night.......  ;) ;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: NeilP on May 28, 2008, 00:37:06 am
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I'm going to respond to some of these posts in the morning but I am just staggered at Peter's use of an emoticon!


monkey see monkey do
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Prince By-Tor on May 28, 2008, 02:20:37 am
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I'm going to respond to some of these posts in the morning


Well I won't be, sorry.

After seeing Bec's and Stewart's post regarding her uncle, it has made this debate seem so trivial and utterly pointless. I want no further part in it. Besides I've nothing more to add.

So, Steve (VT) if you want to respond to what I said in my reply to you, please send me a PM instead. I'd be glad to hear from you (but no probs if you feel it unnecessary). :)

I will not be looking into this thread again.

Oh, and for the record, I'm not leaving. You're stuck with me! ;)

Btw, call that a cop out if you wish, but what else am I supposed to say? How many times do I have to spell it? And besides, a little voice in my head (my dad - he talks to me a lot) has told me to leave it now. I've said my piece and I can't say anymore. Just think about poor Bec, and her family. Our thoughts and concerns should be with them. :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 28, 2008, 05:15:39 am
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Steve, I genuinely look forward to having a pint with you at some point, so we can hopefully get to know each other better. My sincere apologises for not explaining myself better and for making you think you'd done more than you had. I regret this and I'm angry for not communicating my thought more accurately. :( :-[ :'(

No need to apologise.
I can see you feel very strongly about TNMS' supposed demise as I was/am having the same feelings.
As I said, I'm saddened but not shocked that I made your "hitlist" but for you to be annoyed at me for being annoyed with Slim (even though you understand why I was annoyed) is a bit daft.
Always look forward to a pint with a fellow Rush fan (and to be fair with people who hate Rush as well ::))
I think you've put forward your reasons for your posts - in this thread in particular - quite well, for the record. Anyone can see how heartfelt it is and TNMS is a better place for having you here. That said, it's also a better place for having Jonners, Fishy, Slim, Breesey, me and even the nasty name caller, NeilP :o :-? ::)

So until our pint, cheers. [smiley=beer.gif]

VT
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 28, 2008, 07:17:27 am
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I'm going to respond to some of these posts in the morning but I am just staggered at Peter's use of an emoticon!


Now how the F**k did that happen. :-? No booze, :-X no extras ::),  or anything to blame. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Totally accidental, my flabber is ghasted. :-[

;D
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 28, 2008, 07:19:37 am
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(and to be fair with people who hate Rush as well ::))
VT



Glad to see I made your list, Steve...grins...
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 28, 2008, 07:21:22 am
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Oh, and for the record, I'm not leaving. You're stuck with me! ;)



Now that is good news...big smile....
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 28, 2008, 07:46:58 am
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Glad to see I made your list, Steve...grins...

Yep, I was specifically thinking of you there Peter. :)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 28, 2008, 08:56:24 am
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Yep, I was specifically thinking of you there Peter. :)



Aw, now you have embarrassed me :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 28, 2008, 09:04:21 am
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Aw, now you have embarrassed me :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[

Where normally you make a good success of that yourself.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Chris Quartly on May 28, 2008, 09:24:48 am
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All fair points, but I did point out that as long as something was not racist, homophobic or outright hateful, then it should be ok. If it steps over the line, then thats why you guys are there, and can take steps.

As has been pointed out elsewhere, if someone is really that sensitive to what is typed in a virtual medium, then perhaps messageboards are not for them.

Anyway, this place is much nicer than other places on the net I could mention...


Exactly, and I can't stress any more that this is how I feel about everything. I cannot (and will not) stop people posting unless something oversteps the mark, differences of opinion are just that.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 28, 2008, 10:01:51 am
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Where normally you make a good success of that yourself.



No wonder people leave because of your posts, I am now unconsolable :( :( :(
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: roadcrew on May 28, 2008, 10:03:58 am
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Exactly, and I can't stress any more that this is how I feel about everything. I cannot (and will not) stop people posting unless something oversteps the mark, differences of opinion are just that.


An expert piece of moderation, if I may say so, young Christophe ::) :P Damn, here they go again, bloody ::) ::).
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Vapor Trailer on May 28, 2008, 10:45:49 am
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No wonder people leave because of your posts, I am now unconsolable :( :( :(

Whoops. Sorry about that. I am trying to change my take the piss ways I promise. But its harder than I ever imagined. :-[
Please forgive me.
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 29, 2008, 16:37:17 pm
Quotethe perennial quest for the pedantic, and just the whole site changing for the worst

Missed that, it should be changing for the worse
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Chris Quartly on May 29, 2008, 16:41:26 pm
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Missed that, it should be changing for the worse


Don't forget the full stop. ;)
Title: Re: TNMS-Down The Drain
Post by: Nïckslïkk2112 on May 29, 2008, 17:07:55 pm
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Don't forget the full stop. ;)

I could get fed up of the pedantry exhibited on here......... ::) ;)