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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1005 on: April 20, 2017, 19:33:01 PM »
That's nice to know, https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit

I somehow doubt that any of the parties will have a return to EU membership in its manifesto - well possibly the Greens, but even the Lib Dims are paying lip service to the referendum result at the moment, albeit not in its proper spirit.

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1006 on: April 20, 2017, 23:15:38 PM »
That's nice to know, https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/20/european-parliament-will-welcome-britain-back-if-voters-veto-brexit
I see the Guardian is still holding out the begging bowl. It might be more successful if it told readers something they don't already know.

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1007 on: April 20, 2017, 23:58:31 PM »
I see the Guardian is still holding out the begging bowl. It might be more successful if it told readers something they don't already know.

Yes.  And some balance to the relentless turd-deluge of regressive hand-wringing.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1008 on: April 21, 2017, 12:53:54 PM »
John Redwood - dictionary definition of deluded (or clueless perhaps his name has a double meaning)


Check out @johnredwood's Tweet: https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/855363138820206592?s=09
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1009 on: April 21, 2017, 13:14:01 PM »
What's the "deluded" aspect,exactly, Dom? You seem to be saying that either:

1. You have to buy German or French cars, or that

2. There is not a good range of prices, models, specifications and/or prices from UK car factories.

Which of the above? Or both?

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1010 on: April 21, 2017, 13:16:44 PM »
This is the preceding tweet, and the context in which the tweet that Dom has linked for us is intended:



It's an excellent and rather apt point, isn't it?

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1011 on: April 21, 2017, 15:46:04 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/855373381860044800/photo/1


As repeatedly asked by Redwood's followers on Twitter; How many UK based and owned car manufacturers produce and assemble cars (in the UK) built with UK parts?
And Im not talking about hand built roadsters or high end sports cars

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1012 on: April 21, 2017, 16:32:04 PM »
This is the preceding tweet, and the context in which the tweet that Dom has linked for us is intended:



It's an excellent and rather apt point, isn't it?


To answer that point in isolation the foolish party here was the UK in choosing to leave the EU  and it's government in interpreting the vote as meaning the country had to leave the single market and the Customs union.


But Bisto answered the other part to this.  The fact that the UK car industry is so dependent on European manufacturers for parts and that WTO tariffs would cripple the way that industry works at the moment
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1013 on: April 21, 2017, 16:50:10 PM »
from the FT


 https://www.ft.com/content/c397f174-9205-11e6-a72e-b428cb934b78

 Before the new Bentley SUV purrs away from the showroom, its bumper will have already travelled 2,200 miles, crossing the English Channel three times. The luxury carmaker is owned by Volkswagen but based in Crewe in northern England, where VW invested heavily to upgrade a factory that dates from the second world war. But while the final assembly of each Bentley remains in Britain, the components that make up the cars are drawn from across the world and often zigzag back and forth between factories in the UK and the continent before arriving at Crewe. That leaves Bentley’s supply chain, in common with that of almost every other car manufacturer in Britain, at risk of being hit by tariffs if Britain leaves the European single market. Bumpers for some Bentley Bentaygas, for example, are made in Europe but then sent to Crewe for inspection before then going to Germany for specialist painting. After that, they return to the UK for final assembly.






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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1015 on: April 22, 2017, 15:24:30 PM »
More flip flop from the Donald

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/donald-trump-britain-back-queue-trade-deal-eu-angela-merkel-brexit-a7696376.html


Not a big surprise really considering the relative size of the economies. Common sense seems to work even  for Trump sometimes.
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1016 on: April 22, 2017, 16:28:34 PM »





Looks like leaving the EU (and the ECJ) is going to be pretty tricky.


Will the UK ever be properly rid?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-ministers-invincible-ignorance-european-court-sir-david-edward-theresa-may-a7656826.html

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1017 on: April 23, 2017, 15:16:31 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/brexit_sham/status/855373381860044800/photo/1


As repeatedly asked by Redwood's followers on Twitter; How many UK based and owned car manufacturers produce and assemble cars (in the UK) built with UK parts?
And Im not talking about hand built roadsters or high end sports cars

Yes, but John Redwood didn't refer to "UK-owned" manufacturers. The point that some parts are imported from abroad is a fair one, but the greatest part of the profit comes from the finished vehicle, reflecting the work and design, not this or that length of brake pipe or gearstick knob. In any case no UK-based manufacturer is dependent on Europe for these things. Steel can be imported from China, for example, as increasingly, it often is.

If it's no longer viable to send a Bentley to Germany for heat-treatment, they'll do it somewhere else! Perhaps even here, creating British jobs.

Redwood's point was widely misinterpreted of course, as the Left are prone to do.  He wasn't saying that everyone should go without European goods, just pointing out that they are in competition with UK-based goods in our domestic market.

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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1018 on: April 28, 2017, 17:42:06 PM »
Lower than forecast growth figures today, fuelled by the rise in inflation and inverse rise in wage growth casing consumer unease...

At least the pound is making up some ground against the dollar
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Re: Brexit watch
« Reply #1019 on: April 28, 2017, 19:39:11 PM »
Noticed this tweet earlier today:



Suggesting that it's possibly not really bad news? Honestly not sure myself.